Is this the official 2013 Fantasy Football thread?

[pyonir]

I don't think AP can duplicate his year last year. I don't know how he did it with that offense there in Minn but at least he had Percy Harvin at the beginning of the year as the only other offensive threat. Defenses in the NFC north will have learned and punish AP this year

AD had 957 yards in games 1-9 in which Harvin played. 1140 yards game 10 and later, with no Harvin. Teams already started putting 8, 9, 10 guys in the box, and it still didn't matter. 944 of his yards came in the 6 games against NFC North defenses.

The Vikings had zero quality receivers last year (save Harvin, but he only played 9 games). This year they have Jennings, Patterson (who, I admit is still raw so who knows) and they start the year with Jerome Simpson who was suspended for 4 games last year and now has an extra off season to work with the offense.

Of course all that depends on Ponder. Add into all of that, that defenses are set up now to stop the pass...not the run.

My point being to say that defenses were trying to punish AD last year, and he got stronger. If you think he'll rush for less than 1500 yards, you're crazy.

 

[AstroManLuca]

AD had 957 yards in games 1-9 in which Harvin played. 1140 yards game 10 and later, with no Harvin. Teams already started putting 8, 9, 10 guys in the box, and it still didn't matter. 944 of his yards came in the 6 games against NFC North defenses.

The Vikings had zero quality receivers last year (save Harvin, but he only played 9 games). This year they have Jennings, Patterson (who, I admit is still raw so who knows) and they start the year with Jerome Simpson who was suspended for 4 games last year and now has an extra off season to work with the offense.

Of course all that depends on Ponder. Add into all of that, that defenses are set up now to stop the pass...not the run.

My point being to say that defenses were trying to punish AD last year, and he got stronger. If you think he'll rush for less than 1500 yards, you're crazy.

And really, Harvin played very little in week 9 against the Seahawks. And AD had 182 rushing yards in that game, so it makes things even more lopsided.

I've heard people try to spin things both ways. If an RB is on a team with a bad passing offense, then you can say defenses will stack the box against him or you can say he'll succeed because he's the only offensive threat. If he's on a team with a good passing offense, then you can either say it'll take pressure off him or you can say that the other players are taking away offensive production. It cuts both ways in both situations and you cannot possibly generalize. You have to look at who is actually on the team and how the offense operates.

AD may not repeat his amazing season, but to say he won't be effective is lunacy. Teams TRIED to stop him. He faced more 8- and 9-man fronts than any other RB, yet he led the league in yards after contact. No one could bring him down or bottle him up. He is in no danger of being in part of any sort of RB timeshare and the only way he won't be a top 5 fantasy RB is if he gets injured.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, I know, as soon as Harvin went down, teams really started stacking the box and totally reduced AP's effectiveness.

Oh wait, that's exactly the opposite of what happened. AP was averaging about 100 yards per game WITH Harvin, and then went beast mode and averaged over 160 yards a game WITHOUT him.

Expert analysis there champ.

yeah, but AP was a rookie last year, so obviously the NFC North will suddenly adjust and contain him, making him a one and done athlete....


oh, wait.

 

[AMDZen]

You guys are putting words in my mouth. I never said AP wouldn't be effective, just that he won't have anywhere close to the season he did last year. And that also, Foster could have a better season. Based on the last 3 years, there is a good chance it will happen.

The argument I made was drafting Foster over AP, and the stats back me up based on the last 3 years. Anything can happen, but Ben Tate was there each of the 3 years and was supposedly the #1 back the first year Foster took his job. So saying Ben Tate will be more of a factor this year is just hypothesis since it hasn't been true before now. And when Foster was down, Ben Tate wasn't as effective as Foster so we have sample size on that too.

Of course, in my auction league I don't care since I have both of them.

 

[slayer202]

Again, we're predicting 2013 numbers, not 2010 thru 2012

past performance is not the whole story...

 

[Gunslinger08]

Had two drafts tonight. I don't really love either one.

Team 1:
QB: Russell Wilson
WR: Brandon Marshall
WR: Danny Amendola
WR: Cecil Shorts
RB: Doug Martin
RB: Chris Johnson
TE: Vernon Davis
K: Justin Tucker
D: JJ Watts
D: James Laurinaitis
DB: Morgan Burnett
DB: Eric Weddle
BN: Sidney Rice
BN: Giovani Bernard
BN: Santana Moss
BN: Danny Woodhead
BN: Joe Flacco

Team 2:
QB: Eli Manning
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Danny Amendola
WR: Wes Welker
RB: Trent Richardson
RB: Chris Johnson
TE: Tony Gonzalez
K: Dan Bailey
DEF: San Francisco
BN: Josh Gordon
BN: Danny Woodhead
BN: Giovani Bernard
BN: Justin Blackmon
BN: Jacoby Jones
BN: Nick Foles

 

[Krazy4Real]

Could you guys do me a favor and rate my draft?

