Is Windows Vista the #1 Tech Disappointment of 2007?

[Genx87]

Really, after all the previous OS releases Vista should have been done right. It wasn't. If you don't think so then you should check out the patches released by Microsoft a little more often before you install them to see exactly what they are fixing.

Give me a break. OSX and even beloved distros of Linux have updates and patching. Ubuntu even requries a restart after an OS patch! OSX asks if you want to install OS updates upon hitting the internet. OH THE HORROR!

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I never said it was hard, I said it's ease of use is less than that of XP. And for my wife it's not as pleasureable a computing experience either. I have never stated here nor anywhere else that it's horrible or a waste of money. But I've never endorsed it either. How's that for straddling the fence?

I'll be honest here, if I'm going to get used to a new operating system experience it's gonna have to be OS X. Vista doesn't appeal to me and it's going to be half a decade or so before Vienna goes gold.

OSX has popups like UAC. If she hates UAC she will hate OSX.

The only time OS X pops up when something is installed at system level or when you designate you want admin powers over some settings. That is far different from UAC from what I understand. If not please show where I can setup UAC so it only asks me when I'm installing something at system level as opposed to just a app like firefox.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Mem
Lol.. got to laugh at this you think there will ever be an OS without patches or updates ,no OS is perfect and never will be, not XP or Vista and not even Vienna when that gets released,its good Microsoft release updates/fixes etc its called support and I welcome all support for Vista just like I welcome it for 2K,XP etc..if they did nothing you would be bitching about that do I need to go on?

I expect patches and updates but Vista is 6 years after XP. They've had how many years to make sure it worked properly? The KB articles I linked to weren't about security updates though. Those were compatibility and performance patches. There is a difference...

Originally posted by: Mem
Again any new OS will have some hardware/software incompatiblilites ,XP was the same maybe you should email the hardware vendors when it comes to lack of drivers and tell them to get off their ass and get them sorted(Vista is almost a year old how much time do they need),Microsoft is already doing it can with regards to the OS related problems,SP1 will soon be here just like SP3 for XP,and other various updates/fixes etc....

End of the day hardware/software companies have to take some responsibility with their products with regards to Vista,can't blame OS for everything.

UAC remarks keeps popping up like a broken record, don't like then disable it ,anybody that buys or has Vista should know what UAC is by now and what options are available with UAC if they don't like it.

Btw I find UAC is not annoying so that article is wrong where I'm concerned,took me 2 weeks to get use to UAC on Vista ,this is from a person that was using XP for almost 7 years.

I expect better for compatibility and performance considering the length of time between XP and Vista and the time it took to develop. I guess I am not like you in seeing the positive out of everything negative. My response is that they should fix it but yours is that you should get used to it. See the difference?

I know you can disable UAC but it's that a huge point of Vista? Aren't there all of these cool things built around UAC?

I am LOL @ you getting used to UAC. That's just too funny...

Originally posted by: Mem
My XP PC has become redundant due to the excellent stability of my Vista x64 in gaming and general use(up to 50 working games installed now with all possible drivers ),infact my XP only gets used for updates/fixes that I need to download for it,again its good support by Microsoft,I'm glad I don't take that PC World article serious or any others like it,I better reserve my seat for Vienna too because you can bet the same old FUD is going to reappear when that is out.

If it's true then it's not FUD. Thanks!

Vista works fine for a lot of people, from personal experience I'm really impressed with the compatibility etc of Vista...I don't remember my XP being as good in its first year,some people expect perfection I'm afraid you won't see that when you throw in an operating system with all that hardware and software that keeps being released,that's the nature of computing in general.

I am LOL @ you getting used to UAC. That's just too funny...

Why because I choose to use a feature in the OS like a lot of Vista users?...now you are being silly and childish,as to the rest of your comments they are not even worth a reply since going over old ground .

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I never said it was hard, I said it's ease of use is less than that of XP. And for my wife it's not as pleasureable a computing experience either. I have never stated here nor anywhere else that it's horrible or a waste of money. But I've never endorsed it either. How's that for straddling the fence?

I'll be honest here, if I'm going to get used to a new operating system experience it's gonna have to be OS X. Vista doesn't appeal to me and it's going to be half a decade or so before Vienna goes gold.

OSX has popups like UAC. If she hates UAC she will hate OSX.

The only time OS X pops up when something is installed at system level or when you designate you want admin powers over some settings. That is far different from UAC from what I understand. If not please show where I can setup UAC so it only asks me when I'm installing something at system level as opposed to just a app like firefox.

OSX prompted me when installing applications that werent system level.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

What apps? I've never had it pop up unless I was updating or installing VMware/Parallels. I've installed, VLC, Firefox, Warcraft 3, Skype, Adium and pletny of other ones.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Mem
Vista works fine for a lot of people, from personal experience I'm really impressed with the compatibility etc of Vista...I don't remember my XP being as good in its first year,some people expect perfection I'm afraid you won't see that when you throw in an operating system with all that hardware and software that keeps being released,that's the nature of computing in general.

