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You've missed it entirely. Yeah, you're not being forced to purchase gas, but paying for goods or services and not receiving those goods or services can be a cause for a court case.
Just because you aren't forced to pay for gas doesn't mean that they aren't forced to give you your f'ing change for gas you didn't buy. Witholding someone's money because you don't posess the ability to refund money does not make it right. Do you think the gas station would let him come back a week later and get his $8 of gas? :roll:
Yeah, they can have just about any type policy they want. Don't like it? Go to a gas station that treats its customers better.
I filled up at a gas station at an interstate exit in Greensboro, NC once and the total came to about $30. I went inside to pay and only had a couple of $100 bills and less than $15 in smaller bills. I gave them one of the 100's and they said they couldn't change it. They did not accept anything larger than a 50. I told them I didn't have it in smaller bills and they made me stand around and wait for about 20 minutes until they "took in" enough im smaller bills to make change. I find it hard to believe that a busy gas station at an interstate exit in the middle of the day did not have $70 in bills. I think they just made me wait around to "punish" me for not following their policy. :|
Fine. Get $40 of dollars. Go into the station and buy a dollar's worth of gas. Go out and fill it. Go back in and buy another dollar's worth of gas. Go out and fill it. Repeat until the attendant gets pissed and agrees to give you your change.
Alternatively, when he gives you that story about you not getting your change back, stare at him for a while, then pick up your cellphone. "Hello, Police Department? Yes, I've got something to report..."
I've seen stations where you can pre-select the amount you put in, to save the effort of squeezing out the even amount required, but pre-paying?
Did they not make it known to the OP? Oh, they did. If the OP didn't like their policy, he should have taken his business elsewhere (and he did).
At numerous places I've worked, we have to drop all denominations over $20 into a time-released safe after receiving them.
On top of that, most change drawers will get a till of $100 in these establishments. If they give you all the cash they have in the drawer, WTF are they supposed to do when someone needs change for a $10 or $20?
What if they just cashed out the drawer, or did a money drop?
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Incorrect. They have to accept coins as well. However, there is a maximum amount of coins they are required to accept.
For example: $2.00 paid in quarters is required to be accepted, while $2.00 paid in pennies may not be required to be accepted.
The relevant laws:
Regarding the status of coins as legal tender:
"The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage
Act of 1965, specifically Section 102. This is now found in section 392 of
Title 31 of the United States Code. The law says that: 'All coins and currencies
of the United States (including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of
Federal Reserve banks and national banking associations) . . . shall be
legal-tender for all debts, public and private, public charges, taxes, duties and dues.'
This statute means that all United States money as identified above are
a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.
There is, however, no Federal law mandating that a person or organization
must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services.
For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills.
In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse
to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter
of policy."
Regarding the requirement that payments be "reasonable":
"In order to be effective, a "tender" must not only be "legal," it must
be reasonable in time, place, and manner. So, for example, you can't
go to the dentist's office at 2:00 a.m., shout "I've got your money,"
wave some bills, and then walk away and keep the money when no one
answers.
On the reasonableness of using pennies to pay a debt, I have found at
least one court that agreed that a tender of 12,300 pennies (which was
refused) did not discharge a debt of $123.00.
'Appellant contends that since United States coins are defined in 31
U.S. CA 5103 as legal tender 'for all debts, public charges taxes and
dues" they can be tendered in any amount, here 12,300 pennies, which
the clerk is required to accept. It defies logic and common sense that
this Congress intended such a wooden and broad application of the
statute beyond any control of the payee regardless of circumstances.'
Ohio v. Carroll, 1997 Ohio App. Lexis 928 (4th App. Dist., 3/13/1997)."
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ZV
I could understand that if this was at 3 AM or one of those places with the guy in a booth taking the money, but this was the middle of a workday in a convenince store/restaurant/gas station combo place. Kind of hard for me to believe they didn't have the change on hand.
Originally posted by: snoturtle
I probably would have to told him to go ahead and call the cops
I can't see how it would be legal
sounds like a bunch of crap trying to rip people off
Unless I had a lot to do, I would have waited for the cops, too.
I do that quite a bit. If I put the card in at the pump, but the n it tells me to see cashier and/or declines the card, I go to another station. I k now the funds are good--I don't need the hassle of going inside, waiting in line, etc.
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Originally posted by: Turkish
You got robbed buddy. A similar thing happened to me a few years back. I was driving from Blacksburg, VA to Erie, PA and had to stop by at this gas station in a West Virginia town (can't remember the name). Anyways, so I insert and remove my card and it said something similar to "Cannot read card". After a few tries, I gave up and went inside to see if the POS (that's really what they are called) inside can read it. Anyways, we gave it a try and it read it, so the guy asked me how much I wanted. I told him I didn't know, I just wanted to fill up the whole tank as my drive was still another 5-6 hours. He told me I had to pay in $10 increments and I had to give him a number first. I was confused, but I thought maybe he is doing this because he thinks I am going to driveoff as I am a foreigner (and mind you, I have a perfect English accent, he must have looked at my name on the card). So I told him I want $30 (gas was much cheaper those days, lol). As I was proceeding towards the door, he told me to make sure my tank can hold $30 cause he cannot give me change. I stopped there, turned around, looked at him, and asked him "You cannot give me change?" He said "No, its our policy". So I asked to see his supervisor (this was a kid at most 18 years old, so there had to be someone supervising him). He told me he was the only one in there and I should either tell him how much I want to charge on the card or leave before he calls the cops. So I pulled my bullsh!t card on him and said, "Go ahead and call the cops, as you do, I am calling my father, who is an attorney for the blah blah consumer foundation". That got him in line
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ut of :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:this happened to me at a 7/11. however, they said they had to wait a few minutes before they could get the change. i was paying with a $100 for some hotdogs and a soda. I didn't have enough in loose change to pay for them and only had that large bill. There's no reason the gas station couldn't have waited until they could open the drawer and get the change.
That would be just like you buying something from me via paypal and saying "i don't have enough to send the whole amount but here's what i can send and if you don't accept i'm calling the police!'
how would that make sense? lol
there aren't many places that accept payment afterwards but amen to those that do. mad people are driving off without paying? get some security cameras for cryin out loud!
if the machine inside works there should be no reason the one outside doesn't work. they are all linked to the register. right?
Originally posted by: quasarsky
this happened to me at a 7/11. however, they said they had to wait a few minutes before they could get the change. i was paying with a $100 for some hotdogs and a soda. I didn't have enough in loose change to pay for them and only had that large bill. There's no reason the gas station couldn't have waited until they could open the drawer and get the change.
That would be just like you buying something from me via paypal and saying "i don't have enough to send the whole amount but here's what i can send and if you don't accept i'm calling the police!'
how would that make sense? lol
there aren't many places that accept payment afterwards but amen to those that do. mad people are driving off without paying? get some security cameras for cryin out loud!
Do you understand what the meaning of "time-release safe" is? It's not a safe that opens every 5 mintues. It's a safe that opens up at very specific times, or only with the District Manager's and Store Manager's Key when used together. Or the Armored Trucks' Key + Store Manager's Key.
Also, if the gas station doesn't have the bills, whats the difference if they open the drawer or not?
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Yet you'll go to the hassle of driving to a different station?
ZV
i did that once because they saw me, i tried to pay outside and it wasn't working, and they were like 'yes the outside one works but everyone has to pay inside' WTF. screw that
and for everyone saying pay $30 and get more gas later, the point is you should be able to fill up and not have to worry about getting the last few bucks of gas you need by stoping somewhere else, andyou always should get your change. sucks when people who work by themselves get a total attitude for no reason. especially at gas stations.
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