Is this article racist?

[Vic]

It's not racist. For one thing, being Hispanic is not a race, it is an ethnicity. Hispanics can be of ANY race. This is btw the official position of the US government. So to label it racist is simply to prove your ignorance.

The article does, however, make overly broad generalizations regarding the cultural differences that could be construed as unfair, biased, and prejudiced.

 

[0roo0roo]

its true the local paper recently published dropout rates by race too. asians were not high drop out risks obviously even less so than white kids.

its just annoying how in every race based education discussion ignores asians. its like we are inconvenient. its as if you can't learn anything from the success of asians. better to concentrate on the oppression of people of color and such conspiracies, cuz that way latinos and blacks avoid all blame. no need to change, just blame someone else. you can't make political hay or push your cultural education agenda if you acknowledge the success of another minority with the current system.

 

[Darthvoy]

I've been to Alhambra and it is like 90% percent chinese population. At my High School it was mostly Hispanics and White in the AP and advance classes. You gotta take that into account.

 

[torpid]

There is a legitimate gripe with the paragraph about parental involvement. You cannot make a statement like that without any supporting evidence. The way it is written, it is stated as a factual generalization about hispanic parents. This is an unacceptable tone as written and does seem based on bias merely because there is no further elaboration on the point nor credence lent to the statement in any way.

The rest of the article is well-written and generally bias-free, though not very useful since the analysis of the "real problem" is given without any evidence, and as such the conclusions on what to do about it are totally meaningless.

 

[Kadarin]

It's also not politically correct to point out any cultural disadvantage any given race has that is the fault of the behavior of that race. Unless the race is white, of course.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: styrafoam
Using a racial stereotype like "lazy latino parents" and going even further by stating that it would be a waste of time to try to help these parents because most wouldn't be willing or able to put time into their children is pretty out there.

Tackling the issue in a school newspaper is probably a bad idea. One race patting themselves on the back while pointing out the shortcomings of another in a state funded publication probably won't make many people happy reguardless of the subject.

Very good point.

I think the writer tried to tackle too much.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: DrPizza

It's not a matter of ability - that's been demonstrated in plenty of studies.

This is a point of contention though, as numerous tests throughout the years have pointed out that there is in fact a difference in cognitive ability among races. Not every race has the same average IQ. It varies substantially along racial lines.

Whether you want to test the IQ's of 5 year olds who just started school, 15 year olds, SAT scores or aptitude scores of adults, there are very consistent differences among races. Of course people will try to present a politically correct reason for all of this, but if you look at SAT scores or any other mental aptitude test you will find that the scores closely follow the average IQ of that group. The group with the highest IQ consistently gets the highest SAT scores, ACT scores, just about every score.

This isn't politically correct to talk about, but it is true.

Sshhh!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

WHAAAAAWHAAAAWAWAWA!!!

Truth hurts doesn't it? If you don't like the fact that your kids aren't doing well in school then do something about it! Maybe you should have taught them English and pushed them to study harder! Biotches!

Don't come crying to me screaming racism when someone points out the simple facts though.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: DrPizza

It's not a matter of ability - that's been demonstrated in plenty of studies.

This is a point of contention though, as numerous tests throughout the years have pointed out that there is in fact a difference in cognitive ability among races. Not every race has the same average IQ. It varies substantially along racial lines.

Whether you want to test the IQ's of 5 year olds who just started school, 15 year olds, SAT scores or aptitude scores of adults, there are very consistent differences among races. Of course people will try to present a politically correct reason for all of this, but if you look at SAT scores or any other mental aptitude test you will find that the scores closely follow the average IQ of that group. The group with the highest IQ consistently gets the highest SAT scores, ACT scores, just about every score.

This isn't politically correct to talk about, but it is true.

Sshhh!!

Being Hispanic is NOT a race. This is fact. So you can't talk about racial differences when discussing Hispanics, as a Hispanic can be of any race. In fact, Hispanics by and large come from two entirely separate races, those being European (white) and Native American (American Indian).

 

[Nithin]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: Mrvile
Asians generally use cable or DSL internet while hispanics hook up wires to hamster wheels and tell them to run like they're crossing the border.

