Israel: Commandos seize huge Iranian arms shipment

[kylebisme]

Those "Iranian fighters" were leading Hezbollah attacks against Israel at the time -- and they're still doing the same today.

There were no Hezbollah attacks against Israel today, or for years now.

The truth is, there is NO moral justification for the war of aggression Iran has fought by proxy against Israel for several decades. None.

There is no logical justification for your denying the fact that the "proxies" you claim have legitimate grievances with Israel which Israel refuses to acknowledge.

Anyone that says Israel doesn't have the right to protect it's soverignty and it's citizens is pure batshit insane.
It's real simple.

Anyone who claims Israel is simply defending itself is pure batshit insane.

 

[JEDIYoda]

There were no Hezbollah attacks against Israel today, or for years now.


There is no logical justification for your denying the fact that the "proxies" you claim have legitimate grievances with Israel which Israel refuses to acknowledge.


Anyone who claims Israel is simply defending itself is pure batshit insane.

purely 100% comical stuff by the man who brought you the thread -- What brought down WTC7 -- need I say more concerning his credibility...arf arf arf....

 

[Freshgeardude]

I know how can you expect Hamas not to dig tunnels near the border when their enemies have towering guard posts and patrols all along it; because you are ridiculously biased in against Palestinians.


Rather, I responded by pointing out the absurdly of this claim, pointing out the fact that Hamas arrested people for firing on Israel, such as reported here. Granted, that ended on November 4, 2008 there, when Israel broke the true by reading Gaza and murdering six Hamas members, as I noted previously.


You are counting the rockets after Israel broke the cease fire on November 4, 2008 there. The numbers of rockets and mortar launches were only a tiny fraction of that total you quote, as noted in the Wiki link. Sure, Hamas wasn't able to stop every last one, but they did a far better job of it that Israel did when they were still internally occupying Gaza.

ok fine arguement about wiki, i checked on it.


You really are missing like 40 screws in your head though. "Sure, Hamas wasn't able to stop every last one, but they did a far better job of it that Israel did when they were still internally occupying Gaza."

far better =/= enough.

they didnt control their country hard enough.


minus illegal drugs being smuggled in professionally, do countries allow missiles, mortars and other offensive weapons to be brought into their country for the purpose of killing innocent men, women, and children and NOT have a preventative system or organization?

through their inaction, they are as much as to blame as the ones who press the launch button.

But sure, they like it anyways. they hate israel and get to attack it without trying to be responsible
Only except all attacks were by hamas and more people had a reason to fire after the Nov 4th incident.

 

[Lemon law]

Talking about having 80 screws loose and naked Bias, freshgeardude says, " But sure, they like it anyways. they hate israel and get to attack it without trying to be responsible
Only except all attacks were by hamas and more people had a reason to fire after the Nov 4th incident."
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Missing in action in this whole thing is that it takes two to tango, and Israel has not been responsible either. Maybe in some better world Israel would have been more fair, Israel has not been responsible since 1948, that the Arab and Palestinian side have not been responsible either dating from 1948 should also be duly noted, but as a result, we have a hell of a lot more of accumulated resulting unfairness.

Bottom line, without a restoration of fairness, if nothing else, the problems will not go away and we all should learn it and live it. And maybe it long past time to learn that the mid-east problems will not go away until some fair balance is restored. And blaming Hamas is foolish, they are a somewhat a Jonney come lately group, and if they make no progress, more radical groups will replace them.

This has been the one constant of the 61 year history of Israel. The real Israeli problem lies in the fact that technology is now favoring terrorists. Up until now Israeli has been able to hide behind their military hegemony to avoid taking responsibility for their share of the abuses, but sooner or later terrorist technology will start using chemical and biological weapons as the all sides blood bath potential may be realized
to to a still no solution avail.

Worse yet, all voices for moderation on all sides have been driven out of the political process, leaving only the extremists on all sides driving the agenda.

