Is there any such thing as a religious hot deal?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: crobusa

oh btw, Bibles are NOT otherwise free. they cost money. they are offered for free by some people. hence IT IS A HOT DEAL. refer a few posts above.

Bibles may cost something to produce, but it's a common practice for them to be given away. They have small street value, and serve little purpose other then to prosletyze. Would you have no objection of HD is flooded with Korans, Buddist texts, Satanic Bibles, and Athiest's manifestos? Would you honsistly call those hot deals?

yes I would call them HD, not for me, but for someone. Does a hd have to be a hd for EVERYONE?

Is something that can be had almost always for free really a Hot Deal?

 

[przero]

So where we are at here is you find it offensive - Ban it?

The rule should be simple - You don't like it or need it? Don't click on it! Simple!

 

[przero]

Red- link me to some free Bibles

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: przero
Red- link me to some free Bibles

You mean you can't get one for free by just asking a Missionary?

 

[przero]

Naw, I have never been offered a Bible by a Missionary. I bought all mine. That's why free Bibles are a hot deal. But in fairness the deal should be posted on it's merit alone and leave the preaching to an OT thread. It's the rude behavior that needs to be banned, not the subjects of the deals.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: przero
Naw, I have never been offered a Bible by a Missionary. I bought all mine. That's why free Bibles are a hot deal. But in fairness the deal should be posted on it's merit alone and leave the preaching to an OT thread. It's the rude behavior that needs to be banned, not the subjects of the deals.

I guess they have an Atheist Detector because I have. They use to come to my door before I started turning the hose on them🙂


Truthfully, if you aren't interested in the Hot Deal then you should not have any business posting in it in the first place. That's why you would never see me post in any Religious Hot Deal because to me there is no such thing.

 

[przero]

Which is exactly what I'm saying. If it ain't a Hot Deal to you, walk on by.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: przero
Naw, I have never been offered a Bible by a Missionary. I bought all mine. That's why free Bibles are a hot deal. But in fairness the deal should be posted on it's merit alone and leave the preaching to an OT thread. It's the rude behavior that needs to be banned, not the subjects of the deals.

I guess they have an Atheist Detector because I have. They use to come to my door before I started turning the hose on them🙂


Truthfully, if you aren't interested in the Hot Deal then you should not have any business posting in it in the first place. That's why you would never see me post in any Religious Hot Deal because to me there is no such thing.

red

and that's all we're asking.

let it be. When i go thru hot deals forums there is rarely more than 2 or 3 items there that interest me, does that give me the right to go thru and flame and neff in all the other posts just because i don't want to see them there??

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: crobusa

Would you have no objection of HD is flooded with Korans, Buddist texts, Satanic Bibles, and Athiest's manifestos? Would you honsistly call those hot deals?

No objection at all. As I said, regardless of what I believe, I have no right to crticize others for what they believe.

I agree whole-heartidly with everything LeeTJ has said.

I still have yet to see one reason why Religion-related hot deals shouldn't be allowed.
You people have given reasons why people crap in the threads. Nothing more. Do you truly think it's fair to place a ban on these threads because other people can't have respect? Does that REALLY make sense? The problem isn't the deal, the problem is the people who don't like the deal and can't hold their toungue. They are what needs to be banned.

 

[0roo0roo]

guess i'll go post an al queda recruitment thread in ht. i'm sure there are sponsors for free training out there. hot hot hot! 🙂

 

[przero]

0roo0roo - What a timely post. we needed a bad example to point to and Bam you trashed the thread!

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
guess i'll go post an al queda recruitment thread in ht. i'm sure there are sponsors for free training out there. hot hot hot! 🙂

your soo very cute.

Crobusa, you going to ask this troll to leave??

this is exactly what we are talking about. your analogy is HORRIBLE.

btw, i wouldn't flame it, i'd just let it die.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: przero
Naw, I have never been offered a Bible by a Missionary. I bought all mine. That's why free Bibles are a hot deal. But in fairness the deal should be posted on it's merit alone and leave the preaching to an OT thread. It's the rude behavior that needs to be banned, not the subjects of the deals.

I guess they have an Atheist Detector because I have. They use to come to my door before I started turning the hose on them🙂


Truthfully, if you aren't interested in the Hot Deal then you should not have any business posting in it in the first place. That's why you would never see me post in any Religious Hot Deal because to me there is no such thing.

red

and that's all we're asking.

let it be. When i go thru hot deals forums there is rarely more than 2 or 3 items there that interest me, does that give me the right to go thru and flame and neff in all the other posts just because i don't want to see them there??

