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Discussing if Apple's M1 silicon is the future of computing, and discrete CPU and GPU days are numbered.
Maybe this should go in the Apple M series silicon thread, sorry.
it's evolving at a staggering pace.
Watch the video then. I'm addressing the video PoV, not your opinion on how the tech will evolve.I didn't watch the video
LTT... so no, sorry.Is there a text version? I don't want to watch a video to get a point that could be conveyed in a few paragraphs of text.
It's an entire ecosystem with so many species that couldn't care less about the CPU ISA or GPU architecture inside of them.
Yup. Who says PC have to stay x86 forever? I'm old enough to remember when there where plenty of competing architectures around.
If someone is willing to make an ARM PC to the same ATX specification as a normal x86 PC, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to compete. Just look at how much you can use a PI for. Even MS has an ARM version of Windows (almost) ready. Apple has shown x86-to-ARM translation isn't a problem at all.
Now APUs have undoubted advantages in mobile applications, and that's where the market is currently. So that is where the development money goes.
Secondly, mobile is outselling desktop for quite some time, and OEM computer PCs are also outselling any DIY nieche.
We should embrace this change instead of resisting it.
We’ll, Apple is already making Arm PCs that are Competitive with x86. It just that they don’t put sell their CPUs on the open market because they are critical to the whole Apple ecosystem. Of course, it’ll be a while before top games will make it to the Mac market as Apple chose their own Metal API over Vulcan. Anyway, the point being that it is possible for Arm to complete in the PC market - it’ll just take a major ARM vendor (only Qualcomm for now) to deliver significantly more powerful SoCs - and a PCIe interface for now for GPUs. Later on they or someone else, will build a large SoC with midrange graphics power that will satisfy all but the most hardcore gamers. It all about having some ARM SoC designer deciding to provide the internal funding, like Apple, to create a successful high performance CPU for desktop use. MS is doing what it can to prepare for that possible eventually.Yup. Who says PC have to stay x86 forever? I'm old enough to remember when there where plenty of competing architectures around.
If someone is willing to make an ARM PC to the same ATX specification as a normal x86 PC, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to compete. Just look at how much you can use a PI for. Even MS has an ARM version of Windows (almost) ready. Apple has shown x86-to-ARM translation isn't a problem at all.
Now APUs have undoubted advantages in mobile applications, and that's where the market is currently. So that is where the development money goes.
I would be down for this but, Intel needs to unlock bifurcation for this to be a true option if all of the slots are X16 for versatility. Putting in a wired x1 or x4 but still consuming 16 lanes is dumb. AMD does bifurcation but, there's a price gap in system building.The future of DIY is probably going to shift towards slot-based rather than socket-based.
Is there a text version? I don't want to watch a video to get a point that could be conveyed in a few paragraphs of text.
Later on they or someone else, will build a large SoC with midrange graphics power that will satisfy all but the most hardcore gamers.
Watch the video then. I'm addressing the video PoV, not your opinion on how the tech will evolve.
And for those of use who are deaf. Even captioning is not always there or easy to read or understand,.Give this man an award! For all of us who hate the shift to video "reviews" or analysis.
The future of DIY is probably going to shift towards slot-based rather than socket-based.
With the Ghost Canyon-esque going absurdo.
Just make it bigger (fan), more powerful (12VHPWR), etc.
I cannot wait for double triple wide double tall deluxe canyon with a 600W+ CPU SoC and 600W+ GPU SoC with a nuclear reactor attached.
And for those of use who are deaf. Even captioning is not always there or easy to read or understand,.
I'm finding good performance with the Iris / laptop version at least. It's much better at handling mundane tasks than the UHD series was on prior than ADL options. UHD forced ne to put apps into graphics settings to specify the dGPU to get no stuttering from even scrolling webpages or web based games.While not SoCs as such, Intel has been doing that since the GMA900 in 2004. Nobody but "gamers" -need- more performance then what a basic IGP offers. Putting an image on the monitor is plenty enough for 95% of users.