Israel: Commandos seize huge Iranian arms shipment

[TastesLikeChicken]

Too bad somebody doesn't seize US arms shipments headed for Israel.

What a lousy comparison. Since when is Hezbollah a sovereign country?

It's good to see Iran finally being caught red handed arming their Lebanese puppets, though no doubt our resident Iranian apologists in here will claim it was a setup.

 

[CitizenKain]

I'm sure these "weapons" would be used for defensive purposes, just as they have in the past. I think Israel should deliver the weapons to hezbollah-from about 10,000 feet.

Yea, maybe they can find a school that is still standing.

 

[Brovane]

What a lousy comparison. Since when is Hezbollah a sovereign country?

It's good to see Iran finally being caught red handed arming their Lebanese puppets, though no doubt our resident Iranian apologists in here will claim it was a setup.

Well Syria is already claiming that there was no weapons on the ship. So I suspect that Iran will do the same.

 

[Lemon law]

From the original link I saw psoted before this thread, the papers on the shipment are dubious at best, and Cyprus is a long way from Lebanon.

And even if we assume that Hezzbollah ultimate intended destination of the of the Israeli seized arms shipment, it still probably follows the 10% rule of all international smuggling, namely for every item caught, it all probability, 10X that amount gets through.

As it is and dating before the the 2005 Israeli incursion into Lebanon, it was quite apparent that Hezzbollah already had huge stores of cached materials, Hezzbollah used only a fraction of them in 2005, and basically none since. And since Hezzbollah have not surrendered any weapons either, we can only assume that Hezzbollah is adding to their arms caches on a regular basis.

In other words what is new in the entire 61 year existence of the State of Israeli? The harder Israeli tries to repress the anti Israeli terrorists dedicated to defending themselves from Israeli military terrorism, all sides bides their time and rearms during lulls in violence.

As it is, in terms of violence potential, it would be far more worrying if the end destination of the intercepted shipments was the West Bank or Gaza. Other breaking news is that Hamas now has longer range rockets. And with Abbas, one of the last Palestinian voices of moderation declining to run for reelection, and Israel still pushing to expand settlements, the mid-east Violence potential continues to rise.

And until some meaningful peace settlement happens, its just going to be more of the same in the Mid-east, in never ending cycles of violence.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Well Syria is already claiming that there was no weapons on the ship. So I suspect that Iran will do the same.

lol. No doubt those were weapons mockups merely meant to be used as play-toys by Hezbollah children.

 

[lupi]

From the original link I saw psoted before this thread, the papers on the shipment are dubious at best, and Cyprus is a long way from Lebanon.

And even if we assume that Hezzbollah ultimate intended destination of the of the Israeli seized arms shipment, it still probably follows the 10% rule of all international smuggling, namely for every item caught, it all probability, 10X that amount gets through.

As it is and dating before the the 2005 Israeli incursion into Lebanon, it was quite apparent that Hezzbollah already had huge stores of cached materials, Hezzbollah used only a fraction of them in 2005, and basically none since. And since Hezzbollah have not surrendered any weapons either, we can only assume that Hezzbollah is adding to their arms caches on a regular basis.

In other words what is new in the entire 61 year existence of the State of Israeli? The harder Israeli tries to repress the anti Israeli terrorists dedicated to defending themselves from Israeli military terrorism, all sides bides their time and rearms during lulls in violence.

As it is, in terms of violence potential, it would be far more worrying if the end destination of the intercepted shipments was the West Bank or Gaza. Other breaking news is that Hamas now has longer range rockets. And with Abbas, one of the last Palestinian voices of moderation declining to run for reelection, and Israel still pushing to expand settlements, the mid-east Violence potential continues to rise.

And until some meaningful peace settlement happens, its just going to be more of the same in the Mid-east, in never ending cycles of violence.

yeah it's real far away, just about as far as the average width of the english channel. you probably couldn't even swim it or something.

 

[kylebisme]

When was the last time that Israel instigated a conflict with Hamas or Hezbollah.

November 4, 2008, when Israel broke their truce with Hamas by raiding Gaza and killing six Hamas members, as I've explained to you many times before.

Do you really honestly think Israel is only reacting when provoked and that only Hamas and their ilk instigate?

I've yet to see even a hint of honesty from him in regard to Israel.

 

[Freshgeardude]

November 4, 2008, when Israel broke their truce with Hamas by raiding Gaza and killing six Hamas members, as I've explained to you many times before.


I've yet to see even a hint of honesty from him in regard to Israel.

stop trying to repeat your bullshit.

the november 4th, 2008 attack on hamas was after a tunnel was discovered going into Israeli territory in an attempt to kidnap a soldier.


Secondly, and more importantly, hamas broke the truce way before this when they either A. launched missiles or B. allowed people in their own territory to launch missiles into israel.

 

[kylebisme]

the november 4th, 2008 attack on hamas was after a tunnel was discovered going into Israeli territory...

Rather, as the article I linked explains, the tunnel was in Gaza, 250m away from the border to Israel.