You looking for a free Bible? If not then WTF are you there? Defending Christiandom? You flaming back is just as bad as the Flamers

 

[przero]

"You looking for a free Bible? If not then WTF are you there? Defending Christiandom? You flaming back is just as bad as the Flamers"


?????

 

[crobusa]

guess i'll go post an al queda recruitment thread in ht. i'm sure there are sponsors for free training out there. hot hot hot!

Crobusa, you going to ask this troll to leave??

While his comment went to an extreme that some people might find offensive, it is relevant to the conversation in a way calling all athiests bigots isn't. But let's tone down the attacks please.

I am not saying bibles are worthless, not to some people, not to all people. I am saying that HD posts based on them aren't worth the aggrivation to the average AT user, whether theist or atheist. They clog up the forum with philosophy rants, that some feel are relevant,but against AT policy. They're followed up by defensive posts, that only save ego and just happen to bump it to the top. I am very much sick of it.

I think that because bibles are well distributed in the communities they need them, often for free, there is a lesser need for them then say, deals on video cards. Some might say the posts that experienced members know and brace for the troubles the bible posts cause, are that sometimes the posts as provocitave as the flames against them.

Sigh, maybe it is time to wrap up this thread. Go back to a good flamewar we all can feel at home in.

 

[przero]

So it is about what YOU think?

 

[crobusa]

So it is about what YOU think?

I hate to tell this to you, but I'm not a mod.. Just because I am trying to be ask others for their opinion, and have an open mind does not mean i have to stay silent.

I am asking for an opinion and at the same time giving my own. I hope somewhere the Mods see this when the next flamewar breaks out in HD and they consider changing the policy. I've stated a solution I think would help AT. Feel free to offer your own.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

I'm flattered that so many people think of me when someone brings up "religious HD" on AT. OTOH, I'm sorry that there are those of you who have such hatred for me, especially since I understand that the Church teaches you specifically NOT to hate. Hatred for people of dissimilar religion is the impetus for many of the religious wars in the middle east and was a contributor to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Hatred also turned Anakin into Darth Vader and might even land some of you in Hell, so you might want to readjust your attitudes.

Anyway, I completely agree with CrobUSA that whenever there is a religious hot deal posted to AT, it usually isn't a deal at all, but rather some poor Christian/Catholic/etc. soul trying to earn brownie points in heaven by attempting to "spread the word." This is AnandTech, not CatholiTech, in case some of you might have forgotten. For instance, a deal for a free New Testament seems like a hotdeal to your average Jesus fanatic, but in reality, it is not...because those of us who are religious already have a stinking NT (obviously) or know exactly where to get one for free. Those of us who are not Christian/Catholic/etc. definitely do not want or need a NT. It's bad enough you have the dudes in the Sunday suits passing them out on campuses or on the street or knocking on our doors on Sunday. The only purpose of posting a "free New Testament" deal is to a) "spread the word" and "plant the seed" just as the poster was instructed to do during sunday school and b) to feel like he is pleasing Jesus and the other 2/3 of the Trinity by doing a).

Another example of how a "religious hot deal" is an absolute oxymoron is the most recent religious offering: $10 for memorizing the 10 commandments...except this deal requires that you spend hours getting your kid to memorize the commandments as well as finding a designated religious representative to sign an affadavit. Gimme a break. You don't have to be JokerSmoker to know that all that work is OBVIOUSLY NOT worth $10. The real intent of the post was to promote a site that "spreads the word." Indeed, the overwhelming majority of so-called religious hot deals on ATHD follow the same formula: a) not really that hot of a deal and b) serves to spread the word. In case you missed it in the previous paragraph, this is Anandtech, not CatholiTech.

And finally, I notice that the Bible community here on AT seems to blame me for getting their hot deals locked. The last time I checked, there is an abundance of non-bible-seeking members of AT, and they also post in these deals because some of them are equally offended. I'm sorry if I happen to be more vocal than the others and happen to point out things that some people don't want to accept. I know how badly some of you wanted to believe that the $10 commandment deal was HOT because it was related to your religion, but I'm sorry, but that deal was colder than absolute zero. If you want, you could always "believe it on faith" that the deal was hot or "hope/wish/pray really really hard" -- who knows maybe you could convince yourself of this as well. On that note, it seems that some of you have convinced yourselves that I am solely responsible for getting the religions deals locked. Guess what -- did it occur to some of you that if there weren't other people offended too, there wouldn't be a barrage of what you call "thread crapping"? I am just another one of the posters to these threads, and if you actually read what others write, you'll find that I usually give reasons for why I think the deal is NOT HOT, whereas the other agnostics/atheists just post childish remarks.