What personal experience do you have with it? Don't act like you're all knowing on everything with Vista on every single computer type. Even on my Dell D400 laptop and for basic web use it still has random lock ups every once in a while.

Until DX10 gaming becomes more mainstream and there are video cards out to push DX10 at acceptable framerates I don't see a need for it on my primary computer.

You keep comparing Vista to how Windows XP started out. Hi, there's a vast difference in time, hardware and software between now and then. I'd hope you would understand that at least. Doesn't seem like you do since it's all I ever see you say to try to make Vista look better.

Originally posted by: Mem
Why because I choose to use a feature in the OS like a lot of Vista users?...now you are being silly and childish,as to the rest of your comments they are not even worth a reply since going over old ground .

Then stop replying period. You seem to persist in trying to argue against me on this even when presented with plain facts. You only reply with crap like "It works fine for me." That's just the biggest pile of crap that any computer power user can ever say IMO.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Mem
Vista works fine for a lot of people, from personal experience I'm really impressed with the compatibility etc of Vista...I don't remember my XP being as good in its first year,some people expect perfection I'm afraid you won't see that when you throw in an operating system with all that hardware and software that keeps being released,that's the nature of computing in general.

What personal experience do you have with it? Don't act like you're all knowing on everything with Vista on every single computer type. Even on my Dell D400 laptop and for basic web use it still has random lock ups every once in a while.

Until DX10 gaming becomes more mainstream and there are video cards out to push DX10 at acceptable framerates I don't see a need for it on my primary computer.

You keep comparing Vista to how Windows XP started out. Hi, there's a vast difference in time, hardware and software between now and then. I'd hope you would understand that at least. Doesn't seem like you do since it's all I ever see you say to try to make Vista look better.

Originally posted by: Mem
Why because I choose to use a feature in the OS like a lot of Vista users?...now you are being silly and childish,as to the rest of your comments they are not even worth a reply since going over old ground .

Then stop replying period. You seem to persist in trying to argue against me on this even when presented with plain facts. You only reply with crap like "It works fine for me." That's just the biggest pile of crap that any computer power user can ever say IMO.

You are one rude guy all you do is flame and try to start an argument in every post,if you got nothing constructive to say without causing an argument then please DO US ALL a favour and STFU!!!!!!!!.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Mem
You are one rude guy all you do is flame and try to start an argument in every post,if you got nothing constructive to say without causing an argument then please DO US ALL a favour and STFU!!!!!!!!.

Do not be a hypocrite. You've been nothing but rude to me and others here when it comes to Vista. If anyone says anything negative about it at all you tell them that everything they say is FUD. How rude is that?

Someone has a legitimate issue and you tell them to STFU and stop spreading FUD. Even Google can find you thousands of results of problems with Vista. I guess Google is FUD too?

Remember, I'm trying to have a real conversation here about Vista. You are the one that seems to turn this into an argument. Calm down a little and bring something solid to the table for once.

 

[JustaGeek]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: nerp
There is already a thread about this and very similar to PC World's other lame effort which said a mac is the fastest Vista notebook, blah blah, PC World isn't really relevant. I find them to be the biggest tech magazine disappointment for 2007.

No, that title would go to Maximum PC.

I'll agree that Vista has a lot to improve before I'm ever "impressed" with it.

Namely:

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Do you actually use it...?

Surely you have the ability to use Google and see the wide complaints about Vista. I'd have to agree with most of those complaints. If you need help then I will assist you: http://www.google.com

Happy hunting...

Do I actually use it? All the time but not on my primary computer because I prefer to enjoy my computer use during the day.

:laugh:

See, your answer speaks for itself.

I asked you for the reasons, why (in you opinion) Vista is bad.

You gave me Google.

It means that... you don't know!

Or perhaps you would have to do the research to find out, because apparently you've been using it on your "secondary" computer "all the time", but can not think of 5 reasons why you don't like it!

The easiest thing to do is to follow the crowd of finger-pointers.

It is much more difficult to say what must be improved, isn't it, jonmcc33...?

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I never said it was hard, I said it's ease of use is less than that of XP. And for my wife it's not as pleasureable a computing experience either. I have never stated here nor anywhere else that it's horrible or a waste of money. But I've never endorsed it either. How's that for straddling the fence?

I'll be honest here, if I'm going to get used to a new operating system experience it's gonna have to be OS X. Vista doesn't appeal to me and it's going to be half a decade or so before Vienna goes gold.

OSX has popups like UAC. If she hates UAC she will hate OSX.