1. (1) Adrian Peterson (Min - RB)
2. (20) Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
3. (21) A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
4. (40) DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB)
5. (41) Danny Amendola (NE - WR)
6. (60) Andrew Luck (Ind - QB)
7. (61) T.Y. Hilton (Ind - WR)
8. (80) Martellus Bennett (Chi - TE)
9. (81) Giovani Bernard (Cin - RB)
10. (100) Jermichael Finley (GB - TE)
11. (101) Mohamed Sanu (Cin - WR)
12. (120) Russell Wilson (Sea - QB)
13. (121) Rueben Randle (NYG - WR)
14. (140) Baltimore (Bal - DEF)
15. (141) Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)

 

[brainhulk]

Could you guys do me a favor and rate my draft?

1. (1) Adrian Peterson (Min - RB)
2. (20) Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
3. (21) A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
4. (40) DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB)
5. (41) Danny Amendola (NE - WR)
6. (60) Andrew Luck (Ind - QB)
7. (61) T.Y. Hilton (Ind - WR)
8. (80) Martellus Bennett (Chi - TE)
9. (81) Giovani Bernard (Cin - RB)
10. (100) Jermichael Finley (GB - TE)
11. (101) Mohamed Sanu (Cin - WR)
12. (120) Russell Wilson (Sea - QB)
13. (121) Rueben Randle (NYG - WR)
14. (140) Baltimore (Bal - DEF)
15. (141) Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)

Stud rb1 and 2. How did forte drop that low? Lol Stud wr 1 and 2 if amendola can stay healthy. I don't know how I feel about ty hilton anymore since they def are putting dhb as the #2 in indy.

I think finley will do better than bennet.

Awesome team

 

[vi edit]

Had two drafts tonight. I don't really love either one.

Amendola is a major injury risk. Seems like he's been out half a season the last couple years for various injuries. If he goes down you are out your WR2 in both leagues. Same thing with CJ2k. If he sucks ass you are hurting in both leagues again.

That's one of the quirky things about having multiple fantasy teams.

 

[BudAshes]

Is anyone else against the 4 pts for passing touchdowns? I hate that qb's are so inconsequential in fantasy football. They are the most important player on the team so why aren't they the most important player on your fantasy team?

 

[BudAshes]

Amendola is a major injury risk. Seems like he's been out half a season the last couple years for various injuries. If he goes down you are out your WR2 in both leagues. Same thing with CJ2k. If he sucks ass you are hurting in both leagues again.

That's one of the quirky things about having multiple fantasy teams.

Yeah I have him in a league and I'm already just praying he stays healthy so I can trade him by week 4.

 

[KeithTalent]

Is anyone else against the 4 pts for passing touchdowns? I hate that qb's are so inconsequential in fantasy football. They are the most important player on the team so why aren't they the most important player on your fantasy team?

They still outscore everyone in those fantasy leagues, at least the top ones do, by a good margin. In a standard league Brees had 337 points and Peterson had 297.

I don't really see the need for 6 point TDs, though I do kind of like two QB leagues to make them a bit more scarce.

KT

 

[NoCreativity]

I drafted two teams over the weekend with a 3rd draft tomorrow. Here is one of the drafts:

Drafted in the 5th spot, 18 rounds as we start two flex spots and an extra BE:

Doug Martin RB
Alfred Morris RB
Julio Jones WR
Andre Johnson WR
David Wilson RB
Victor Cruz WR
Robert Griffin III QB
Ahmad Bradshaw RB
Pierre Garcon WR
Andrew Luck QB
Owen Daniels TE
Andre Brown RB
Brandon Myers TE
Ronnie Hillman RB
Vincent Brown WR
Le'Veon Bell RB
Bengals D/ST D/ST
Matt Prater K

A lot of you will ask how Morris was still on the board, the answer is that everyone took a run at QB's early - buncha n00bs took Rodgers, Brees and Brady - meanwhile I got RG3 in the 7th and Andrew Luck in the 10th. LOLOLOL

Of course, in my auction league I don't care since I have both of them.

Either you are playing in 4 person leagues or playing against the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

 

[AMDZen]

Could you guys do me a favor and rate my draft?

1. (1) Adrian Peterson (Min - RB)
2. (20) Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
3. (21) A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
4. (40) DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB)
5. (41) Danny Amendola (NE - WR)
6. (60) Andrew Luck (Ind - QB)
7. (61) T.Y. Hilton (Ind - WR)
8. (80) Martellus Bennett (Chi - TE)
9. (81) Giovani Bernard (Cin - RB)
10. (100) Jermichael Finley (GB - TE)
11. (101) Mohamed Sanu (Cin - WR)
12. (120) Russell Wilson (Sea - QB)
13. (121) Rueben Randle (NYG - WR)
14. (140) Baltimore (Bal - DEF)
15. (141) Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)

I would give that draft a B+ grade, only lacking really at TE but one of Bennett or Finley could be better than I expect them to be in which case it would be an A-

Good draft :thumbsup:

 

[AMDZen]

Either you are playing in 4 person leagues or playing against the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

Actually, you are an idiot and probably didn't read that I explicitly said that was an "AUCTION" league, and it was a 12 person auction league with other competent players. That team is lacking in several areas, but I liked it over all

Hillman as my flex? Some would argue that I spent way too much on Foster and Peterson which accounted for around 110 of my 200 dollars

 

[Krazy4Real]

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

 

[eits]

Andre Brown - broken leg

So glad I didn't pick him.