So, really. There's no need to hate...it'll only earn you a seat in Hell. And the religious hot deals? Yeah, I'm still waiting to see one.

Valsalva

 

[Jzero]

Well, that's all I need to read. At the end of the day, this boils down to one fact:
Valsalva feels that due to his overcoming the constraints of religion, that an explicitly stated rule does not apply to him.

You can piss and moan all you please about whether you think it's a hot deal. A free Bible is free. $10 is $10. If nVidia offered you $10 to memorize 10 nVidia advertising slogans, and send them a notarized statement saying you had done so in exchange for $10, would you crap that thread as well?

Your argument that:
"The real intent of the post was to promote a site that "spreads the word." Indeed, the overwhelming majority of so-called religious hot deals on ATHD follow the same formula: a) not really that hot of a deal and b) serves to spread the word."

Is destroyed in light of the fact that EVERY SINGLE deal involving something being given away for free is done with intent of selling something, getting a product into the household, later collecting recurring revenue, selling respondent's information, or otherwise attempting to capitalize on the people who respond. Your only beef is that religion is behind it. If it were a normal capitalistic endeavor, you'd not say a word, and if you think that churches are not capitalistic, you are not as wise as you would have us believe.

At the end of the day, your opinion on religion is not at issue. If you think a deal is not hot because it is religious, you are not factually correct becuase others may. Unless the deal is a flat-out scam, or you have something constructive to offer, the rules explicitly call on you to STFU.

The bottom line here is that the mods need to take a stand:
Fix the rules and ban religious hot deals
or
Fix people like Valsalva and ban thread crappers

I'm just waiting for them to take a stand one way or the other and stick to it.

There's no need to hate...it'll only earn you a seat in Hell. And the religious hot deals? Yeah, I'm still waiting to see one.

Don't bother saving me a seat...I've already got a whole stack of passes.

 

[LeeTJ]

Valsalva

I don't know why you bothered posting. you said nothing more than has already been said. it wrong but it's been said.

what's not hot to you may be hot to others and that's the point.

i've said this 3 or 4 times in this thread, but should i crap in EVERY HD's thread that i don't find hot?? would that be consistent with you??

if you don't like it, stay out, simple end of story.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Well, that's all I need to read. At the end of the day, this boils down to one fact:
Valsalva feels that due to his overcoming the constraints of religion, that an explicitly stated rule does not apply to him.

What JZero fails to realize is that the forums rules also EXPLICITLY states that "negative comments [are] allowed [when]: you know a "deal" is a scam...[or] if there is any other reason to warn others about an offer or link." My posts fall under this provision. Unfortunately, JZero, you "chose" to read only a section of the forum rules and completely ignored the segment that you didn't want to be true... and I have a feeling that you've probably grown accustomed to doing this while studying your religious text.

You can piss and moan all you please about whether you think it's a hot deal. A free Bible is free. $10 is $10. If nVidia offered you $10 to memorize 10 nVidia advertising slogans, and send them a notarized statement saying you had done so in exchange for $10, would you crap that thread as well?

If nVidia was offering $10 to get your kid to memorize 10 nVidia slogans (which would consume a huge amount of time) and also required you to find some special nVidia rep, drive your kid over, and have him recite the slogans, I OBVIOUSLY would want to warn others not to waste their time because it was NOT a hot deal... Again, you don't have to be JokerSmoker to realize how cold such a deal would be.

EVERY SINGLE deal involving something being given away for free is done with intent of selling something, getting a product into the household, later collecting recurring revenue, selling respondent's information, or otherwise attempting to capitalize on the people who respond. Your only beef is that religion is behind it.

Very weak argument because it is a non-parallel example. The difference is that useful items, regardless of their nature, are appreciated. For instance, a video card FAR is a hot deal because there are at least some ppl out there who could use one. But a free new testament is absolutely useless because people who are Christian already have one, and people who are not obviously don't want one. The corollary would be someone posting a deal for free oxygen (just breathe). People who are alive obviously know about the deal, and people who are dead really have no use for it.

if you think that churches are not capitalistic, you are not as wise as you would have us believe.

I never implied at any point that churches are NOT capitalistic. If you are trying to set up a spurious argument for you (alone) to argue against, that's fine with me...but since you bring it up, I think the hottest deal is to withdraw membership from your church -- save 10% of your income and free up some time on Sundays to do something more useful.

At the end of the day, your opinion on religion is not at issue. If you think a deal is not hot because it is religious, you are not factually correct becuase others may.