She will get my DV6000T w/ XP Pro, I'll get the Mac with OS X. I've used OS X a little and I like it so far. :thumbsup: I am not a luddite, just the opposite actually. My personal preference in operating systems is not vista, big deal.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: JustaGeek
:laugh:

See, your answer speaks for itself.

I asked you for the reasons, why (in you opinion) Vista is bad.

You gave me Google.

It means that... you don't know!

Or perhaps you would have to do the research to find out, because apparently you've been using it on your "secondary" computer "all the time", but can not think of 5 reasons why you don't like it!

The easiest thing to do is to follow the crowd of finger-pointers.

It is much more difficult to say what must be improved, isn't it, jonmcc33...?

I'm sorry, you're right. Vista is completely flawless and works with every single bit of hardware and software ever made. All the problems that people have been reporting for over a YEAR now are just complete figments of their imagination. :roll:

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: JustaGeek
:laugh:

See, your answer speaks for itself.

I asked you for the reasons, why (in you opinion) Vista is bad.

You gave me Google.

It means that... you don't know!

Or perhaps you would have to do the research to find out, because apparently you've been using it on your "secondary" computer "all the time", but can not think of 5 reasons why you don't like it!

The easiest thing to do is to follow the crowd of finger-pointers.

It is much more difficult to say what must be improved, isn't it, jonmcc33...?

I'm sorry, you're right. Vista is completely flawless and works with every single bit of hardware and software ever made. All the problems that people have been reporting for over a YEAR now are just complete figments of their imagination. :roll:

Hmm, wouldn't go that far but, I have 64bit Vista running on this system and 32bit Vista on my wife and oldest boys for about a year now with no problems driver or software wise. I'll be building a new system soon and there is/was no doubt what OS would be used......

 

[toadeater]

In my mind, absolutely, without a doubt. Vista is a cursed albatross of an operating system. Vista apologists need not reply.

The second biggest is overpriced, poorly designed DX10 hardware. From the DOA 8600 series, to the 8800 GT's single slot cooler, to prices not going down, to ATI's inability to beat Nvidia's shoddy cards at any price.

Hmm... the Phenom is up there too. AMD/ATI crapping all over itself is bad news for all of us. Maybe that's not the biggest disappointment, but the biggest fiasco.

Yep, those three things. Worst of 2007.

 

[Mem]

What personal experience do you have with it? Don't act like you're all knowing on everything with Vista on every single computer type. Even on my Dell D400 laptop and for basic web use it still has random lock ups every once in a while.

Until DX10 gaming becomes more mainstream and there are video cards out to push DX10 at acceptable framerates I don't see a need for it on my primary computer.

You keep comparing Vista to how Windows XP started out. Hi, there's a vast difference in time, hardware and software between now and then. I'd hope you would understand that at least. Doesn't seem like you do since it's all I ever see you say to try to make Vista look better

You are the one being rude,I don't know everthing on Vista and never said I did , you just like putting words in people's mouth .However I said you never find a perfect OS and Microsoft is trying to fix what faults are in Vista just like they did in XP,what part of that don't you understand????

Sure I compare it to XP since its the upgrade to XP and the OS it will eventually replace until Vienna is released,besides we need some of sort of base reference to compare it with.

So you don't like it that I prefer Vista,well people do like somethings more then others its called choices and freedom to choose ,you have made it quite clear you prefer XP and I have no problems with that so at least allow me to do the same,remember what I said no OS is perfect and never will be.I have no problem with anybody out there that uses XP,Linux,MAC or whatever OS they prefer,in the end we all make choices.

Vista is still quite new and we are all still waiting for SP1 to arrive etc..that will fix some issues but as with any Microsoft OS,fixing/updating is ongoing and will always will be.
As to making Vista look better I don't need too,people have their own opinions on what they prefer or think of ANY OPERATING SYSTEM ,those that know me here know that,I only speak the truth from my personal experience and remember I have used a lot of operating systems over the years and if I think Vista is Microsoft's best OS they have ever made so far then I'm entitled to my opinion,got to call it as I have been using it,as a online gamer I can't really afford to have any serious isssues with Vista and so far it has not let me down.
I don't doubt you have lockups etc..but unless I have your PC I can't really comment on the problem( by troubleshooting the cause)....my Vista never lockups ,my brother's friend Vista never locks up,his IT friend has one as well and has no problems,see my point?..There are people with no problems out there just like those that do have problems.


Its very hard to make a perfect OS,hardware and software is always changing so in the end responsibility falls to all those concerned ie...Microsoft and the hardware/software companies that make their products etc..throw in users as well(since that have been know to cause issues as well,I knew a guy once that thought it was a good idea to delete some Windows folders and files to free up space), and you will always get some sort of problem with some people regardless of how stable are what is fixed.
Getting back to what you was saying,bottomline it takes time to fix issues due to Microsoft having to test them etc... and also anybody that has ever used an OS knows it will always be ongoing,its not that I think Vista is perfect (I don't and never will) its just that I'm a realist when it comes to computing etc...name me one Microsoft OS that has been released in a perfect state?...only one I can think that's even close is hmm DOS 6.22 but then thats just my opinion and I'm sure somebody is going to disagree with me on that ,but hey there are entitled to their opinion too and I ahve no problem with that.

