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spidey07

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A sell high on demarco murray would be targeting a top 5-10 wide receiver, or something of that ilk. RB is extremely thin this year, value your RBs accordingly.

I'm desperate for consistent WR, they're killing me but I'm well stocked at RB
Jamal Charles - stud
Lamar Miller - lots of potential, may lose start to Bell
Joique Bell - tons of talent and reggie bush isn't 100%
Ben Tate - great talent and if Foster goes down he's a top 10 back
David Wilson - fuck him

I just can't decide who I would want or even allow to let go. Everyone but wilson is startable and my league is pure desperate for any RB that puts up any points.

Receivers will be
Fitz
Josh Gordon (if I can get off waivers, putting a $13/100 bid)
Gronkowski

Flex = TY hilton or RB (or depending what hilton does gronk goes here)

If I can get a top 10 WR I think I'd be in a really good spot as that moves gronk to the flex. Fitz is hurting me but you have to start him.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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you're gonna lose with a $13 bid. he's your #2 and your dropped him for royal?

I'll likely win and folks are pretty good at WR, just not RB. Yes, I'm a dumb ass. Don't think I've ever made a move this bad. I dropped him for royal. I was desperate at 0-2. Biggest bid so far was 12 for Jordon Cameron.

Double digit bids are rare in our league, I'm normally the one that goes over the top. More like 3-5. But if I want somebody I'll make sure I get them. I could generally guarantee I'd get him for 15-16.

Any thoughts on the quality of WR I could get for a back? I'm thinking Randall Cobb from an owner who is very weak at RB, desperate for one with bye this week and he's pretty good at WR. He was the only one on auto-draft and his team is smoking right now.

But I drafted for the long haul/championship. And I fucking let Gordon go which completely went against my draft strategy. Stupid, Stupid, short sighted IDIOT! I'm still not done kicking myself so if you would please, kick me some more.

I'm scoring 30-50 points below my projections. I don't place a lot into them, but DAMN!
 
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T2urtle

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 2004
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Can some look into Minnesota's defense projections? On mines it says 17 points. What am I missing here. I was about to drop them for kc this week. As I rotote defenses. But wtf do they know that I don't to project 17.

Pittsburgh can't be that bad. They put up 24 against the bears.
 
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dbk

Lifer
Apr 23, 2004
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don't drop KC.. they're worth a start every week

My Q: who would you start at flex out of the following three in a 0.5 ppr league?
1. Brandon Bolden vs ATL
2. Aaron Dobson vs ATL
3. Willis McGahee vs CIN

Right now I have Bolden in but I think Dobson might be a better play (especially if Gronk stays out again).
 

Adrenaline

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Jun 12, 2005
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A sell high on demarco murray would be targeting a top 5-10 wide receiver, or something of that ilk. RB is extremely thin this year, value your RBs accordingly.

I don't think RB is thin this year. I feel that with the NFL rules going the way they have, WR have become much more valuable. Grab a RB in the first round then draft other positions before grabbing your second RB unless a can't miss is there.

RB
QB / WR (alternate between the two)
QB / WR
WR
RB

You can find a starting RB in the fifth that should post decent numbers (Gore, McFadden, Mathews and Bush were there as people were scrambling for a WR. Lacy and Miller were there but have yet to see how they pan out.). With the way the rules are going, I wound up with a top 5 RB and QB along with two top 8 WR in each league just about. You struggle at RB#2 unless you get lucky (McFadden in one league and Gore in the other). There are too many RBBC in the NFL to rely on someone after about 10 RB are gone.
 
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slayer202

Lifer
Nov 27, 2005
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draft a QB later. much later. take a look at the pre-draft rankings and see what guys hover around 10-12th ranked. you can be the last person to draft a QB and still get someone solid. I used that strategy and ended up with guys like Wilson and Vick(who I had to settle for because multiple people were drafting multiple QBs for some odd reason, but it worked out). I even got Luck in a friendly work league. Or you could have gotten Romo. You're not gonna get Rodgers or Brees but after those two guys it's been very hard to predict which guys will actually play well enough to be worth a high draft pick. Better off waiting

Though I hope you all ignore my advice so I can continue to take advantage...I'm just too damn nice...
 
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I'm really scratching my head this morning. Someone in our league dropped Olsen for Fleener... o_0 It's her first year playing, so I wonder if she just doesn't fully understand how the bye's work. Her other TE is Chandler. Not sure why she didn't just play him instead this coming week.

Here's hoping I can get Olsen off waivers (dropping Bennett), but there are a few ahead of me in waiver order.
 

spidey07

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Well I got Josh Gordon back and the KC defense. My stupendous blunder is recovered but it cost me 16 bucks. Oh well. Now bring on the gronk and hope he stays healthy.