I have already explained specifically and without generalizing how most "religious" hot deals are usually NOT HOT. I have even offered 2 actual examples from the forums. It is a horrible argument to say that "some others may" find some of the deals hot. Sure. Some people might find "10,000 pounds of horse dung free-after-rebate" a good deal...but for most of us, the deal is cold despite being free. I never argued that ALL religious hot deals are not hot...I am saying that the "vast majority of them" are. Please address these points specifically and without generalization -- if I wanted hand-waving, I'd go to sunday school.

" the rules explicitly call on you to STFU"

Uh oh. The last time I checked, the acronym "STFU" is not very polite. In fact, I think it is in gross violation of the forums rules on courteousness -- I believe the ones you actually cut and pasted a little earlier. For someone so crude and hateful, I am flabbergasted by how you are so demanding when it comes to how others behave.

Fix people like Valsalva and ban thread crappers

Fix people like JZero who like to play WannaBeMod yet use phrases like "STFU" and demand that other people be courteous. Who are you kidding, man?

Don't bother saving me a seat...I've already got a whole stack of passes.

Cute. You may joke around now, but you won't be laughing when your Day of Reckoning comes. You act all sanctimonious with your selfless defense of the bible and religion, but you've really shown yourself to be full of hate and hypocrisy time and time again.

Valsalva

 

[Jzero]

What JZero fails to realize is that the forums rules also EXPLICITLY states that "negative comments [are] allowed [when]: you know a "deal" is a scam...[or] if there is any other reason to warn others about an offer or link." My posts fall under this provision. Unfortunately, JZero, you "chose" to read only a section of the forum rules and completely ignored the segment that you didn't want to be true... and I have a feeling that you've probably grown accustomed to doing this while studying your religious text.

Nice ad hominem. I fail to see how your personal vendetta against religion constitutes a deal being a scam, or necessitates a warning of any kind. Quite frankly, anyone who needs such a warning has bigger issues.

Very weak argument because it is a non-parallel example. The difference is that useful items, regardless of their nature, are appreciated. For instance, a video card FAR is a hot deal because there are at least some ppl out there who could use one. But a free new testament is absolutely useless because people who are Christian already have one, and people who are not obviously don't want one. The corollary would be someone posting a deal for free oxygen (just breathe). People who are alive obviously know about the deal, and people who are dead really have no use for it.

If my argument was weak (which it was not - your lack of solid rebut does not constitute a weakness), than yours is infinitely weaker. In a word - I have no use for many of the free items I request on HD. These items are now no longer hot deals for the entire community because I have no use for them?

Uh oh. The last time I checked, the acronym "STFU" is not very polite. In fact, I think it is in gross violation of the forums rules on courteousness -- I believe the ones you actually cut and pasted a little earlier. For someone so crude and hateful, I am flabbergasted by how you are so demanding when it comes to how others behave.

Welcome to ATOT. Learn to take the heat. You've been asked politely to keep quiet. Stronger words don't help. An outright ban is in order.

Fix people like JZero who like to play WannaBeMod yet use phrases like "STFU" and demand that other people be courteous. Who are you kidding, man?

Awww. Are you gonna cry? STFU and get over it. Just like you do in HD, you attempt to derail the thread as best as possible. Back to the issue, tough guy.

Cute. You may joke around now, but you won't be laughing when your Day of Reckoning comes. You act all sanctimonious with your selfless defense of the bible and religion, but you've really shown yourself to be full of hate and hypocrisy time and time again.

You make the critically mistaken assumption that I follow Catholocism or any of the other religions that you are so scared of. My complaint is that the rule is not being followed. You can bag on Christianity all you want here in Off Topic - I don't really care. You were asked to leave it out of HD. Why is that so hard for you?

Oh. And STFU.

 

[xirtam]

What JZero fails to realize is that the forums rules also EXPLICITLY states that "negative comments [are] allowed [when]: you know a "deal" is a scam...[or] if there is any other reason to warn others about an offer or link." My posts fall under this provision. Unfortunately, JZero, you "chose" to read only a section of the forum rules and completely ignored the segment that you didn't want to be true... and I have a feeling that you've probably grown accustomed to doing this while studying your religious text.

Not all your thread-crapping can fall under that provision. People are just as certain that their religious thread is a "hot deal" as you are that it's a "scam," except most of the time, they've got more proof backing their position.

If nVidia was offering $10 to get your kid to memorize 10 nVidia slogans (which would consume a huge amount of time) and also required you to find some special nVidia rep, drive your kid over, and have him recite the slogans, I OBVIOUSLY would want to warn others not to waste their time because it was NOT a hot deal... Again, you don't have to be JokerSmoker to realize how cold such a deal would be.