I also expect SP2 down the road and maybe SP3 as well,that's just a guess on my part about Vista.
Anyway getting back to that article another thing they forgot to meantion if Vista was changed too much how many people would say its a good thing?..then ask yourself how many people would say it was a bad thing ,see my point you can't please everybody.

Vienna is going to be interesting to see how people react to the changes etc....also FUD will reappear in some form or another,there's truth and the truth as they say.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Really, after all the previous OS releases Vista should have been done right. It wasn't. If you don't think so then you should check out the patches released by Microsoft a little more often before you install them to see exactly what they are fixing.

Give me a break. OSX and even beloved distros of Linux have updates and patching. Ubuntu even requries a restart after an OS patch! OSX asks if you want to install OS updates upon hitting the internet. OH THE HORROR!

I dunno about OSX but I rarely get prompted for Ubuntu updates. Definitely for kernel updates but as far as I can remember that's about it. Of course I have had a few instances of leaving my system up for a while (including after updates) then being prompted to reboot following an update only to have 'X' broken. Redoing the video driver usually fixes that though.

 

[nerp]

I get hit with UAC prompts once a week, TOPS.

I use my computer to get work done. I also don't constantly muck about moving files in and out of system folders. I also don't use poorly written "tweaker" apps that demand root access.

UAC gripes are whiny and overstated. The benefits go far beyond prompts.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Mem
<snip>

Just some FYI, since you usually spout the same old rhetoric over and over and this post was quite long I just skipped the whole thing. You really need to be more constructive in your posts and use a little more tact. Maybe next time. Thanks!

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Mem
<snip>

Just some FYI, since you usually spout the same old rhetoric over and over and this post was quite long I just skipped the whole thing. You really need to be more constructive in your posts and use a little more tact. Maybe next time. Thanks!

As I thought you just like trolling,thanks for nothing as usual,don't bother replying you'll be doing us all a favor.

 

[stash]

since you usually spout the same old rhetoric over and over

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
...since you usually spout the same old rhetoric over and over

Pot, meet kettle.

QFT.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: stash

since you usually spout the same old rhetoric over and over

Pot, meet kettle.

Actually, I vary my posts and comments. If you read properly you'd see that. Thanks!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: JustaGeek
:laugh:

See, your answer speaks for itself.

I asked you for the reasons, why (in you opinion) Vista is bad.

You gave me Google.

It means that... you don't know!

Or perhaps you would have to do the research to find out, because apparently you've been using it on your "secondary" computer "all the time", but can not think of 5 reasons why you don't like it!

The easiest thing to do is to follow the crowd of finger-pointers.

It is much more difficult to say what must be improved, isn't it, jonmcc33...?

I'm sorry, you're right. Vista is completely flawless and works with every single bit of hardware and software ever made. All the problems that people have been reporting for over a YEAR now are just complete figments of their imagination. :roll:

As is XP. Afterall...the hundreds of problems in the XP forums is in THEIR imagination

/nod

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
As is XP. Afterall...the hundreds of problems in the XP forums is in THEIR imagination

/nod

Windows XP works perfectly right out of the box. What people do to it afterwards is called "user error". Windows Vista does NOT work perfectly right out of the box.

There is a VAST difference and your argument here is VERY pathetic.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: blackangst1
As is XP. Afterall...the hundreds of problems in the XP forums is in THEIR imagination

/nod

Windows XP works perfectly right out of the box. What people do to it afterwards is called "user error". Windows Vista does NOT work perfectly right out of the box.

There is a VAST difference and your argument here is VERY pathetic.

Funny, my XP box struggles to detect my hardware properly and requires me to install drivers for my chipset, video card even point to my SATA drivers during setup in order to work properly.

Vista detected and installed my drivers automatically.

Vista, for me, worked more 'perfectly' out of the box than XP ever has. It even took care of my printer for me, complete with the custom LaserJet UI from HP.

 

[Cutthroat]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: blackangst1
As is XP. Afterall...the hundreds of problems in the XP forums is in THEIR imagination

/nod

Windows XP works perfectly right out of the box. What people do to it afterwards is called "user error". Windows Vista does NOT work perfectly right out of the box.

There is a VAST difference and your argument here is VERY pathetic.

Windows XP does not work out of the box for me. I have a retail version from 2001, in order to install it on my current system I would need to slipstream SP2 and some drivers. I can get it installed eventually, but it is a PITA. Vista installs in ~20 minutes, doesn't need to be tweaked to get it the way I like, so I have more time to play games (which all work fine).