Is Windows Vista the #1 Tech Disappointment of 2007?

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: lxskllr
Maybe you just don't know what your doing? I haven't had any problems with Vista on the 3 machines I've installed it on

Oh wow. This is really getting out of hand. I don't know what I'm doing now when it comes to using a computer?

That's the biggest troll statement I've ever seen.

Well we've already determined that it isn't Vista since there's so many people in this thread that are running it without problems. That leaves you, or some supernatural phenomenon that doesn't affect me. Guess which one I'm voting for...

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: stash
That's because most of it is FUD. I would say most of the "issues" people post about here and elsewhere have to do with a handful of things: Superfetch, UAC and the defragger. That's because people don't really understand how they work. Once you explain how Superfetch works (using your memory is a good thing), what UAC is really for (hint, its not directly related to security), and why colored blocks in a defragger are meaningless, their problems will go away. That is if they open their eyes and ears and actually listen to what's being said.

Problem is, a lot of people like to stick their fingers in their ears and scream I can't hear you!, which is why we beat these horses to a pulp day in and day out. It's why I wish this forum had a Battlefront section like Ars, so the the S/N ratio could be lowered and people with actual problems and questions could get help.

Yes, the BSOD I got while running only Firefox after a fresh install has anything to do with what you pointed out? Give me a break. That's not FUD.

http://img399.imageshack.us/im.../7272/bsodvistays5.jpg

^^^So this was supposed to be imaginary? It never happened?

Try running FireFox in "safe mode." If that works, you might have a problematic FireFox extension. I'm sure if there were a consistent, repeatable issue with FireFox on Vista, we'd all have heard about it by now.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
Well we've already determined that it isn't Vista since there's so many people in this thread that are running it without problems. That leaves you, or some supernatural phenomenon that doesn't affect me. Guess which one I'm voting for...

You failed to see the many people that have posted here that do have problems. Now please stop trolling and move along since you have nothing positive to add to this thread.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Try running FireFox in "safe mode." If that works, you might have a problematic FireFox extension. I'm sure if there were a consistent, repeatable issue with FireFox on Vista, we'd all have heard about it by now.

<sigh>

When I got that there weren't any extensions added to Firefox. I know well enough that the more crap you add to Firefox the more unstable it becomes. I don't get some of you that are treating me as if I am some average user with no experience. It's really distasteful.

Now I expect the "It's not Vista, it's Firefox" comments. Wow, I have never gotten a BSOD while running Firefox in Windows XP. So obviously it's something to do with Vista.

I swear, I am going to do a new project and wipe my computer clean and install Vista. Then I'm going to make a new post here each and every time I have a problem with it. I guess I'll just get comments that it's my hardware or the software I am running. The irony will be that everything I do will be the same as if I am running Windows XP and I have no problems with my computer now. :roll:

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
I swear, I am going to do a new project and wipe my computer clean and install Vista. Then I'm going to make a new post somewhere else each and every time I have a problem with it.

Fixed.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
I swear, I am going to do a new project and wipe my computer clean and install Vista. Then I'm going to make a new post somewhere else each and every time I have a problem with it.

Fixed.

Please stop your trollish behavior.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Please stop your trollish behavior.

If you would quit your pathetic trolling in any and all "XP vs Vista" or Vista threads, people wouldn't have to call you on it. You obviously have nothing to offer as you're proven wrong time after time by respected posters like mechBgon, Nothinman, bsobel and BD2003, and still you carry on with the garbage posts (viz your last post in the stickied Vista thread).

We get the idea: you have a closed mind, so stop derailing other peoples threads or contribute something positive if that's possible.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Please stop your trollish behavior.

If you would quit your pathetic trolling in any and all "XP vs Vista" or Vista threads, people wouldn't have to call you on it. You obviously have nothing to offer as you're proven wrong time after time by respected posters like mechBgon, Nothinman, bsobel and BD2003, and still you carry on with the garbage posts (viz your last post in the stickied Vista thread).

We get the idea: you have a closed mind, so stop derailing other peoples threads or contribute something positive if that's possible.