 

[Ozoned]

Talking about having 80 screws loose and naked Bias, freshgeardude says, " But sure, they like it anyways. they hate israel and get to attack it without trying to be responsible
Only except all attacks were by hamas and more people had a reason to fire after the Nov 4th incident."
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Missing in action in this whole thing is that it takes two to tango, and Israel has not been responsible either. Maybe in some better world Israel would have been more fair, Israel has not been responsible since 1948, that the Arab and Palestinian side have not been responsible either dating from 1948 should also be duly noted, but as a result, we have a hell of a lot more of accumulated resulting unfairness.

Bottom line, without a restoration of fairness, if nothing else, the problems will not go away and we all should learn it and live it. And maybe it long past time to learn that the mid-east problems will not go away until some fair balance is restored. And blaming Hamas is foolish, they are a somewhat a Jonney come lately group, and if they make no progress, more radical groups will replace them.

This has been the one constant of the 61 year history of Israel. The real Israeli problem lies in the fact that technology is now favoring terrorists. Up until now Israeli has been able to hide behind their military hegemony to avoid taking responsibility for their share of the abuses, but sooner or later terrorist technology will start using chemical and biological weapons as the all sides blood bath potential may be realized
to to a still no solution avail.

Worse yet, all voices for moderation on all sides have been driven out of the political process, leaving only the extremists on all sides driving the agenda.

History would disagree with your rather complex view of such a simple issue. Balance is subjective and peace is defined by the group that is strong enough to completely destroy those that oppose it. Israels problem is that it is not strong enough to do the defining.

 

[kylebisme]

far better =/= enough.

they didnt control their country hard enough.

If you demand perfection, you are bound to be disspointed. Is that your intent?

minus illegal drugs being smuggled in professionally, do countries allow missiles, mortars and other offensive weapons to be brought into their country...

Weapons aren't any harder to smuggle than drugs, it's just a matter of what the economy demands, and defenseless people being strangled under blockade in an open air prison while the rest of their homeland is being colonized out from under them want weapons.

...for the purpose of killing innocent men, women, and children and NOT have a preventative system or organization?

through their inaction, they are as much as to blame as the ones who press the launch button.

Again, Hamas prevented far better than Israel did when they were taking on the task themselves, which exposes your claims of "inaction" as absurd.

But sure, they like it anyways. they hate israel and get to attack it without trying to be responsible

Israel attacks and kills far more Palestinians civilians than the other way around; which leaves Israel, and you, so obviously not in any position to be criticizing others about responsibility or hate.

Only except all attacks were by hamas and more people had a reason to fire after the Nov 4th incident.

Rather, as the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Center explains:

A period of relative quiet between June 19 and November 4 : As of June 19, there was a marked reduction in the extent of attacks on the western Negev population. The lull was sporadically violated by rocket and mortar shell fire, carried out by rogue terrorist organizations, in some instance in defiance of Hamas (especially by Fatah and Al-Qaeda supporters). Hamas was careful to maintain the ceasefire.

Again, that was right up until the point Israel raided Gaza and murdered six Hamas members, at which point Hamas rightly considered the truce void.

 

[JEDIYoda]

History would disagree with your rather complex view of such a simple issue. Balance is subjective and peace is defined by the group that is strong enough to completely destroy those that oppose it. Israels problem is that it is not strong enough to do the defining.

actually Israel is strong enough to do the defining if need be......
But can you even imagine the utter resentment and hostility as well as possibly the whole world agreeing to go to war against Israel if it did the defining?????

There are very real reasons why israel is not doing the defining and none of the have anything to do with israel not being able to do the defining!

You really have no clue what Israel is capable of if backed into a corner...

 

[DanDaManJC]

Yup. When Israel carpet bombs civilians it's ok. When Hezbollah does it, they're terrorists.

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[Jhhnn]

History would disagree with your rather complex view of such a simple issue. Balance is subjective and peace is defined by the group that is strong enough to completely destroy those that oppose it. Israels problem is that it is not strong enough to do the defining.