I know to think long term, but I was panicking because my team was doing so poorly. Hope I learned a valuable lesson and remember it.

I was built around stud RBs and David Wilson doing nothing hurts.
 
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chitwood

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Aug 21, 2008
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draft a QB later. much later. take a look at the pre-draft rankings and see what guys hover around 10-12th ranked. you can be the last person to draft a QB and still get someone solid. I used that strategy and ended up with guys like Wilson and Vick(who I had to settle for because multiple people were drafting multiple QBs for some odd reason, but it worked out). I even got Luck in a friendly work league. Or you could have gotten Romo. You're not gonna get Rodgers or Brees but after those two guys it's been very hard to predict which guys will actually play well enough to be worth a high draft pick. Better off waiting

Though I hope you all ignore my advice so I can continue to take advantage...I'm just too damn nice...

All this.

RBs outside of McCoy are largely inferior to WRs this year. Plus, our rosters only require one RB, two WRs, and two Flex. I waited on QB, ended up with Romo. Meanwhile I hit WR hard and early, and have Calvin, Julio, and VJax. My one early RB pick was Ridley and that already blew up in my face...
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
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I don't think RB is thin this year. I feel that with the NFL rules going the way they have, WR have become much more valuable. Grab a RB in the first round then draft other positions before grabbing your second RB unless a can't miss is there.

RB
QB / WR (alternate between the two)
QB / WR
WR
RB

You can find a starting RB in the fifth that should post decent numbers (Gore, McFadden, Mathews and Bush were there as people were scrambling for a WR. Lacy and Miller were there but have yet to see how they pan out.). With the way the rules are going, I wound up with a top 5 RB and QB along with two top 8 WR in each league just about. You struggle at RB#2 unless you get lucky (McFadden in one league and Gore in the other). There are too many RBBC in the NFL to rely on someone after about 10 RB are gone.

I went RB-WR with my first two picks most of the time this year. In one league I even took an RB in the first round, then three straight WRs before taking a second RB (then again, it was PPR so WRs are more valuable).

Thing is, your argument could be taken both ways. The prevalence of RBBCs does mean there are fewer valuable RBs... but if there are fewer valuable RBs, it makes snagging the few that are valuable that much more important.

This is part of why I like PPR, or at least half PPR scoring. It makes those shifty pass-catching third down backs more valuable and doesn't shoehorn people into taking tons of RBs early in drafts. Joique Bell is a viable matchup play in PPR even when Bush is fully healthy. Sproles is pretty unimpressive in standard, but in PPR he can rack up the equivalent of a TD just in catches.

I'm really scratching my head this morning. Someone in our league dropped Olsen for Fleener... o_0 It's her first year playing, so I wonder if she just doesn't fully understand how the bye's work. Her other TE is Chandler. Not sure why she didn't just play him instead this coming week.

Here's hoping I can get Olsen off waivers (dropping Bennett), but there are a few ahead of me in waiver order.

Yes, why would anyone want to pick up a top 10 TE?

After the egg Bennett laid last week, I don't blame him for considering a change. Olsen has been consistent, at least.s

Bennett is currently the #4 TE. Yes, that is largely thanks to his 3 TDs, but still. He's been targeted nearly as much as Olsen and doesn't have a bye this week.

I think the problem this year with TE is there are so many decent-to-good options that it's hard to justify dropping anyone, and it's hard to make room for multiple TEs when you're so desperate for bench spots to stash RBs and WRs.

Wanna know who I don't get AT ALL? Kyle Rudolph. He has almost identical stats to Zach Miller (Seahawks), yet is owned in like 80% of leagues. He's crap and will get you 2 points unless he scores a TD, which he will do maybe every other week. You'll have no idea when he's going to lay an egg. Seriously, drop this guy for anyone else.
 
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leeland

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SO...I have a nice conundrum once Gronk gets back...I have J. Cameron also...

Is it crazy to play both (one being a flex) or would you sit one of them in favor of someone like Sproles, F. Jackson or D. Richardson?
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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SO...I have a nice conundrum once Gronk gets back...I have J. Cameron also...

Is it crazy to play both (one being a flex) or would you sit one of them in favor of someone like Sproles, F. Jackson or D. Richardson?

Normally I'd go RB, but with the talent and points of those two I'd play them both.

Good problem to have.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
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SO...I have a nice conundrum once Gronk gets back...I have J. Cameron also...

Is it crazy to play both (one being a flex) or would you sit one of them in favor of someone like Sproles, F. Jackson or D. Richardson?

Hell I'd play both. If it turns out Gronk isn't going to play this week, just swap him out for Sproles.
 