Call me on what? It isn't really about "XP vs Vista". You've grown to so many of those debates that anyone that mentions Vista you think that's what it is about.

Who has proven me "wrong" on anything? All I ever hear from you and the rest of those people is "Works fine for me." That's not proving anyone wrong. Is there something wrong with you?

This thread, last time I checked, was just that Vista turned out to be a disappointment. All the time and development that was put into it and when it was released (and for much of the year) it has been a flop. Sorry, SP1 didn't come out in time soon enough to save anyone's negative perception of it.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
This thread, last time I checked, was just that Vista turned out to be a disappointment. All the time and development that was put into it and when it was released (and for much of the year) it has been a flop.

Exactly, that is the point of this thread - that it hasn't sold well and has a lot of negative press, not that the latter is new for MS. The thread isn't about you getting your knickers in a twist because you can't appreciate that other people can use it without any major problems.

I suggest we go to PM if you want to continue this.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Try running FireFox in "safe mode." If that works, you might have a problematic FireFox extension. I'm sure if there were a consistent, repeatable issue with FireFox on Vista, we'd all have heard about it by now.

<sigh>

When I got that there weren't any extensions added to Firefox. I know well enough that the more crap you add to Firefox the more unstable it becomes. I don't get some of you that are treating me as if I am some average user with no experience. It's really distasteful.

Now I expect the "It's not Vista, it's Firefox" comments. Wow, I have never gotten a BSOD while running Firefox in Windows XP. So obviously it's something to do with Vista.

Or perhaps it's something you did to your particular Vista installation (disabling UAC, disabling services you think you don't need, or ???), since most other people don't seem to be having a problem running FireFox on Vista. Are you still having the problem now?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Try running FireFox in "safe mode." If that works, you might have a problematic FireFox extension. I'm sure if there were a consistent, repeatable issue with FireFox on Vista, we'd all have heard about it by now.

<sigh>

When I got that there weren't any extensions added to Firefox. I know well enough that the more crap you add to Firefox the more unstable it becomes. I don't get some of you that are treating me as if I am some average user with no experience. It's really distasteful.

Now I expect the "It's not Vista, it's Firefox" comments. Wow, I have never gotten a BSOD while running Firefox in Windows XP. So obviously it's something to do with Vista.

Or perhaps it's something you did to your particular Vista installation (disabling UAC, disabling services you think you don't need, or ???), since most other people don't seem to be having a problem running FireFox on Vista. Are you still having the problem now?

Exactly!....I have been using 32 bit Firefox with 64 bit Thunderbird in Vista x64 since Jan,I also have two extensions,weather program and all-in one side bar and I don't have any problems with Firefox(almost a year now).If it was a Vista issue with Firefox there would of been a lot of reports on the matter.
Also Firefox has had a few updates so which version was the problem?

Now I expect the "It's not Vista, it's Firefox" comments. Wow, I have never gotten a BSOD while running Firefox in Windows XP. So obviously it's something to do with Vista.

And if somebody tells you they have had a BSOD in XP caused by Firefox does that make it any different?..I have never had a BSOD caused by Firefox in Vista or XP but that is besides the point.You have to find the real cause.
Personally it may not even be Firefox or Vista,I have seen overclocks on Video/CPU and even ram do weird things to software.I have seen it happen on my XP PC in 2005 , BSOD in Opera on XP caused by wrong Nvidia driver settings when going to Java enabled websites,link. .

It's always easier to point the finger then to track and find the real cause of the problem.

Getting back on topic,

Is Windows Vista the #1 Tech Disappointment of 2007?

I don't think this year has been that bad,been very good year for gaming,no.1 tech disappointment for me has probably been AMD.

Now that's see if jonmcc33 replies without being rude or flamming.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Or perhaps it's something you did to your particular Vista installation (disabling UAC, disabling services you think you don't need, or ???), since most other people don't seem to be having a problem running FireFox on Vista. Are you still having the problem now?

