Is Trump Trying to Stage a Coup?

[fskimospy]

How do you know they’re fraudulent until they’ve been assessed based on their merits? Can you point to any coup in history where those seeking to attain power actually followed the process within the parameters of the system itself?Trump challenged the results via the process, and his challenges have all failed. That is not a coup.

I would once again suggest you Google ‘judicial coup’ and read about Venezuela as I already linked to you.

Your ignorance is staggering. Your pride blinds you to reality.

 

[woolfe9998]

Nah, my analogy is fine

Thank you for conceding that your analogy is not fine by failing to address the reasons I gave as you are obviously incapable of addressing them. A response amounting to nothing more than a handwave is an admission of failure.

 

[MtnMan]

Successful coup not found. The fact that Trump's claims lack legitimacy didn't slow 'em down at all. If they could win by lying, they would do so.

Try to rob a bank, but leave with no money. What are you guilty of... yea, bank robbery.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Thank you for conceding that your analogy is not fine by failing to address the reasons I gave as you are obviously incapable of addressing them. A response amounting to nothing more than a handwave is an admission of failure.

Or the point you made as written was unclear, causing me to dismiss it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Try to rob a bank, but leave with no money. What are you guilty of... yea, bank robbery.

But that’s not what happening here. In this case, Trump is entering the bank, going to make a withdrawal from an account that doesn’t exist, the teller told him to pound sand and now he’s standing outside the bank claiming that the bank stole his money.

 

[woolfe9998]

Or the point you made as written was unclear, causing me to dismiss it.

You made the analogy. It's your burden to show sufficient similarity to justify it. Some dems holding up "not my President" signs is hardly persuasive. You're comparing people legitimately complaining about the denial of a recount in a razor thin outcome to people believing manufactured bullshit about widespread voter fraud. The two just are not similar in any way that matters unless you can cite some more persuasive reasons why.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I would once again suggest you Google ‘judicial coup’ and read about Venezuela as I already linked to you.

Your ignorance is staggering. Your pride blinds you to reality.

Venezuala was hardly a thriving pillar of democracy and Maduro was already a totalitarian dictator, the undermining of their judiciary was simply an extension of an already militarily supported regime that began the moment he assumed power after Chavez’s death. This wasn’t a “judicial coup”, it was totalitarian power grab after a farcical election. Trump is something else entirely.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You made the analogy. It's your burden to show sufficient similarity to justify it. Some dems holding up "not my President" signs is hardly persuasive. You're comparing people legitimately complaining about the denial of a recount in a razor thin outcome to people believing manufactured bullshit about widespread voter fraud. The two just are not similar in any way that matters unless you can cite some more persuasive reasons why.

I already gave my reasoning, and mentioned Gore to illustrate the absurdity of the term “judicial coup”.

As for how people responded to Trump’s election, it wasn’t just a few signs and slogans. Hundreds of thousands of people protested in our nation’s capital the day after Trump’s inauguration, the largest since the Vietnam era, they even had their own hats, to reject the outcome of an election. Trump certainly has very vocal and very active advocates, but they lack the numbers to be anything more than inspiration for SNL skits. They even brought Sarah Palin out of obscurity. It’s a joke.

 

[woolfe9998]

I already gave my reasoning, and mentioned Gore to illustrate the absurdity of the term “judicial coup”.

As for how people responded to Trump’s election, it wasn’t just a few signs and slogans. Hundreds of thousands of people protested in our nation’s capital the day after Trump’s inauguration, the largest since the Vietnam era, they even had their own hats, to reject the outcome of an election. Trump certainly has very vocal and very active advocates, but they lack the numbers to be anything more than inspiration for SNL skits. They even brought Sarah Palin out of obscurity. It’s a joke.

Hundreds of thousands were protesting Donald Trump, not the election. Because Donald Trump is a piece of filth.

So far as the election, Trump won. I saw no one say different at the time though there are tens of millions of libs so I'm sure there were some exceptions. The key distinction is that we weren't questioning the integrity of our electoral process at all, let alone doing so on the basis of lies and insane conspiracy theories. Nothing those dems were doing was undermining faith in elections, nor was any of it based on lies. Nor did we have a POTUS who himself was the chief perpetrator of the lies and conspiracy theories. Nor was any dem POTUS or candidate corruptly applying pressure to officials of his own party to overturn an election he knew he lost.

