Is your employer exempt from Obamacare? *UPDATE*

[nick1985]

costs

But they said it would bend the cost curve down. They said once they passed it we will love it.

Is this not true?

 

[Zebo]

Still trying to figure it out...obamacare

So is everyone else.

 

[dmcowen674]

111 companies and growing.

Every one of these Anti-American companies should be boycotted and shutdown immediately.

 

[Golgatha]

I LOL'd at number 81.

81. CIGNA 9/17/2010 9/26/2010 265,000 9/30/2010 9/30/2010


Really? One would imagine they get VERY inexpensive health coverage, since, you know, that's their business and all.

Actually, about 1/2 of all the affected employees on this list come from big insurance companies who have opted out.

 

[CycloWizard]

Every one of these Anti-American companies should be boycotted and shutdown immediately.

Yes, what could be more American than shutting down a company because it opts out of a fascist policy?

 

[PingSpike]

111 companies and growing.

http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations/approved_applications_for_waiver.html

Various unions, insurers, Dish Network, grocery chains, restaurants and so on.

It's so good, everybody wants out.

Big companies use their well paid lobbying teams to dodge legislation...meanwhile their smaller competitors take full damages. Its an excellent way to destroy competition. My favorite example being the toy makers importing lead paint toys being exempt from the testing requirements that arose as a result of their actions! I like it because its so hilarious and blatant.

 

[Sinsear]

But they said it would bend the cost curve down. They said once they passed it we will love it.

Is this not true?

No, they (she) said once they passed it you will find out what's in it.

 

[manimal]

Actually health care reform is fairly easy to understand if you know how to read...

the internet is that way------>

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Gawd, not another Obamacare bashing post

All the righties and haters fought tooth and nail against any real meaningful reform, and we wound up with just what the haters wanted. A half assed solution with mostly repulican ideas and now they call it "Obamacare" and want to repeal it.

All I can say is you fuckers deserve Obamacare so live with it until we are truly ready to solve the problem and adopt a single payer system like other civilized nations have done.

Because at this point going back to the Insurance monopoly where the middle class bends over for 25% increases every year and poor people are just expected to die quietly while insurance execs and doctors groups rake in billions for substandard care ain't gonna fly.

 

[Circlenaut]

Ah, so it's my job to subsidize healthcare for the smoker down the street who eats a pound of bacon with every meal? Seems appropriate. I'll think about how fair that is while on my morning jog and eating Raisin Bran for breakfast. Maybe you guys should take a course in statistics rather than simply parroting what your "betters" sent you in your e-mail this morning. Or, you could simply admit that this is just another way for the douchebags of your generation to take everything from my generation at the expense of our future opportunities.

Err, yes it is your job and all of ours to subsidize their cost. Don't you selfish conservatives realize that it's in the nation's best interests to keep EVERYONE healthy!? Once everyone has "insurance" they'll be more preventative programs and these people that are unhealthy now because of a lack of insurance will be healthier in the future. Diseases will be caught earlier and treated earlier. Don't you realize you're already indirectly subsidizing them now because of their non-payment? If the hospitals can't get money from those that can't pay, they increase the rate on those that can. Also a public option would have helped by covering those at higher risk (low income). Hopefully a public option will be introduced in the future.

Medical decisions should be left to doctors not the suits. The suits only care about profit, they are the definition of greed.

 

[manimal]

Err, yes it is your job and all of ours to subsidize their cost. Don't you selfish conservatives realize that it's in the nation's best interests to keep EVERYONE healthy!? Once everyone has "insurance" they'll be more preventative programs and these people that are unhealthy now because of a lack of insurance will be healthier in the future. Diseases will be caught earlier and treated earlier. Don't you realize you're already indirectly subsidizing them now because of their non-payment? If the hospitals can't get money from those that can't pay, they increase the rate on those that can. Also a public option would have helped by covering those at higher risk (low income). Hopefully a public option will be introduced in the future.

But I am a libertarian who doesnt use public roads, or 911 or take advantage of anything the government does for me so why should I pay it.

If I get into a car accident I fully expect the paramedics to leave me there to die because I want to be free.....

Again see larger pools in Hawaii and Romneycare and get back to us with facts....


Would we have been better off with a singlepayer system?

BUT THAT WOULD BE SOCIALIST>>>>>

btw I am firmly for a singlepayer system to drive down costs...

 

[dmcowen674]

Yes, what could be more American than shutting down a company because it opts out of a fascist policy?

Don't like it, you and those companies are free to leave.

Go quickly thank you

 

[Sinsear]

Don't like it, you and those companies are free to leave.

Go quickly thank you

Hope they take their jobs with them too, right? Then we can pin it on Obama for raising the unemployment rates,

 

[PingSpike]

The healthcare bill was doomed. It was created by compromise. Compromise means a solution no one wanted. No balls on the public option.

 

[dainthomas]

Ah, so it's my job to subsidize healthcare for the smoker down the street who eats a pound of bacon with every meal? Seems appropriate. I'll think about how fair that is while on my morning jog and eating Raisin Bran for breakfast. Maybe you guys should take a course in statistics rather than simply parroting what your "betters" sent you in your e-mail this morning. Or, you could simply admit that this is just another way for the douchebags of your generation to take everything from my generation at the expense of our future opportunities.