I laughed at that. I felt bad, but I laughed at it.

 

[Amused]

Attacking a culture is NOT racism.

Unless, of course, Latinos are claiming the sh!tty parenting in their communities IS inherent, and they can't help it. :roll:

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Vic

Being Hispanic is NOT a race. This is fact. So you can't talk about racial differences when discussing Hispanics, as a Hispanic can be of any race. In fact, Hispanics by and large come from two entirely separate races, those being European (white) and Native American (American Indian).

I don't know if you're referring to me or the people crying racism about the article, but I'll explain my post anyway.

I was mostly referring to Asians, who excel at mathematics and consistently get the highest IQ scores of any race. As a result, they also get the highest SAT scores, and just about any other test scores.

If you were to extract different ethnic groups from the races and test individual groups, Ashkenazic Jewish people from Eastern Europe would score the highest of all.

I'm neither Asian nor Jewish so I'm not biased and putting myself on top.

 

[Red Dawn]

Give Asians a generation or two in the US and they'll be as big as slackers as the rest of the American population.

 

[amoeba]

another reason for asian american scholastic success can be attributed to the immigration requirements for many asians to enter the US.

often, current generation asian american high school students are the children of parents who came to the US on grants and grad school student visas or H1-B work visas, thus the less competent asian students don't really show up here that often.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Give Asians a generation or two in the US and they'll be as big as slackers as the rest of the American population.

I don't agree. Its been quite a few generations and somehow I don't see this happen. While the number of asian slackers might increase due to general population increase, I think you will still see a disproportionate number of asians at the top.

 

[Sqube]

It's not racist. Whoever wrote the article has apparently never heard of "tact", but that's besides the point.

It's probably accurate, but it's currently in very poor taste (to put it mildly) to insinuate in any way, shape or form that there are differences between how anybody does in any field, no matter what. Ever.

So even if what was said is stone cold truth, you get bashed for saying it because you're not supposed to say things like that. You know, everybody's a winner, all that happy horsesh!t.

That's whole "You're a winner no matter what" attitude is really starting to piss me off. If we were more realistic, and our teachers were able to tell kids that they screwed up without getting sued by stupid parents for "mental anguish", we'd probably be a lot better off.

</rant>

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Vic

Being Hispanic is NOT a race. This is fact. So you can't talk about racial differences when discussing Hispanics, as a Hispanic can be of any race. In fact, Hispanics by and large come from two entirely separate races, those being European (white) and Native American (American Indian).

I don't know if you're referring to me or the people crying racism about the article, but I'll explain my post anyway.

I was mostly referring to Asians, who excel at mathematics and consistently get the highest IQ scores of any race. As a result, they also get the highest SAT scores, and just about any other test scores.

If you were to extract different ethnic groups from the races and test individual groups, Ashkenazic Jewish people from Eastern Europe would score the highest of all.

I'm neither Asian nor Jewish so I'm not biased and putting myself on top.

i don't think you understand. vic is saying hispanics are not really a race because it refers to a group of people of different races. some hispanics are blond haired and very fair skinned. like in argentina. some are darker and have more native american feature, like mexican. and what about peru? is the japanese-peruvian minority there hispanic or asian? which is it? that's why vic was dismissing your argument.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Hammer

i don't think you understand. vic is saying hispanics are not really a race because it refers to a group of people of different races. some hispanics are blond haired and very fair skinned. like in argentina. some are darker and have more native american feature, like mexican. and what about peru? is the japanese-peruvian minority there hispanic or asian? which is it? that's why vic was dismissing your argument.

I perfectly understood the point he was making. I just wasn't sure if his rebuttal was directed at me, for my previous post, or for those who were crying racism.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Give Asians a generation or two in the US and they'll be as big as slackers as the rest of the American population.

I don't agree. Its been quite a few generations and somehow I don't see this happen. While the number of asian slackers might increase due to general population increase, I think you will still see a disproportionate number of asians at the top.

Eh? I see very few Asians in the uppermost reaches of Western society. Politics, acting, science etc. On average they are above average but as far as the top level goes they really haven't made a dent. Unless you consider Indians Asians, which unfortunately many people do here.