So, uhh, the Israelis would just move on to the "Final Solution" if they were strong enough? I don't doubt you're right, not at all...

 

[TheSkinsFan]

And Iran has never attacked Israel, period. By proxy, both sides have attacked each other. You really should read up more on the Lebanese civil war before mouthing off as if Israel, or Iran, is innocent.

Killing Iran's Terrorism Liaison Officers in Lebanon doesn't count.

So... Exactly when, or by which proxy, has Israel attacked the country of Iran itself?

 

[event8horizon]

You really have no clue what Israel is capable of if backed into a corner...

are you mossad? how would you know? but if you are mossad then i guess we can predict your actions according to your motto "by way of deception thou shalt do war."

and from the army study group about the mossad:

U.S. troops would enforce peace under Army study

By Rowan Scarborough
The Washington Times
Page A1, Second Edition

September 10, 2001

"An elite U.S. Army study center has devised a plan for enforcing a major Israeli-Palestinian peace accord that would require about 20,000 well-armed troops stationed throughout Israel and a newly created Palestinian state."
....
"Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."


and when your leaders say crap like this, it makes one wonder about cui bono???

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

then another yrs later:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel

"The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel."

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There's an easy solution to all this. Rig the containers and send them back to their point of origin with a big "Happy Ramadan!"

When opened, they all go off at once. Consider it a big party favor.

I have no doubt that after all this time both sides have done things which are wrong, however Israel has endured the brunt of the attacks.

If it happened to us, the same people who are crying in their beer about poor Hezbollah would be screaming for blood.

Israel is the only pro US country in that region, and considering that they have the capability to erase their opposition at a moments notice and have not, it seems they have been the ones who have shown restraint over time.

The pusses here who whine about them would have pushed the button a long time ago if the situation was reversed.

 

[Red Dawn]

There's an easy solution to all this. Rig the containers and send them back to their point of origin with a big "Happy Ramadan!"

When opened, they all go off at once. Consider it a big party favor.

I have no doubt that after all this time both sides have done things which are wrong, however Israel has endured the brunt of the attacks.

If it happened to us, the same people who are crying in their beer about poor Hezbollah would be screaming for blood.

Israel is the only pro US country in that region, and considering that they have the capability to erase their opposition at a moments notice and have not, it seems they have been the ones who have shown restraint over time.

The pusses here who whine about them would have pushed the button a long time ago if the situation was reversed.

Israel is friendly to us because it suits their purpose. I have no doubt that they'd screw us over if they felt it was in their best interest. Friends in need are friends indeed.

That said I don't blame them for trying to protect themselves.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Israel is friendly to us because it suits their purpose. I have no doubt that they'd screw us over if they felt it was in their best interest. Friends in need are friends indeed.

That said I don't blame them for trying to protect themselves.

I can't recall the exact quote, but someone said that nations don't have friends, but common interests. That's always been true, however some are more likely to be actively searching for new partners. Nevertheless, it's hard to imagine with the reality we have today that the US/Israel relationship will change.

It's unfortunate because immediately after 9/11 we had a chance to reconcile with Iran and once upon a time Jews were accepted in society. Iran was the only country in that region which had rallies in support of the US after the WTC went down. We could have brokered a peaceful relationship between Iran and Israel with a decent chance of pulling it off.

The dynamic would have completely changed for the better, but we had leadership who thought diplomacy was using a smaller poleaxe.

Spilt milk I suppose.

Since all choices are evil, we'll have to deal with what works in our favor.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Israel is friendly to us because it suits their purpose. I have no doubt that they'd screw us over if they felt it was in their best interest. Friends in need are friends indeed.

That said I don't blame them for trying to protect themselves.

I have always said that Israel does NOT need us to suervive as a nation!

But there is truth in the fact that it is in our best interest to have Israel as a allie and friend!!
What you forget is that in the world of international politics friends screw friends over if it is in their best interest. That`s just the hard cold reality of it all.