You can either subsidize his $50 office visit and subsequent cheapo bp medication, or have your hospital write off $50k when he shows up at the ER with a stroke or heart attack. Your choice.

(Hint: $49,950 buys a lot of raisin bran)

 

[CycloWizard]

Err, yes it is your job and all of ours to subsidize their cost. Don't you selfish conservatives realize that it's in the nation's best interests to keep EVERYONE healthy!? Once everyone has "insurance" they'll be more preventative programs and these people that are unhealthy now because of a lack of insurance will be healthier in the future. Diseases will be caught earlier and treated earlier. Don't you realize you're already indirectly subsidizing them now because of their non-payment? If the hospitals can't get money from those that can't pay, they increase the rate on those that can. Also a public option would have helped by covering those at higher risk (low income). Hopefully a public option will be introduced in the future.

Medical decisions should be left to doctors not the suits. The suits only care about profit, they are the definition of greed.

I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or not, but I hope so. If not, read the following paragraph.

Anyone who can say what you said at all seriously is a fascist. You want me to subsidize care for the people who made poor life choices because I have made good life choices. Freedom cuts both ways, but everything you have stated here is exactly opposite to freedom. You want to penalize me for doing what is right and reward those who have done what is wrong. If I am free to make choices, I must also be free to deal with the consequences of those choices. Instead, you want to saddle me with the consequences of the bad choices someone else has made simply because I made good decisions. That is evil.

 

[CycloWizard]

But I am a libertarian who doesnt use public roads, or 911 or take advantage of anything the government does for me so why should I pay it.

If I get into a car accident I fully expect the paramedics to leave me there to die because I want to be free.....

Again see larger pools in Hawaii and Romneycare and get back to us with facts....


Would we have been better off with a singlepayer system?

BUT THAT WOULD BE SOCIALIST>>>>>

btw I am firmly for a singlepayer system to drive down costs...

I didn't realize we were having a competition to see who could squeeze the most fallacies into a single post.

 

[CycloWizard]

You can either subsidize his $50 office visit and subsequent cheapo bp medication, or have your hospital write off $50k when he shows up at the ER with a stroke or heart attack. Your choice.

(Hint: $49,950 buys a lot of raisin bran)

False dilemma. We could simply repeal laws requiring hospitals to foot the bill for stabilizing patients who can't afford to pay for the treatment due to their own poor life choices.

 

[CycloWizard]

Don't like it, you and those companies are free to leave.

Go quickly thank you

Your hero is the one giving these companies a pass. Aren't you pleased with your decision?

 

[spacejamz]

I still think is pretty fucked up that no members of Congress are going to be covered by this POS legislation so they can get the same shit they are shoveling.

 

[Circlenaut]

I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or not, but I hope so. If not, read the following paragraph.

Anyone who can say what you said at all seriously is a fascist. You want me to subsidize care for the people who made poor life choices because I have made good life choices. Freedom cuts both ways, but everything you have stated here is exactly opposite to freedom. You want to penalize me for doing what is right and reward those who have done what is wrong. If I am free to make choices, I must also be free to deal with the consequences of those choices. Instead, you want to saddle me with the consequences of the bad choices someone else has made simply because I made good decisions. That is evil.

Aren't you quick to label? By throwing logic out for ideology you're the one more likely to fall pray to false dichotomy. I have formulated my opinion out of compassion and the realization that a healthy population is in the best interest of all people. We are a civilized nation. How can we continually preach this to the rest of the world if we don't even hear the pleas from our brothers and sisters? Forget about everything that you have and everything that you believe and for a moment, just a second, but yourself in the shoes of a minimum wage worker with a chronic illness. Tell me can you sympathize with his plea?

You're the one that choose to see this issue in blank and white. You present an irresponsible fool and I a desperate randomly selected because of his genetics. Please, see the shades in between. Don't confuse compassion with fascism and I'll try not to confuse conservatism with selfishness. Certain industries flourish under capitalism but health care is not one of them. The moment financiers rob away the duties of doctors is the moment life becomes a commodity. Tell me, what's the price tag of your well-being?

 

[boomerang]

I still think is pretty fucked up that no members of Congress are going to be covered by this POS legislation so they can get the same shit they are shoveling.

Great that you brought that back to the forefront. It's gotten lost in the shuffle.

 

[nick1985]

Your hero is the one giving these companies a pass. Aren't you pleased with your decision?

He is, because it pisses off conservatives.

 

[Circlenaut]

False dilemma. We could simply repeal laws requiring hospitals to foot the bill for stabilizing patients who can't afford to pay for the treatment due to their own poor life choices.

Wow, if you truly believe that, the nullification of the Hippocratic oath, we'll be the laughing stock of the world. Tell me, how can you sit there and spout this caustic language? How do you live with yourself?

 

[matt0611]

So the government passes laws but then exempts their friends from it?

Wow, thats fucking bullshit. Not surprising though.