Islamic Sharia law arrives in Libya! Yay for the "Arab Spring".

[fskimospy]

Too bad that excuse didn't work for Bush (either one) when dealing with Saddam. How the left shit all over that decision. Do nothing was the mantra of some then.

I'm not sure how on earth you are equating the invasion of Iraq with what happened in Libya. Like, I seriously can't imagine how they are in any way similar as to the choices presented to US leadership.

Maybe you can explain your thought process, because I'm just lost.

 

[HumblePie]

I'm not sure how on earth you are equating the invasion of Iraq with what happened in Libya. Like, I seriously can't imagine how they are in any way similar as to the choices presented to US leadership.

Maybe you can explain your thought process, because I'm just lost.

^ This....

Iraq's people were not in a civil war with the government. Yes some of them were fighting, but the vast majority of the population and government was not fighting with itself. They were wanting to fight with neighbors that happen to be our allies and did so at one point (Gulf War), but nothing had been going on in a long time.

So instead of going after the perps of 9/11, Bush decided to finish what his Daddy started and create a war with Iraq for no good reason. THAT is why people do not like Dubya and never will. He was a shitty president just for that one reason alone.

 

[peonyu]

We did cause this to happen, without NATO the rebels would have lost. Hell they were losing in April and they were only a day or 2 away from Benghazi being over run and wiped out.

So Sharia law in Libya = thanks Obama! Without your aid this would not have happened!

 

[Throckmorton]

The culture is pretty similar. Very powerful religious belief, patriarchal, low literacy rates, low industrialization rates, low GDP, no democratic values, rejection of individualism, rule of force, lies and deception.
This description holds true from Libya in the west to Iraq in the east.

Maybe you are correct and they are ripe for democracy and human values. I say there will be none. The like their culture, not yours.

At first I thought you were making a comparison to the Deep South.

 

[Nebor]

We did cause this to happen, without NATO the rebels would have lost. Hell they were losing in April and they were only a day or 2 away from Benghazi being over run and wiped out.

So Sharia law in Libya = thanks Obama! Without your aid this would not have happened!

Very true. The rebels were being crushed before we started slamming the Libyan Army with air power. We never should have gotten involved. The devil you know and all.

 

[Dari]

Is there supposed to be something wrong with this? Maybe they don't want a liberal democracy. Not everyone wants that.

 

[sandorski]

Is there supposed to be something wrong with this? Maybe they don't want a liberal democracy. Not everyone wants that.

Sounds familiar, lol.

 

[a777pilot]

Is there supposed to be something wrong with this? Maybe they don't want a liberal democracy. Not everyone wants that.

You bet. Most muslims want to be ruled and totally controlled by old mullahs.

 

[SolMiester]

What I find staggering is many many Muslims are not happy in their own countries....

They're not happy in Gaza.
They're not happy in Egypt.
They're not happy in Libya.
They're not happy in Morocco.
They're not happy in Iran.
They're not happy in Iraq.
They're not happy in Yemen.
They're not happy in Afghanistan.
They're not happy in Pakistan.
They're not happy in Syria.
They're not happy in Lebanon.

So, where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia.
They're happy in England.
They're happy in France.
They're happy in Italy.
They're happy in Germany.
They're happy in Sweden.
They're happy in the USA.
They're happy in Norway.
Don't forget Canada!

They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

Do I have this wrong?

 

[sandorski]

What I find staggering is many many Muslims are not happy in their own countries....

They're not happy in Gaza.
They're not happy in Egypt.
They're not happy in Libya.
They're not happy in Morocco.
They're not happy in Iran.
They're not happy in Iraq.
They're not happy in Yemen.
They're not happy in Afghanistan.
They're not happy in Pakistan.
They're not happy in Syria.
They're not happy in Lebanon.

So, where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia.
They're happy in England.
They're happy in France.
They're happy in Italy.
They're happy in Germany.
They're happy in Sweden.
They're happy in the USA.
They're happy in Norway.
Don't forget Canada!

They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

Do I have this wrong?

Yes, you have it wrong. More accurately, you are seeing it in a skewed way.

 

[lothar]

It wasn't possible politically in America to do nothing. Imagine what the internal reaction would have been if Obama allowed the Lockerbie Bomber to slaughter thousands and thousands of people fighting for freedom against an oppressive dictator.

At the time I thought the air campaign was the best bet out of a set of terrible options for the US, and I stand by that one. (it did work out considerably better than I thought it would have from a military standpoint however)

Nothing is impossible.
We did absolutely nothing in Tunisia and Egypt, so I don't see why doing nothing here again is impossible.

The Lockerbie bomber that has metastatic prostate cancer which he is about to croak soon?
The same Lockerbie bomber that the "Rebels" of the TNC has said they will allow him to do whatever the heck he wants and won't deport or extradite him to the US?
We are talking about the same bomber, right?
Sorry, it's hard for me to imagine a 60 year old with metastatic prostate cancer leading a terrorist operation.
Even harder is for me to imagine that these "Rebels" would deport or extradite him to the US if we support them by conducting an air bombardment campaign.

Syrian dictator Assad has killed more people than Gaddafi has ever killed.
I would rather live under Mourmar Gaddafi's rule in Libya than to live under Assad in Syria any day of the week.

 

[bfdd]

Wow, one newspaper article with one quote that Libya is going to use the same basis for their law as basically every other Arab country in the region, including many states without repressive religious dictators and we're already mired in despotism!