I don't think of it as a "problem" as I do a "look, it happened". It was back in February at the time and myself and a few others had quite a bit of amusement out of a BSOD in Vista.

I just wiped my computer from Windows XP and I'm running Vista again. I can't wait to post my current problems that I am sure I will have!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Please stop your trollish behavior.

Yes, please do.

 

[JustaGeek]

I have been running the Ultimate 64 since Thursday (about 3 days now), and I reserve the right to make no comments whatsoever.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Soviet
How about a UI that makes more sense than the XP one, its not much worse but its not much better either. Heres an example i asked about in another thread, but noone understood what i meant because i suck at wording things i guess. Heres an illustration of a part of the vista UI that didnt make sense to me

I agree completely, that is "bogus UI" IMHO.

 

[KlokWyze]

Waited about 3 years after XP was out to upgrade from 2K.

Vista seems to be an overbloated resource hog with little in the way of inovation (the same could be said about the 2k to XP jump). Considering my outdated hardware setups & modest needs, it isn't likely I will "upgrade" anytime soon.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

< sigh >

When I got that there weren't any extensions added to Firefox. I know well enough that the more crap you add to Firefox the more unstable it becomes. I don't get some of you that are treating me as if I am some average user with no experience. It's really distasteful.

Now I expect the "It's not Vista, it's Firefox" comments. Wow, I have never gotten a BSOD while running Firefox in Windows XP. So obviously it's something to do with Vista.

I swear, I am going to do a new project and wipe my computer clean and install Vista. Then I'm going to make a new post here each and every time I have a problem with it. I guess I'll just get comments that it's my hardware or the software I am running. The irony will be that everything I do will be the same as if I am running Windows XP and I have no problems with my computer now. :roll:

I'll agree with you that it's not firefox. Happy? That's a user mode app and you're talking about a bugcheck (which can only occur because of a kernel mode problem). I'm not going to say you're an average user either...just an average admin perhaps.


From the bugcheck code reference in the WinDBG helpfile:

---------------------
Cause
Bug check 0x50 usually occurs after the installation of faulty hardware or in the event of failure of installed hardware (usually related to defective RAM, be it main memory, L2 RAM cache, or video RAM).
---------------------

Basically some driver tried to hit bad memory address (ended up having to page to go fetch it when it's in a non-pageable address.). Usually this isn't caused by a driver so downright retarded that it actually tried to do this instead this is VERY frequently caused by a bitflip...in other words damaged memory or a CPU caused a single bit to get altered and turned a valid address into something garbage.

Lets take a look at your case. The Stop 50 you got had a first parameter of 92CC4A90 and a 3rd parameter of 81CE892E.

The 81CE892E is the instruction where the reference was made from. It's a normal kernel-range address (Above 7FFFFFFF). The 92CC4A90 is suspicious though. It's a bit odd to see some code making a jump so far. Most assembly instructions are referencing data nearby...often within the same page. Longs jumps are uncommon. What abouts we break that number down into binary??

10010010110011000100101010010000 = 81CE892E.

What if that 2nd "1" was really a 0 and got flipped? (the first one getting flipped would take us into user mode address space...the kernel doesn't do this)

10000010110011000100101010010000 = 82CC4A90

82CC4A90 is much closer to the calling instruction.


I'm not saying this is what happened. You would need the full memory dump to be sure. Based off what typically happens in a Stop 50 though (bad driver or hardware) and the fact that folks all up and down this page aren't seeing what you are, I'd agree it's unlikely this is a problem with Vista.

You can continue on your bitching spree swearing up and down it's some code defect without any proof...or you could STFU and go find root cause. Note: wiping your computer does not find root cause..at best you would mask the issue or cause it to manifest itself as some other failure.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Soviet
How about a UI that makes more sense than the XP one, its not much worse but its not much better either. Heres an example i asked about in another thread, but noone understood what i meant because i suck at wording things i guess. Heres an illustration of a part of the vista UI that didnt make sense to me

I agree completely, that is "bogus UI" IMHO.

