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Discussing if Apple's M1 silicon is the future of computing, and discrete CPU and GPU days are numbered.
Maybe this should go in the Apple M series silicon thread, sorry.
Discussing if Apple's M1 silicon is the future of computing, and discrete CPU and GPU days are numbered.
Maybe this should go in the Apple M series silicon thread, sorry.
DrMrLordX
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Sounds worse than my IndustrialPPC 3000rpm fans. Those things were beastly, too.
Haven't heard those but I can say the only other time I got scared was when my XFX RX 580 went nuts just as I launched Edge browser with the Pimax VR control panel utility open in the background and VR being displayed by the GPU. PC froze, rebooted it but fans didn't stop. They kept going full tilt. Shutdown the PC. Booted and no display. Connected to iGPU. Radeon is gone in device manager. Found out later that my Z77 mobo's PCIe lanes got fried.
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we talking gpu fans or actual server delta fans?
60mm delta gpu fans... not so much...
60mm delta server fans... id think they be close to 40mm 1u fans... and here let me show you how 1u's sound.
mah, you guys complaining about gpu fans... lolz...
pizzabox fans are things nightmares are made from.
I will never buy a 1u rack server... unless mostly passive or has a blower and not a 40mm fan.
There is no amount of noise isolation that can mask that much noise.
Even your neighbors across the street will call the cops on you.
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I wish there was as much innovation on the low end of the scale as there is for the people who want a 1000W PSU, but I guess they are the ones willing to spend hundreds on a power supply and even more on a board.
I have a mini ITX system I built five years ago or so that uses a 450W ATX power supply because that was the smallest I could get that was both fully modular and passively cooled - I didn't want the tiny case choked with too many useless cables (though as I realized later I could have just clipped the wires I don't need)
For my next build I'll be doing mini-ITX as well, but since it will be two m.2 SSDs only vs the current one which is two SATA SSDs and two SATA HDDs I realized I will no longer need an ATX power supply for anything but the ATX connector on the motherboard. There are some nifty so-called "pico ATX" connectors I will probably use instead that are little more than a 1" board the width of the ATX connector that can prove sufficient power for my needs which connect to a 12v "brick" type power supply used for laptops.
They could save space on those SFF boards by dropping ATX which is increasingly useless in the mini-ITX segment and by giving you a standard 5.5mm DC connector on the board, and use the saved space to supply 12v, 5v and 3.3v rails on the board. Then all you need for a "power supply" is a standard brick with a 5.5mm connector, which lives outside the case making it a little easier to build a passively cooled PC. If they built it cleverly a metal case like mine could physically screw into the top of the CPU heatsink and the heat dissipate through the entire case!
That's very loud and annoying! But yes, the GPU fans I've heard were almost this loud (maybe 5 decibels less). Especially the sound at max RPM where it feels like it's gonna spin out of control, that's scary for me. I wouldn't want to have anything like this in my house left unattended. You never know when it's gonna fail and then you get smoke and fire!
I would consider this a GOOD fan! Even at 3000 RPM, it sounds tame to me. It doesn't sound at all like that server fan which seemed like it would fail any second from too much rotation.
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That ippc-3000 is one of my top choice in high tier fans.
The others would be a Nidac Gentle Typphoon.
Gentle Typhoon 120mm 3000 RPM Cooling Fan, D1225C12B7AP-29
With a massive RPM comes massive airflow, resulting in massive cooling! If you want performance then these fans are ideal, if you don't mind the noise!
www.quietpc.com
And if we go 38mm, my favorates has always been the Sanyo Denki SanAce
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Gentle Typhoon! What an oxymoron!Gentle Typhoon 120mm 3000 RPM Cooling Fan, D1225C12B7AP-29
With a massive RPM comes massive airflow, resulting in massive cooling! If you want performance then these fans are ideal, if you don't mind the noise!
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Gentle Typhoon! What an oxymoron!
lol the naming department was probably like...
Whats a strong wind? "typhoon"!!
Oh but it needs to be quiet...
Lets call it Gentle....
Brilliant... it will be called a Gentle Typhoon!!
Vattila
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True, the high-end is where the attractive profit margins are.
But, regarding innovation, I presume your wish is here specific to the PC space and small form factors derived from ATX, since there has been an amazing level of innovation in single-board computers (SBC), with a large following of hobbyists and DIY enthusiasts. It is amazing what kind of performance and features you can cram into passively-cooled small form factors these days. It is just that most of it is not based around x86 technology, with ARM being the dominant architecture in this space (in which Raspberry Pi has been the most prominent product). However, there are x86 solutions in this space as well. Here is a recommended YouTube channel covering these things very well on a basic level:
ExplainingComputers - YouTube
DrMrLordX
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It doesn't whine, but it moves so much air that it can not be silent. And I had two of them running 100%. It was a bit much. Wooosh.
Fan noise is definitely one of the things that will make people turn against PCs, since their little disposable appliances these days tend to be rather silent.
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My PS4 Pro was the loudest thing I have owned in a number of years. Every gaming laptop I have owned is obnoxious when gaming too. I have yet to own anything other than DIY PCs, that can provide a great gaming experience without being noisy. For the tasks their gadgets handle, a PC can do it passively cooled/silently, no issues.
As long as I have been reading about the convergence device replacing PC, I am starting to think it is like worthwhile fusion reactors; always 20yrs away.
DrMrLordX
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Interesting. The Xbox 1 that I've used (I don't own it) has been mostly silent. Haven't heard an Xbox Series X or similar yet.
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PS4 Pro was really loud. Sony addressed that issue with PS5. Both PS5 and Series X are pretty much silent. ( I own both).
Before we can talk about this they need to actually deliver a good APU. And APU arent a priority for desktops so...
If there's one thing that OEMs are jealous of Apple, it's that Apple solders everything. Even without Super APUs, I could see convergence happening just to kill off third party upgrades.
If they are gonna solder stuff, they should raise the bar for the minimum specs to 16GB/512GB at the very least. 8GB/256GB is almost like netbook territory these days.
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The current trajectory of PCs is the same or more wattage. Every thing we read says the next CPUs and GPUs are going to up the ante further. Manufacturers are going to turn a 180 and push small low power SBC devices instead, because why again?
coercitiv
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The reson is odd to say the least: people look at what Apple is able to achieve with the Mac Studio and then expect the PC makers to match this at a fraction of the cost. For some reason Apple integrated performance is the future, but Apple pricing is not included in the prediction model.
I doubt anyone other than Apple can copy Apple's pricing for their products (no matter how good) and still not go bankrupt due to low volume of sales.
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Excellent point, you have to love the Apple flavored kool aid. Sony was the only other company with a similar cult following, we all know how that went.
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Walmart re-introduced "VAIO" (Not "Sony VAIO", mind you) laptops, with high-end prices to match. (Starting at $699, topping at $5000+.)
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There was a story from the beginning of last year about the comeback. https://indianexpress.com/article/t...a-again-but-with-a-different-partner-7133772/
EDIT: I guess companies are trying to leverage nostalgia the same way everything else does. Gateway is feeling seen.
They have found success using kind-of an Apple model, where their entertainment devices (TVs and consoles) complement their entertainment properties (TV/Hollywood studios/game studios). Their TVs might be overpriced but at least on the console side, they did the sensible thing and made it affordable to a degree, giving them runaway success.
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