 

[leeland]

What is your guys strategy in a PPR league (12 team) where you have to select in the second half of the draft (I have the 11th pick).

I planned on the first pick either being a stud WR or a second tier RB...and then based on my first pick get the other...

I also was tossing around getting two RB's and then following that up with WR's / TE's with my next three.

It is standard scoring via yahoo, full point PPR.

Just looking for insight because I am at a cross roads...90% what falls to me but still wanted input.

Danke!

 

[AMDZen]

PPR or no PPR u still need to go RB in the first round. The depth at WR is a ton better then what it is at RB

 

[vi edit]

What is your guys strategy in a PPR league (12 team) where you have to select in the second half of the draft (I have the 11th pick).

It just really depends on what is available at that time. I did a 12 man draft and picked 7th. I had Doug Martin and Lesean McCoy fall to me. In your league there's a chance that Matt Forte might be on the board still, I'd probably target him in a PPR and maybe Chris Johnson on the swing.

Next two I'd be looking at WR's. TE can wait a bit. Once Jimmy Graham is off the board there's not *a lot* of value out there. I have no faith in Gronk staying healthy. Gates is a shell of his former self. Witten is getting up there in age. Greg Olsen can be picked up later and is a good pick. Romo is still a solid fantasy QB and can be had into the 7th rounds in many leagues.

 

[leeland]

It just really depends on what is available at that time. I did a 12 man draft and picked 7th. I had Doug Martin and Lesean McCoy fall to me. In your league there's a chance that Matt Forte might be on the board still, I'd probably target him in a PPR and maybe Chris Johnson on the swing.

Next two I'd be looking at WR's. TE can wait a bit. Once Jimmy Graham is off the board there's not *a lot* of value out there. I have no faith in Gronk staying healthy. Gates is a shell of his former self. Witten is getting up there in age. Greg Olsen can be picked up later and is a good pick. Romo is still a solid fantasy QB and can be had into the 7th rounds in many leagues.

That was my mode of thinking...


2 RB's right away...then WR's or possibly a top tier QB if it falls to me for some reason.

I don't plan on drafting a QB until after the 6th round but if something is there I might bite.

I go 50/50 so much on getting two RB's vs a stud RB and a stud WR if I can but I see what you mean that starting RB's are hard to come by and the odds of landing a sunrise pick at RB are vary rare.

 

[MetalMat]

12 team standard scoring

QB: Andrew Luck
RB: Marshawn Lynch, Alfred Morris
WR: Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne
TE: Jared Cook
Flex: Jordy Nelson
K: Josh Brown
DST: Browns
Bench: Rob Gronkowski, Steve Smith, Daryl Richardson, Chris Ivory, Vincent Brown, Josh Freeman

 

[MetalMat]

That was my mode of thinking...


2 RB's right away...then WR's or possibly a top tier QB if it falls to me for some reason.

I don't plan on drafting a QB until after the 6th round but if something is there I might bite.

I go 50/50 so much on getting two RB's vs a stud RB and a stud WR if I can but I see what you mean that starting RB's are hard to come by and the odds of landing a sunrise pick at RB are vary rare.

Either RB,WR or RB,RB is fine. Personally I would go RB then WR if the league is set up with 3x WR and 2x RB with no flex. With a flex spot I would go RB,RB.

It would be hard to pass up one of those top receivers that might be available at the 14th pick (probably not Calvin but Green or Bryant could be) but I would not blame you.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Is anyone else against the 4 pts for passing touchdowns? I hate that qb's are so inconsequential in fantasy football. They are the most important player on the team so why aren't they the most important player on your fantasy team?

The problem isn't the scoring, it's the depth of the position. There's no scarcity of QBs like there is with RBs. Massage the scoring all you want, the actual difference in points from the #1 guy to the #12 guy isn't that large at the end of the year.

If you really want to make QBs worthwhile, try a 2 QB league. All of a sudden, you go from drafting a single QB as a late afterthought to having to keep 3 on your roster (since you can't easily pick up a competent backup for your bye week). And it allows you to try many strategies - do you take two stud QBs early? One good one and wait on your second? Wait anyway and draft studs at the other positions while everyone else takes QBs?

 

[Imported]

My 20-man league team. 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1DEF 1K, 5BN and 20 teams..

1.(10)Trent Richardson  (Cle - RB)
2.(31)David Wilson  (NYG - RB)
3.(50)Torrey Smith(Bal - WR)
4.(71)Steve Smith(Car - WR)
5.(90)Jermichael Finley(GB - TE)
6.(111)Kenbrell Thompkins(NE - WR)
7.(130)Josh Freeman(TB - QB)
8.(151)Joique Bell(Det - RB)
9.(170)Christine Michael(Sea - RB)
10.(191)Terrelle Pryor(Oak - QB)
11.(210)Keenan Allen(SD - WR)
12.(231)Washington(Was - DEF)
13.(250)Greg Zuerlein(StL - K)

Yahoo gave me a B.