Is the Theory of Evolution on the ropes?

[IronWing]

Intelligent design does not preclude evolution. It merely enhances it by adding intelligence into the mix.

Again an untestable assertion.

 

[Alone]

Intelligent design does not preclude evolution. It merely enhances it by adding intelligence into the mix.

Alright, then I suppose I'll add that he doesn't believe in the supernatural, either. Intelligent Design is a part of creationism, or some kind of God related idea.

It's simply wrong. I'm open to a lot of things but this isn't one of them.

 

[J-Money]

I know that they were successful in creating amino acids, but if you think amino acids = Life, then you are highly mistaken.

They are the BUILDING BLOCKS of life.

That's like saying because you have bricks doesn't mean it's a building.

THEY BUILD.

I swear creationists are getting dumber every day.

 

[Carfax83]

Do you think we were all designed by an intelligent designer?

Did he design cancer too?

It's clear to me that you, and all the others have absolutely no idea what intelligent design entails..

Did you even know that intelligent design does not even specify a designer or creator? It only stipulates that INTELLIGENCE is/was involved in the evolution of Life.

It doesn't specify who or what that intelligence is... For all we know, it could be fucking aliens..

But I'm sure this never even occurred to you. Most of you are nothing more than a bunch of frothing at the mouth anti-Creationists..

Seriously, were you guys sexually abused by a Priest when you were kids? Because the amount of hate I've read for anything even remotely resembling an intelligent cause, is just unreal.

 

[Carfax83]

Crap - now you're saying the Big Bang is false? We can't know what happened in the past with 100% certainty?! I'm going to guess you're in the United States. Intelligent Design believers are almost exclusively a US phenomenon. It's night time. Go outside. Look up. Guess what - those dots you see - that light happened a lonnnnnnnng time ago. Now, believe it or not, we have these telescope things. They can see a long way into the distance - and the farther into the distance they see, the older things are.

You are a rabid dog.. When have I ever said the big bang was false? :\

 

[Matthiasa]

Who created the Aliens then.
But then who created those aliens...
or those...
or those..
ad infinitum...

The universe in its current form has a finite age, anything before it was either "destroyed" or didn't exist within it's dimensional confines.

 

[IronWing]

So we started this thread with the OP stating his ignorance of evolution, biology, and science in general, a position he has adequately demonstrated to my satisfaction. So maybe we can set aside the discussion of evolution for a moment and talk about this intelligent design idea. To do so we need some clear thinking and writing from the OP. What does this intelligent design entail and how would you propose we go about subjecting your idea to the rigors of the scientific method?

 

[DrPizza]

And, in reality, if man was "intelligently designed" - the intelligent designer is an idiot. Look at our DNA and all the needless crap in there. If the intelligent designer is so intelligent, then why don't my dogs and cats have to eat oranges and lemons and other sources of vitamin C. Did you know that dogs and cats need to have vitamin C to survive? But, they don't have to get it from their diet - they biosynthesize their own just like we biosynthesize our own vitamin D. (Of course you didn't.) But, thanks to a flawed little chunk on human DNA, we can't produce our own vitamin C and need to get it from dietary sources.

See, for every bit of "evidence" that you have that there's an intelligent designer, there's even more factual evidence that the design is flawed - not the result of intelligence.

 

[Alone]

I have no shame in admitting I'm anti-creationism. Mainly because it's based on people saying "hey, not everything can be explained."

Then someone comes along explains something in a logical, fact-supported manner, and you all retort with "yeah, sure, that's possible, but what about this?"

It's an endless game for you people. You're unwilling to accept that shit just fucking happened. You don't seem to understand that we were created by mere chance, and the reason why we're so evolved and awesome now is because we had to be in order to survive. If we hadn't evolved the way we did, we wouldn't have to listen to your pathetic arguments.

If you do believe we were created by an intelligent being, then why are we still evolving to better suit our environment? Obviously we weren't made perfectly or we wouldn't have wasted the last few billion years becoming what we are now.

 

[busydude]

It's clear to me that you, and all the others have absolutely no idea what intelligent design entails..

Did you even know that intelligent design does not even specify a designer or creator? It only stipulates that INTELLIGENCE is/was involved in the evolution of Life.

It doesn't specify who or what that intelligence is... For all we know, it could be fucking aliens..

But I'm sure this never even occurred to you. Most of you are nothing more than a bunch of frothing at the mouth anti-Creationists..

Seriously, were you guys sexually abused by a Priest when you were kids? Because the amount of hate I've read for anything even remotely resembling an intelligent cause, is just unreal.

Are you Tsoukalos? Because you sure speak like him.

 

[Brigandier]

It's clear to me that you, and all the others have absolutely no idea what intelligent design entails..

Did you even know that intelligent design does not even specify a designer or creator? It only stipulates that INTELLIGENCE is/was involved in the evolution of Life.

It doesn't specify who or what that intelligence is... For all we know, it could be fucking aliens..

But I'm sure this never even occurred to you. Most of you are nothing more than a bunch of frothing at the mouth anti-Creationists..

Seriously, were you guys sexually abused by a Priest when you were kids? Because the amount of hate I've read for anything even remotely resembling an intelligent cause, is just unreal.

Where did the aliens come from then? Some previous universe? How did they arise there? Evolution is the only acceptable answer, even to ID.

 

[IronWing]

But I'm sure this never even occurred to you. Most of you are nothing more than a bunch of frothing at the mouth anti-Creationists..

Seriously, were you guys sexually abused by a Priest when you were kids? Because the amount of hate I've read for anything even remotely resembling an intelligent cause, is just unreal.

Pro-tip: When you lace your victimhood posts with personal attacks it kind of makes you look like an ass.