T2urtle

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 2004
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don't drop KC.. they're worth a start every week

No no no. I have Minnesota D, and kc is still out there. I was going to pick up kc but I saw them.projected at 17 points for no reason maybe cause steelers do stink.
 

tHa ShIzNiT

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Feb 15, 2000
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No no no. I have Minnesota D, and kc is still out there. I was going to pick up kc but I saw them.projected at 17 points for no reason maybe cause steelers do stink.

minnesota's secondary is terrible and will *probably* get eaten up by big ben. I wouldnt risk starting them this week. I believe there's a stat saying london games are higher scoring also.
 

cheezy321

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2003
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So I have Peyton Manning and Russel Wilson in a 14 team league. I think I am going to put Russel Wilson on the trading block. What kind of player do you guys think I can get for him? There is one guy that has Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger as his QB options. I think he will go for Wilson.

Who should I propose the trade for?

Stevie Johnson
CJ Spiller
Brandon Myers
Marshawn Lynch
Miles Austin
Roddy White
Eddie Lacy
 

T2urtle

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 2004
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Is pettigrew going to be a full time blocker this year? He is hurting me big with another low scoring game. I saw another lions wr get into a car accident. Maybe he can step up. No one else is other there for me.

Only people are like celek, Chandler and Zack miller.
 

NoCreativity

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Feb 28, 2008
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Is pettigrew going to be a full time blocker this year? He is hurting me big with another low scoring game. I saw another lions wr get into a car accident. Maybe he can step up. No one else is other there for me.

Only people are like celek, Chandler and Zack miller.

Pettigrew sucks in the passing game. Find someone else, anyone else.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Have some decisions to make:

QB: Russell Wilson or Alex Smith (or a free agent)

Flex: Daryl Richardson, TY Hilton, or Stevie Johnson. I'm thinking TY might have a great game against Jacksonville.

WR: Cecil Shorts, Eddie Royal, Santana Moss, or a free agent (Thompkins, Hartline, etc.)

QB: Eli Manning or a free agent. Eli hasn't done much for my team this year. Terrelle Pryor is ranked very highly this week and he's available. The only other starters available are Manuel, Tannehill, Ponder, Locker, and Geno.
 

Adrenaline

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2005
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draft a QB later. much later. take a look at the pre-draft rankings and see what guys hover around 10-12th ranked. you can be the last person to draft a QB and still get someone solid. I used that strategy and ended up with guys like Wilson and Vick(who I had to settle for because multiple people were drafting multiple QBs for some odd reason, but it worked out). I even got Luck in a friendly work league. Or you could have gotten Romo. You're not gonna get Rodgers or Brees but after those two guys it's been very hard to predict which guys will actually play well enough to be worth a high draft pick. Better off waiting

Though I hope you all ignore my advice so I can continue to take advantage...I'm just too damn nice...

If you aren't shooting for Brees, Rodgers, Manning or maybe Brady (until the first three games this year) then by all means wait. I have waited before for Romo or even Stafford.

I wouldn't go crazy and draft Romo in the second or third round, but with the league catering to passers, they are moving up in general. If you plan on shooting for a middle round QB then by all means do it.

Top scorers in standard leagues:

Week 1 Peyton
Week 2 Rodgers
Week 3 Brees

They are viable to be drafted that high, but I would not over value anyone at the QB position.
 

Adrenaline

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Jun 12, 2005
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All this.

RBs outside of McCoy are largely inferior to WRs this year. Plus, our rosters only require one RB, two WRs, and two Flex. I waited on QB, ended up with Romo. Meanwhile I hit WR hard and early, and have Calvin, Julio, and VJax. My one early RB pick was Ridley and that already blew up in my face...

I have gone RB, WR, WR, WR then QB / RB the next two rounds. It has paid off in the past, but I got Romo or someone of that caliber which was not a bad thing at all.
 

Adrenaline

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I went RB-WR with my first two picks most of the time this year. In one league I even took an RB in the first round, then three straight WRs before taking a second RB (then again, it was PPR so WRs are more valuable).

Thing is, your argument could be taken both ways. The prevalence of RBBCs does mean there are fewer valuable RBs... but if there are fewer valuable RBs, it makes snagging the few that are valuable that much more important.

This is part of why I like PPR, or at least half PPR scoring. It makes those shifty pass-catching third down backs more valuable and doesn't shoehorn people into taking tons of RBs early in drafts. Joique Bell is a viable matchup play in PPR even when Bush is fully healthy. Sproles is pretty unimpressive in standard, but in PPR he can rack up the equivalent of a TD just in catches.

I feel with the RBBC you have to put a premium on your second and third round picks. If a RB that is guaranteed snaps is there then grab him. With the way the league rules are headed, I would draft two high WR for sure. I drafted high WR in one league and it was nice.

The question I posed to myself when drafting is where do the RBs start to blend together at? I tend to see this happen around midway through round 2. The tier of RBs left just starts to mesh and can be waited if you do not get who you want.