And on and on.

You're just bad at analogies because you fail to understand things like scale and proportionality. You're like the guy who says eating a piece of candy is as bad for your health as smoking 2 packs a day for life.

 

[fskimospy]

Venezuala was hardly a thriving pillar of democracy and Maduro was already a totalitarian dictator, the undermining of their judiciary was simply an extension of an already militarily supported regime that began the moment he assumed power after Chavez’s death. This wasn’t a “judicial coup”, it was totalitarian power grab after a farcical election. Trump is something else entirely.

Thanks for proving my point. Your pride and ignorance blinds you.

 

[zzyzxroad]

How many pages can two trolls drag this thread out by splitting hairs and using ridiculously dishonest arguments?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Thanks for proving my point. Your pride and ignorance blinds you.

I dismantled your poor point about Venezuala, which is why you’ve moved on to tired, childish ad hominems. As always, I appreciate your concern.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Hundreds of thousands were protesting Donald Trump, not the election. Because Donald Trump is a piece of filth.

So far as the election, Trump won. I saw no one say different at the time though there are tens of millions of libs so I'm sure there were some exceptions. The key distinction is that we weren't questioning the integrity of our electoral process at all, let alone doing so on the basis of lies and insane conspiracy theories. Nothing those dems were doing was undermining faith in elections, nor was any of it based on lies. Nor did we have a POTUS who himself was the chief perpetrator of the lies and conspiracy theories. Nor was any dem POTUS or candidate corruptly applying pressure to officials of his own party to overturn an election he knew he lost.

And on and on.

You're just bad at analogies because you fail to understand things like scale and proportionality. You're like the guy who says eating a piece of candy is as bad for your health as smoking 2 packs a day for life.

Speaking of scale and proportionality, daily sugar consumption of equivalency to a smoking habit can cause cancer just as easily...I understand scale and proportionality just fine. What you and others don’t understand is that an apple isn’t an orange just because you claim it is.

 

[fskimospy]

I dismantled your poor point about Venezuala, which is why you’ve moved on to tired, childish ad hominems. As always, I appreciate your concern.

You didn’t, at all. Why would you lie about these obvious things?

Saying I’m concern trolling is projection because you’re childish and insecure. This is what you do all the time. You don’t need to do it though - it’s your choice.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You didn’t, at all. Why would you lie about these obvious things?

Saying I’m concern trolling is projection because you’re childish and insecure. This is what you do all the time. You don’t need to do it though - it’s your choice.

Which part did I lie about? I addressed your whataboutVenezuala argument. I could say the same about you. If I don’t agree with you, I must therefore be wrong, which is why you always feel compelled to insult me. It’s ok, I forgive your condescending arrogance, I’ve come to accept it as a projection of your own insecurity. You can have the last word, I know its very important to you.

 

[Meghan54]

I forgive your condescending arrogance,

Damn, the projection is strong. Stronger than a cat fart, and those have been known to clear rooms...quickly.

 

[nickqt]

Y'all sure are spending a lot of time back-and-forthing with an open fascist apologist.

When fascism is pointed out, he yawns. If there's a critique of fascism, he labels it edgy. And if all else fails, why then, BothSidesDoIt™ or whatever.

 

[pmv]

How do you know they’re fraudulent until they’ve been assessed based on their merits? Can you point to any coup in history where those seeking to attain power actually followed the process within the parameters of the system itself?Trump challenged the results via the process, and his challenges have all failed. That is not a coup.

There's such a thing as a 'Constitutional coup'. I might be forgetting crucial details but as far as I can remember from the accounts I've read (including from my text books in school - school history seemed to consist of nothing but "Hitler and Stalin"), Hitler himself took power through constitutional means, technically. The most you could argue is that it was possibly the Nazis who actually torched the Reichstag, and that bit was violent and thus clearly not constitutional, but as far as I know it's still not definitively decided who did it and it's just possible it was the lone actor it appeared to be or even the communists, as the Nazis claimed.

The removal of Whitlam's government in Australia was constitutional but a very long way from democratic.

In Algeria there was a democratic vote to abolish democracy. The coup there was the army stepping in to destroy democracy in order to save it, but had the election been allowed to stand it would have led to the constitutional destruction of the democratic constitution.

All constitutions have weaknesses and loopholes that can be manipulated, sometimes with the judicious application of limited violence in key places.