 

[Red Dawn]

I have always said that Israel does NOT need us to suervive as a nation!

But there is truth in the fact that it is in our best interest to have Israel as a allie and friend!!
What you forget is that in the world of international politics friends screw friends over if it is in their best interest. That`s just the hard cold reality of it all.

Actually it would in our best interest to have all the other nations in the region as our friend and allies but alas that's not going to happen soon, especially with our undying support of Israel.

 

[kylebisme]

...Israel has endured the brunt of the attacks.

Could you please explain how you came to this conclusion?

That said I don't blame them for trying to protect themselves.

Do you not blame Israel for killing off Palestinians while holding them under overwhelming military force and colonizing their homeland out from under them either?

Iran was the only country in that region which had rallies in support of the US after the WTC went down.

Was there any other country in the world which had such massive rallies?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Actually it would in our best interest to have all the other nations in the region as our friend and allies but alas that's not going to happen soon, especially with our undying support of Israel.

I agree totally.....another reason that will not happen is because we are not advanced enough as a civilization to live and let live.....at present there is noway all party could be our friends...or as I like what somebody else said---
I can't recall the exact quote, but someone said that nations don't have friends, but common interests. That's always been true, however some are more likely to be actively searching for new partners. Nevertheless, it's hard to imagine with the reality we have today that the US/Israel relationship will change.

You would think we all should have common interests....

 

[Red Dawn]

Do you not blame Israel for killing off Palestinians while holding them under overwhelming military force and colonizing their homeland out from under them either?

I don't blame them for intercepting this arms shipment, you know, what this topic is about?

 

[JEDIYoda]

are you mossad? how would you know? but if you are mossad then i guess we can predict your actions according to your motto "by way of deception thou shalt do war."

and from the army study group about the mossad:

U.S. troops would enforce peace under Army study

By Rowan Scarborough
The Washington Times
Page A1, Second Edition

September 10, 2001

"An elite U.S. Army study center has devised a plan for enforcing a major Israeli-Palestinian peace accord that would require about 20,000 well-armed troops stationed throughout Israel and a newly created Palestinian state."
....
"Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."


and when your leaders say crap like this, it makes one wonder about cui bono???

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

then another yrs later:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel

"The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel."

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."

It matters not how I know, i will tell you that if it ever came down to the Israeli`s being forced to make a choice between survival or extinction......they would survive....

 

[kylebisme]

I don't blame them for intercepting this arms shipment, you know, what this topic is about?

I know the post you were responding to was speaking in far more general terms. If you insist on suggesting respecting that context is hysterical, you are either being a moron or a fraud. Either way, your are acting like a dipshit.

 

[event8horizon]

It matters not how I know, i will tell you that if it ever came down to the Israeli`s being forced to make a choice between survival or extinction......they would survive....

i think the world knows you guys have nukes if that is what you are talking about......

 

[Ozoned]

Do you not blame Israel for killing off Palestinians while holding them under overwhelming military force and colonizing their homeland out from under them either?

There is no Arab Palestinian homeland, unless you want to take a look at Jordan. I'm pretty sure that Israel is not colonizing that.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yup. When Israel carpet bombs civilians it's ok. When Hezbollah does it, they're terrorists.

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When Hezbollah separates themselves from those civilians then you may complain. If the opponent forces there to be causalities then you had damn well ensure those casualties are not on your side of the fence and that they suffer for their choice of tactics.

That you would reward terrorism with moral equality is to enable and support it. Your ideology gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

 

[kylebisme]

There is no Arab Palestinian homeland, unless you want to take a look at Jordan. I'm pretty sure that Israel is not colonizing that.

Much of Jordan's population are Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from what is now Israel or descendants thereof, Jordan's queen included. Regardless, there are millions of Palestinians living in the West Bank as Israel continues to expanding their colonization of that same territory. How do you figure that is not their homeland?