Secondly, and more importantly, hamas broke the truce way before this when they either A. launched missiles or B. allowed people in their own territory to launch missiles into israel.

I'd ask you to cite sources to prove your claims, but I know they have no basis in reality.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freshgeardude
the november 4th, 2008 attack on hamas was after a tunnel was discovered going into Israeli territory...

Rather, as the article I linked explains, the tunnel was in Gaza, 250m away from the border to Israel.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Freshgeardude
Secondly, and more importantly, hamas broke the truce way before this when they either A. launched missiles or B. allowed people in their own territory to launch missiles into israel.

I'd ask you to cite sources to prove your claims, but I know they have no basis in reality.

Of course you would ask him to cite his source.....thats the same way way you defend your not being able to use your own math when discussing WTC7....cite your source...rofl...

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta love it. Hamas is supposed to "control" their population, even though the Israelis routinely destroy their infrastructure- public facilities of all kinds, including law enforcement, power, water, communications, sanitation, you name it.

And it's not like the Israelis do a good job of "controlling" their own agitators, the settlers...

Following the Israeli line of reasoning, if renegade Mexican nationalists fired rockets across the southern US border, we'd have every right to blast all of Mexico back to the stone age, annex more of their territory, too...

The sad truth is that Zionists have exploited the Holocaust to wreak something similar on the Palestinians- they just haven't come to a "Final Solution". Not yet, anyway. And they still shame the US into acquiescence, using the generational guilt of our anti-semitic forebearers to do it.

 

[Red Irish]

Gotta love it. Hamas is supposed to "control" their population, even though the Israelis routinely destroy their infrastructure- public facilities of all kinds, including law enforcement, power, water, communications, sanitation, you name it.

And it's not like the Israelis do a good job of "controlling" their own agitators, the settlers...

Following the Israeli line of reasoning, if renegade Mexican nationalists fired rockets across the southern US border, we'd have every right to blast all of Mexico back to the stone age, annex more of their territory, too...

The sad truth is that Zionists have exploited the Holocaust to wreak something similar on the Palestinians- they just haven't come to a "Final Solution". Not yet, anyway. And they still shame the US into acquiescence, using the generational guilt of our anti-semitic forebearers to do it.

Indeed

 

[Painman]

Gotta love it. Hamas is supposed to "control" their population, even though the Israelis routinely destroy their infrastructure- public facilities of all kinds, including law enforcement, power, water, communications, sanitation, you name it.

And it's not like the Israelis do a good job of "controlling" their own agitators, the settlers...

Following the Israeli line of reasoning, if renegade Mexican nationalists fired rockets across the southern US border, we'd have every right to blast all of Mexico back to the stone age, annex more of their territory, too...

The sad truth is that Zionists have exploited the Holocaust to wreak something similar on the Palestinians- they just haven't come to a "Final Solution". Not yet, anyway. And they still shame the US into acquiescence, using the generational guilt of our anti-semitic forebearers to do it.

Harsh post, but hey. Far right Israeli nationalism is as hateful as anything else out there.

I wish I had a choice about sending my grandkids' tax moneys to Israel. I'd prefer to opt out. I don't wish to fuel ancient and anachronistic bloodfeuds. It tends to get tall buildings on US teritory blown up by way of hijacked jetliners.

(I'm not saying that 9/11 had anything to do directly with the I/P mattter. That was more of a "Crusaders occupying the Holy Land" sort of matter.)

 

[Freshgeardude]

(I'm not saying that 9/11 had anything to do directly with the I/P mattter. That was more of a "Crusaders occupying the Holy Land" sort of matter.)

So you think the attacks of 9/11 were because jewish people were living in Israel? you are retarded

 

[Freshgeardude]

Rather, as the article I linked explains, the tunnel was in Gaza, 250m away from the border to Israel.


I'd ask you to cite sources to prove your claims, but I know they have no basis in reality.

so israel caught them before they could do any damage. what in the hell do you expect to happen when your enemy is digging a tunnel relatively close to your border.

second paragraph: I have already proved myself plenty of times before. we had this discussion and I dont need to go digging up stuff so you can try and deny it some more.

What I do remember from that arguement before you just stop responding to it was that Hamas wasnt stopping people in its territory from launching. They werent to blame for the actual launch, but the inaction of securing the border or arresting those who launched it makes them just as bad.


and 2 seconds of google provides

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks_in_Israel_in_2008

December 19The cease fire agreement ends (See: 2008 Israel–Hamas ceasefire). During the six month cease fire 329 rockets and mortar shells were fired. For the six months prior to the truce 2278 rockets and mortars were fired into Israel

 

[TheSkinsFan]

What is Iran's excuse for consistently attacking Israel for decades? Has Israel, or a proxy thereof, ever attacked Iran? Inquiring minds want to know.

*crickets*

 

[JEDIYoda]

Harsh post, but hey. Far right Israeli nationalism is as hateful as anything else out there.