I really don't like this ubermensche idea lot of Asians have as well... "We are smarter on average than Whites, Indians, Arabs etc.!!!"

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Eh? I see very few Asians in the uppermost reaches of Western society. Politics, acting, science etc. On average they are above average but as far as the top level goes they really haven't made a dent.

Take a look at NASA. Or the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Give Asians a generation or two in the US and they'll be as big as slackers as the rest of the American population.

I don't agree. Its been quite a few generations and somehow I don't see this happen. While the number of asian slackers might increase due to general population increase, I think you will still see a disproportionate number of asians at the top.

i'm asian, i'm a slacker, and i'm still at the top. so SCREW YOU ALL.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Sqube
It's not racist. Whoever wrote the article has apparently never heard of "tact", but that's besides the point.

It's probably accurate, but it's currently in very poor taste (to put it mildly) to insinuate in any way, shape or form that there are differences between how anybody does in any field, no matter what. Ever.

So even if what was said is stone cold truth, you get bashed for saying it because you're not supposed to say things like that. You know, everybody's a winner, all that happy horsesh!t.

That's whole "You're a winner no matter what" attitude is really starting to piss me off. If we were more realistic, and our teachers were able to tell kids that they screwed up without getting sued by stupid parents for "mental anguish", we'd probably be a lot better off.

</rant>

How is it stone cold truth? The test score gap is stone cold truth. The reason offered for the gap is speculation and opinion, not stone cold truth.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Eh? I see very few Asians in the uppermost reaches of Western society. Politics, acting, science etc. On average they are above average but as far as the top level goes they really haven't made a dent.

Take a look at NASA. Or the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Take a look at the UN, or the US government, or the Western acting business. Other than the standard cookie cutter martial arts flicks there are very few serious movies with Asians in them.

As for NASA -

http://www.nwasianweekly.com/editorial/lau.24.04.htm

"Very few Asians are managers, even though plenty of Asian scientists work there. In his field, the ?glass ceiling? remains an issue."

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Give Asians a generation or two in the US and they'll be as big as slackers as the rest of the American population.

I don't agree. Its been quite a few generations and somehow I don't see this happen. While the number of asian slackers might increase due to general population increase, I think you will still see a disproportionate number of asians at the top.

Eh? I see very few Asians in the uppermost reaches of Western society. Politics, acting, science etc. On average they are above average but as far as the top level goes they really haven't made a dent. Unless you consider Indians Asians, which unfortunately many people do here.

I really don't like this ubermensche idea lot of Asians have as well... "We are smarter on average than Whites, Indians, Arabs etc.!!!"

No one said anything about Ubermensch. When I said at the top I meant academically. In the arena of science, there are a lot of Asians at the top and unless if you are referring to american Indians, Indians are included in my definition of Asian.

As long as each progressive generation of Asians keep the old tradition of pushing their kids more than other races academically then you will see the same disproportionate number of asian kids at the top academically.

Of course there isn't that many asians in politics or acting. Asians typically have a general distrust of politicians and have very low political activism.

Acting is not seen as a "successful career" by many asian parents and thus is not encouraged either.

Its the same reason you don't see any asian pop stars. But you see a lot of asian classical musicians.

And your comment on lack of scientists at the top is really lacking. How many top scientists do you know? Hawkings? is that it?

Go to any premier science or engineering department in this country and see what percentage of the professors are Asian.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Eh? I see very few Asians in the uppermost reaches of Western society. Politics, acting, science etc. On average they are above average but as far as the top level goes they really haven't made a dent.

Take a look at NASA. Or the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Take a look at the UN, or the US government, or the Western acting business. Other than the standard cookie cutter martial arts flicks there are very few serious movies with Asians in them.

Stop bringing up Western acting business. How many caucasian actors are in Films in Asia?

you are the one with the ubermensch ideology if you are only using Western movies as a mark of success.

And even in Western Movies, ideas are increasingly taken from asian film. Look at the recent influx of Japanese horror to american films.

Look at the influence of HK gangster cinema on Tarantino. Look at the influence of Ghost in the Shell and anime in general on the Matrix.