I think a kid memorizing 10 nVidia slogans for $10 could be a very hot deal for that kid. You can't just look at a marketing technique and say, "... naw, gotta be a cold deal." Unless you have proof that nVidia's scamming people out of their time and money, you've got no right to say so. You can say, "this sounds fishy to me," but I'd be careful about pointing fingers until you're ready to defend your position.

Very weak argument because it is a non-parallel example. The difference is that useful items, regardless of their nature, are appreciated. For instance, a video card FAR is a hot deal because there are at least some ppl out there who could use one. But a free new testament is absolutely useless because people who are Christian already have one, and people who are not obviously don't want one. The corollary would be someone posting a deal for free oxygen (just breathe). People who are alive obviously know about the deal, and people who are dead really have no use for it.

How do you know what's hot to me and what isn't? I walked down the street at my college several months ago, and a guy was handing out New Testaments. I was very grateful to have on, as I didn't have one that I could carry with me and read at my convenience... i.e., in class. It also had Psalms and Proverbs in it. That was a hot deal for me. And the guy wasn't pushy, didn't want to try to take up all my time, respond to a personal survey, etc. Your argument is moot. It's like saying that every hot deal on a new computer monitor should be banned because people who are visiting anandtech to see the hot deal obviously already have a monitor. That's retarded.

I have already explained specifically and without generalizing how most "religious" hot deals are usually NOT HOT. I have even offered 2 actual examples from the forums. It is a horrible argument to say that "some others may" find some of the deals hot. Sure. Some people might find "10,000 pounds of horse dung free-after-rebate" a good deal...but for most of us, the deal is cold despite being free. I never argued that ALL religious hot deals are not hot...I am saying that the "vast majority of them" are. Please address these points specifically and without generalization -- if I wanted hand-waving, I'd go to sunday school.

"Please address these points specifically and without generalization"? Shmeh? All of your points here are generalizations. "usually NOT HOT", "most of us," the "vast majority of them"... all generalizations. And you want me to address them without generalization? Fine. They're all generalizations. That's the only nongeneralizational point I can make about them.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: Jzero

What JZero fails to realize is that the forums rules also EXPLICITLY states that "negative comments [are] allowed [when]: you know a "deal" is a scam...[or] if there is any other reason to warn others about an offer or link." My posts fall under this provision. Unfortunately, JZero, you "chose" to read only a section of the forum rules and completely ignored the segment that you didn't want to be true... and I have a feeling that you've probably grown accustomed to doing this while studying your religious text.

Nice ad hominem. I fail to see how your personal vendetta against religion constitutes a deal being a scam, or necessitates a warning of any kind. Quite frankly, anyone who needs such a warning has bigger issues.

I like how you sidestep your obvious blunder. You accused me of intentionally violating the forum rules, whereas I pointed out how you conveniently ignored the provisions that explicitly allow my posts. I like how your response is absolutely unrelated... maybe if you close your eyes to what I wrote, they'll disappear...

Uh oh. The last time I checked, the acronym "STFU" is not very polite. In fact, I think it is in gross violation of the forums rules on courteousness -- I believe the ones you actually cut and pasted a little earlier. For someone so crude and hateful, I am flabbergasted by how you are so demanding when it comes to how others behave.

Fix people like JZero who like to play WannaBeMod yet use phrases like "STFU" and demand that other people be courteous. Who are you kidding, man?

Awww. Are you gonna cry? STFU and get over it. Just like you do in HD, you attempt to derail the thread as best as possible. Back to the issue, tough guy.

I *am* on the issue, smart guy -- you stated previously that I was discourteous, and now you tell me to "STFU" twice. Tell me, how can you demand that others behave accordingly when you can't even behave courteously yourself?

You can bag on Christianity all you want here in Off Topic - I don't really care.

Really? You seemed so wounded whenever the religious threads were locked...and so full of anger....and you all of your rage seemed to be focused on me as a scapegoat, even though my role wasn't even that great. I would think it means a lot to you that the religious deals are out there. So much that you would result to profanity on a public forum. Remember what anger did to Annakin Skywalker.......

Valsalva

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOut
So, really. There's no need to hate...it'll only earn you a seat in Hell. And the religious hot deals? Yeah, I'm still waiting to see one.

Valsalva

Hypocrite... :disgust: I have no hatred for you. I'm simply disgusted by your hatred and bigotry and feel that it has no place here on AT. I am against you the same way I would be against any other bigot, like a racist, sexist, or homophobe. I put you in THAT category... where you belong. You're never trying to "warn" people of "scams" in religious HD's, you're just trying to throw in your bigoted $0.02 worth of hatred. And if you knew anything about Christianity, you'd know that most Christians believe that they are saved by Faith alone, and not by works.