I wish I had a choice about sending my grandkids' tax moneys to Israel. I'd prefer to opt out. I don't wish to fuel ancient and anachronistic bloodfeuds. It tends to get tall buildings on US teritory blown up by way of hijacked jetliners.

(I'm not saying that 9/11 had anything to do directly with the I/P mattter. That was more of a "Crusaders occupying the Holy Land" sort of matter.)

dude your thinking borders on being as goofy and idiotic as Kylebisme`s thinking!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Gotta love it. Hamas is supposed to "control" their population, even though the Israelis routinely destroy their infrastructure- public facilities of all kinds, including law enforcement, power, water, communications, sanitation, you name it.

And it's not like the Israelis do a good job of "controlling" their own agitators, the settlers...

Following the Israeli line of reasoning, if renegade Mexican nationalists fired rockets across the southern US border, we'd have every right to blast all of Mexico back to the stone age, annex more of their territory, too...

The sad truth is that Zionists have exploited the Holocaust to wreak something similar on the Palestinians- they just haven't come to a "Final Solution". Not yet, anyway. And they still shame the US into acquiescence, using the generational guilt of our anti-semitic forebearers to do it.

The sad truth is not as you stated...the real honest truth of the matter is the US stands with Israel because they are our friend and an allie and the cause of the Israeli`s is just!!

You on the other hand do not understand at all the situation in the middle east, other than your one sided attempt to lump all the problems in the middle east on israel!!

 

[Dari]

*crickets*

Israel was a major ally of the Shah of Iran.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Israel was a major ally of the Shah of Iran.

Well gee, that justifies everything.

Has Israel ever violently attacked Iran directly, or even by proxy?

 

[Dari]

Well gee, that justifies everything.

Has Israel ever violently attacked Iran directly, or even by proxy?

That means they were complicit, along with the US, in undermining the will of the Iranian people.

And, yes, Israel has violently attacked Iran. Iranian fighters were stationed in Lebanon and Syria when Israel would attack those nations.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

That means they were complicit, along with the US, in undermining the will of the Iranian people.

And, yes, Israel has violently attacked Iran. Iranian fighters were stationed in Lebanon and Syria when Israel would attack those nations.

That's a weak fucking answer and you damn well know it. Those "Iranian fighters" were leading Hezbollah attacks against Israel at the time -- and they're still doing the same today.

Israel has never attacked Iran. Period.

The truth is, there is NO moral justification for the war of aggression Iran has fought by proxy against Israel for several decades. None.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm sure these "weapons" would be used for defensive purposes, just as they have in the past. I think Israel should deliver the weapons to hezbollah-from about 10,000 feet.

Israel - "Hey Hamas, Hizbolalala, we have decided to arm you guys so you can have a fair fight with us. We are dropping some munitions for you to use and mount onto your aircraft. Oh I forgot to mention, they're live armed and headed your way right now."

Israel= Soverign nation. Hamas, Hizbolalalala terrorist organizations. Anyone that says Israel doesn't have the right to protect it's soverignty and it's citizens is pure batshit insane.
It's real simple. Don't harbor terrorists and don't provide them safe haven and your home won't get blown up. The only people you have to blame are the terrorists themselves.

 

[Dari]

That's a weak fucking answer and you damn well know it. Those "Iranian fighters" were leading Hezbollah attacks against Israel at the time -- and they're still doing the same today.

Israel has never attacked Iran. Period.

The truth is, there is NO moral justification for the war of aggression Iran has fought by proxy against Israel for several decades. None.

And Iran has never attacked Israel, period. By proxy, both sides have attacked each other. You really should read up more on the Lebanese civil war before mouthing off as if Israel, or Iran, is innocent.

 

[kylebisme]

so israel caught them before they could do any damage. what in the hell do you expect to happen when your enemy is digging a tunnel relatively close to your border.

I know how can you expect Hamas not to dig tunnels near the border when their enemies have towering guard posts and patrols all along it; because you are ridiculously biased in against Palestinians.

What I do remember from that arguement before you just stop responding to it was that Hamas wasnt stopping people in its territory from launching. They werent to blame for the actual launch, but the inaction of securing the border or arresting those who launched it makes them just as bad.

Rather, I responded by pointing out the absurdly of this claim, pointing out the fact that Hamas arrested people for firing on Israel, such as reported here. Granted, that ended on November 4, 2008 there, when Israel broke the true by reading Gaza and murdering six Hamas members, as I noted previously.

and 2 seconds of google provides
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks_in_Israel_in_2008

December 19The cease fire agreement ends (See: 2008 Israel–Hamas ceasefire). During the six month cease fire 329 rockets and mortar shells were fired. For the six months prior to the truce 2278 rockets and mortars were fired into Israel

You are counting the rockets after Israel broke the cease fire on November 4, 2008 there. The numbers of rockets and mortar launches were only a tiny fraction of that total you quote, as noted in the Wiki link. Sure, Hamas wasn't able to stop every last one, but they did a far better job of it that Israel did when they were still internally occupying Gaza.