For example, did you know that Iraq's constitution contains the same explicit provision that Islamic law is the law of the land, and that no law may contradict it? Do you believe Iraq to be currently run by repressive, religious dictators?

Christ, people. Jump to conclusions much?

or you know some of us have been calling this, with specifics to Libya, for awhile. Islamists were the big push against Gaddaffi, but so many of you bright eyed fools ignored it because you wanted to feel all warm inside "helping" someone.

 

[sandorski]

or you know some of us have been calling this, with specifics to Libya, for awhile. Islamists were the big push against Gaddaffi, but so many of you bright eyed fools ignored it because you wanted to feel all warm inside "helping" someone.

The People have the Right.

 

[bfdd]

The People have the Right.

what people
? the Libyan people? you thunk to muc of the rebels. they don't even have this kind of support atnhome ffs. fools dknt even have half the population behind them, they just wanted a rebellion and like idiots we helped them.

 

[sandorski]

what people
? the Libyan people? you thunk to muc of the rebels. they don't even have this kind of support atnhome ffs. fools dknt even have half the population behind them, they just wanted a rebellion and like idiots we helped them.

Approx 30% supported the American Revolution.

 

[bfdd]

Approx 30% supported the American Revolution.

and many people think the united states is a bad idea.

 

[sandorski]

and many people think the united states is a bad idea.

...and...

 

[peonyu]

or you know some of us have been calling this, with specifics to Libya, for awhile. Islamists were the big push against Gaddaffi, but so many of you bright eyed fools ignored it because you wanted to feel all warm inside "helping" someone.

Only fools were fooled, or people who are so politically correct that they refuse to say that Red is a different color from green. Just taking 1 glance at the wankers who made up the ranks of the "rebel" army and it was obvious that the rebels are all from the armpit of Libyan society. They are uneducated fanatics who were schooled in 1 thing {Islam}, and ask anyone who can speak arabic and the words they spray painted on their {US bought} vehicles are all Jihad phrases, praising Islam etc. That really speaks volumes for the "Democracy" the terrorist/rebels had in mind for Libya from day 1.

 

[peonyu]

Very true. The rebels were being crushed before we started slamming the Libyan Army with air power. We never should have gotten involved. The devil you know and all.

The rebels even needed NATO help just to get Gadaffi a few days ago, look at the pics of the NATO bombardment of his convoy. Its a mile wide destruction of vehicles, then the Rebels move in and claim victory without having to fight much at all. The Rebels have had their victories repeatedly handed to them by NATO throughout the entire so-called civil war in the same fashion [Tripoli was NATO bombed to hell and back for half a year aswell].

 

[fskimospy]

or you know some of us have been calling this, with specifics to Libya, for awhile. Islamists were the big push against Gaddaffi, but so many of you bright eyed fools ignored it because you wanted to feel all warm inside "helping" someone.

Oh really? I wrote a number of posts on Libya when it was first happening, please go find some of them and show me how I wanted to feel 'all warm inside for helping someone'. I'll be waiting!

I've said it before, I'll say it again. You guys are just perpetual outrage machines with buttons for a few major issues. Any mention of them and you go from zero to sputtering rage in an instant. Nobody knows how Libya is going to turn out right now. Nobody. But hey, an important politician wants to base the laws of the nation off of sharia... just like most other nations in the region.

BETTER FREAK OUT.

 

[CitizenKain]

Too bad that excuse didn't work for Bush (either one) when dealing with Saddam. How the left shit all over that decision. Do nothing was the mantra of some then.

Its funny when dumb people try to re-write history, tell us more.

 

[CitizenKain]

Oh really? I wrote a number of posts on Libya when it was first happening, please go find some of them and show me how I wanted to feel 'all warm inside for helping someone'. I'll be waiting!

I've said it before, I'll say it again. You guys are just perpetual outrage machines with buttons for a few major issues. Any mention of them and you go from zero to sputtering rage in an instant. Nobody knows how Libya is going to turn out right now. Nobody. But hey, an important politician wants to base the laws of the nation off of sharia... just like most other nations in the region.

BETTER FREAK OUT.

It's easier if you base it this way: It happened while Obama was president, therefore it is bad. Nothing else beyond that matters to them.

Come to think of it, some people in here were claiming the Arab spring was because of the US "liberating" Iraq, and therefore it was Bush 2's policies. So extending that, then it's Bush's fault for what happens in Libya.

 

[zsdersw]

So many opinions, so few practical ideas.

Everyone who, throughout history, dipped their feet in the water trying to make the Middle East anything better than what it is has ended up wasting billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and came back home with nothing to show for it except egg on their face and a little oil.

NATO, Israel, Russia, China... everyone has done a bang-up job over there.

 

[KlokWyze]

So many opinions, so few practical ideas.

Everyone who, throughout history, dipped their feet in the water trying to make the Middle East anything better than what it is has ended up wasting billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and came back home with nothing to show for it except egg on their face and a little oil.

NATO, Israel, Russia, China... everyone has done a bang-up job over there.

That's the only thing everyone in here will agree on.

 

[Zebo]

Shit happens indeed. The whole ME will always be a shithole as long as they are infected with that retrograde religion. I'd be more worried about missiles and other sophisticated weaponry falling into the hands of radical Islamist militias which is the current regime as far as we are concerned. Good job Obama.