The reason the top box is displaying history instead of folders above is because you're at the top! The only thing above "computer" that you can go to is "desktop" but you can reach that by clicking the little right arrow next to "computer". If you go up to desktop even that disappears.

As far as what "recent" things it displays...just a guess here: things you've actually typed into that bar as opposed to browsing to?

I'm not saying it's a good or bad design (meh...works for me) but I didn't want you to get too far with that rant of yours,

Originally posted by: Soviet
This thing here used to be where that yellow box is, what was wrong with that?? If its not broken don't fix it, or at least give an option to change it back,"

...again. It was never changed to begin with...you're just at the top. No where to go from here.


edit: I'm pissed about the lack of "folder up" button tho. I don't care that it can be done in a slightly different way. It's just too common of a user action to have the button removed.

 

[stash]

You can continue on your bitching spree swearing up and down it's some code defect without any proof...or you could STFU and go find root cause. Note: wiping your computer does not find root cause..at best you would mask the issue or cause it to manifest itself as some other failure.

Looks like he got himself banned, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[JustaGeek]

Originally posted by: JustaGeek
I have been running the Ultimate 64 since Thursday (about 3 days now), and I reserve the right to make no comments whatsoever.

To add to my Sunday comment, I have completed my Vista installation, and after the initial "quirks" related to the Security Software (no commercial Anti Spyware program works in 64 bit Vista, i.e. SpySweeper, CA AntiSpyware, Spyware Doctor.
Super AntiSpyware seems to work, but Vista gives messages about incompatibility in the Event Viewer, so I uninstalled it. Norton Internet Security 2007, Spybot and WinPatrol work fine) I am VERY happy with the results.

Gaming is MUCH faster and smoother, with NHL 08, Quake 4, Crysis (works as a 64-bit game!), CoH and STALKER working better and smoother, with much more vivid colors.

Excellent OS, and the 64-bit coding makes it futureproof to me. :thumbsup:

 

[wwswimming]

i think if the person that wrote the article was thinking of the
"adaptive technology" virtues of Vista, they would have
given it mixed reviews. the Speech Recognition functionality
is very good, after a training period.

not everybody needs that, but for people who are vision
impaired or have a paralyzed arm or something, the Vista
speech recognition is comparable to Dragon Pro ($700
student price) on an XP system.

 

[jhu]

i barely use any microsoft products at my place, so imagine the shock when i came over to my fiance's place and played around with her turion64 x2-based laptop to find the vista running so slow. i thought vista was a piece of crap. but, in reality, my initial impression wasn't correct. since she bought an hp laptop, there's a lot of crap installed. so after uninstalling every unnecessary 3rd party utility (including norton...), everything is a lot snappier. vista's not really that bad.

the only reason i would ever have vista on my computer is if i bought a boxed computer, and unlike some of the older microsoft operating systems, i wouldn't automatically delete the windows partition and install something else. some of the ui features are pretty snazzy. i especially like the aero glass.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: wwswimming
i think if the person that wrote the article was thinking of the
"adaptive technology" virtues of Vista, they would have
given it mixed reviews. the Speech Recognition functionality
is very good, after a training period.

not everybody needs that, but for people who are vision
impaired or have a paralyzed arm or something, the Vista
speech recognition is comparable to Dragon Pro ($700
student price) on an XP system.

Excellent points. A lot of us forget about the visually and audibly impaired people. Vista makes great strides in those respects.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: jhu


the only reason i would ever have vista on my computer is if i bought a boxed computer, and unlike some of the older microsoft operating systems, i wouldn't automatically delete the windows partition and install something else. some of the ui features are pretty snazzy. i especially like the aero glass.

My aunt had the same issue. She got a new turionx2 powered HP (with an awesome glossy screen). I spent a couple hours cleaning it and it ran great -- definitely better than I expected on such a limited processor.

 

[potato28]

It's not all that bad of an OS... it's just that everyone expected Microsoft to have it running faster than XP, safer and to poop gold whenever they wanted it. I'm still on XP still, but I'll upgrade to Vista once the new SP comes out.