 

[mikeymikec]

I answered your question based on reality.

Reality being that everything unfolds exactly as it ought to if everything was right with the world and the US didn't just tolerate four years being run by an utterly corrupt administration. Christ, how naive are you pretending to be. I give up, there's no point in talking to you.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Reality being that everything unfolds exactly as it ought to if everything was right with the world and the US didn't just tolerate four years being run by an utterly corrupt administration. Christ, how naive are you pretending to be. I give up, there's no point in talking to you.

Let’s look at reality.

Trump is going to implement a totalitarian fascist regime - stopped at every turn by the judiciary and does not have the support of the military.

Trump is going to deploy his brown shirts to intimidate polling locations - didn’t happen

Russian is going to hack our voting machines - didn’t happen

Trump’s cronies are going to break the post office and prevent mail in ballots from getting through - didn’t happen

Trump’s SCOTUS appointments are going to stage a judicial coup - nope

There’s going to be a coup - nope

My being naive is not the problem here

 

[Starbuck1975]

How many pages can two trolls drag this thread out by splitting hairs and using ridiculously dishonest arguments?

Damn, the projection is strong. Stronger than a cat fart, and those have been known to clear rooms...quickly.

Y'all sure are spending a lot of time back-and-forthing with an open fascist apologist.

When fascism is pointed out, he yawns. If there's a critique of fascism, he labels it edgy. And if all else fails, why then, BothSidesDoIt™ or whatever.

All members of concern squad now present and accounted for.

 

[NTMBK]

Let's see, what has Trump done so far?

-Tried to stop counting of votes in regions where late-counted votes tilted Democratic
-Tried to convince local government to not certify results that show he lost
-Tried to get state legislatures to throw out the electors chosen by their constituents, and appoint ones that will keep Trump in power
-Tried to get States to take bullshit cases to the Supreme Court, in the hope that the justices he appointed will overturn the election

This isn't just asking for a recount. He asked for his recounts, as he had every right to, and they all showed that he still lost. He claimed that there were electoral irregularities, and took his evidence to multiple different courts- as he had every right to- and none of the courts agreed that his evidence held up.

We're way past reasonable behaviour. He knows he lost. It's been demonstrated over and over that he lost, and any doubts have been investigated and come to nothing. He is now actively trying to overturn the will of the people, with the assistance of a large chunk of the GOP.

 

[Viper1j]

Gawd only knows what they will try next. Some of the options I predict they will try....
Using the military in some aspect.
Starting a war with another country.
Creating a nation emergency to freeze the transition.
And that is just off the top of my head.
Maybe they will use the MY PILLOW GUY using his pillows to suffocate us in our sleep?

What political, congressional, or constitutional stunt they might try we won't know until they try it. But one thing we all know for a fact.... Donald Trump WILL TRY SOMETHING and with so many congressional republicans now on board and engaged in this coup attempt they have the ability to do great damage. Great damage to America and great damage to the civility of America. Seriously, their failed attempt to overthrow the government should be more than enough justification for congress to deem Donald Trump as a danger and to remove Trump immediately before he can impose further damage. This is no longer a case of what Trump and his people might try next, this is the reality they no longer give a damn and will try anything and everything. At this point they are as wild animals trapped in a cage and there is no limit to what they will try next. Donald Trump must go NOW. We can not afford to have Donald Trump in the presidency for one more day yet along some 40 more days. Holy shit America....

How is what those " congressional republicans " did any different than what those people that planned to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer did?

The guys that went after Gretchen weren't government employees.

I can't think of a single good reason, why those assholes shouldn't be sharing a cell block in Guantánamo Bay right now.

 

[mikeymikec]

Let’s look at reality. <snip>

And you're still avoiding my question. It's not about what's going to happen, what's likely to happen, but what would you call if it Trump did manage to overturn the election results in his favour (which unless you have any compelling evidence to the contrary, call a spade a spade and that's what he said he's trying to do), because so far you've called it 'petty'.

 

[fskimospy]

Damn, the projection is strong. Stronger than a cat fart, and those have been known to clear rooms...quickly.

It is kind of incredible. In the past I was torn - not sure if he didn’t know what he was doing. Then the Portland thread happened where he deliberately manipulated a news article to cut out the parts that showed he was wrong and then lied about it. Now we know!

Starbuck knows exactly what he is doing, he’s lying to you and hoping you won’t notice.