 

[Carfax83]

http://www.talkorigins.org/


Calling abiogenesis and random mutations "retarded" or needing leaps of faith just shows again that you really do not understand this stuff at all, and yet you try to discredit them by basically saying they're stupid and you can't believe them therefore they're obviously wrong.

I'm also very baffled why you believe the fossil record or all the "information" in DNA contradicts/discredits evolution, since that's actually kinda the complete opposite. You don't really explain other than you think the coding of genes cannot be "not intelligent" and therefore not natural.

Essentially, you're trying to discuss calculus without having studied and understood Algebra. Actually in some of the things you bring up, its closer to not understanding basic math.

You readily admit your ignorance, and yet you seem unable to believe that is in fact the actual problem here. There's a lot more that you need to understand before you should even be actually considering if being unable to create life from simple matter in a lab invalidates evolution.

OK this is fine, but you are rebutting me, and not my assertions..

Answer me these questions please, since you are so obviously much more informed than me.

Has any Scientist ever demonstrated in a lab that random mutations can create new information in a genome?

Has any Scientist ever successfully created a new species via random mutations in a laboratory environment?

Has any Scientist ever developed credible, testable theories concerning how information became originally became associated with DNA?

 

[DrPizza]

You are a rabid dog.. When have I ever said the big bang was false? :\

Feel free to attack me instead of my evidence. You said: "Some of the greatest Scientific theories cannot be tested in any way, ie the Big Bang theory." The Big Bang theory is VERY tested. The theory is not complete - it has trouble with the very very beginning, and several hypotheses have been suggested; some of which may be testable, including the multiverse theory which there very well may be evidence of.) By the "very very beginning", we're talking about the first millionth of a second. Not the first million years.

 

[IronWing]

OK this is fine, but you are rebutting me, and not my assertions..

Put your assertions in the form of a testable hypothesis.

 

[busydude]

Has any Scientist ever demonstrated in a lab that random mutations can create new information in a genome?

Yeah right.

 

[SlitheryDee]

OK, so if my points were addressed convincingly, has any Scientist ever demonstrated mutation as being capable of creating a new species in a lab?

What about the presence of information in DNA? Does Dawkins have an answer to that?

If these things are as concrete as you believe, where is the hard evidence?

1) Yes. There have been lab experiments that show mutation, among other factors, to be responsible for speciation.

2) Obviously there is information in DNA. I'm not sure why that needs answering by Dawkins or anyone. It isn't a question. There is little mystery as to it got there.

3) Evolution is very well supported by evidence. Probably the only theory that beats it in terms of evidence is the theory of gravity. It's everywhere in every living thing and in every fossil of past living things. In each passing generation evolution is a measurable, if minute, occurrence.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

It's clear to me that you, and all the others have absolutely no idea what intelligent design entails..

Did you even know that intelligent design does not even specify a designer or creator? It only stipulates that INTELLIGENCE is/was involved in the evolution of Life.

It doesn't specify who or what that intelligence is... For all we know, it could be fucking aliens..

But I'm sure this never even occurred to you. Most of you are nothing more than a bunch of frothing at the mouth anti-Creationists..

Seriously, were you guys sexually abused by a Priest when you were kids? Because the amount of hate I've read for anything even remotely resembling an intelligent cause, is just unreal.

Did you even know that the people who proposed intelligent design have repeatedly admitted to pushing it as a stepping stone to getting creationism in schools. This thread is the stupidest thing I've read in a while.

 

[IronWing]

I guess we are being trolled as the OP yet to offer up any approach to testing intelligent design.

 

[Blackjack200]

Dr. Pizza and others don't seem to need much help, but I just wanted to point something out...

A scientific law is an observation of phenomena and a theory is and explanation for the phenomena.

There are many laws and theories that observe and explain evolution. When a creationist says "evolution is a just a theory" they are not only twisting the meaning of the word "theory" they're also ignoring the fact that evolution is an observed phenomena.

Also, if anyone wonders why I hate religion, just look at this gem:

Whatever created the Universe and or Life, had to be something of immense power and intelligence, the likes of which you and I cannot even begin to fathom.

I can accept that there are things out there that I will never understand, and that there are many things that are simply beyond me.

You on the other hand, think you are capable of understanding everything....which is why you think the Creator has to have some kind of natural explanation..

That just says it all.

 

[Carfax83]

It's an endless game for you people. You're unwilling to accept that shit just fucking happened. You don't seem to understand that we were created by mere chance, and the reason why we're so evolved and awesome now is because we had to be in order to survive. If we hadn't evolved the way we did, we wouldn't have to listen to your pathetic arguments.

So, since you are a great believer in logic and facts, what are your opinions on the origins of Life?

I expect a logical and factual response by the way..

Also, I want a factual and logical answer to how Life came to be as it is right now.

If you do believe we were created by an intelligent being, then why are we still evolving to better suit our environment? Obviously we weren't made perfectly or we wouldn't have wasted the last few billion years becoming what we are now.

It's clear you don't understand what intelligent design is, if you are asking me that if we were created by an intelligent being, why are we still evolving :|

 

[DrPizza]

Has any Scientist ever successfully created a new species via random mutations in a laboratory environment?

What is this? Straw man time? I already pointed out that there has been a tremendous amount of change in various types of bacteria over the past 40 years. Do you even have a fucking clue how long of a time span it takes for different species to evolve? And, as far as species goes - what decides where the line is at which point something is a different species? Obviously, you skipped over the whole red/blue thing - else it was too complicated for you to comprehend. The fossil record shows an overwhelming amount of evidence of macroevolution. DNA shows an overwhelming amount of evidence of macroevolution.

 

[IronWing]

It's clear you don't understand what intelligent design is, if you are asking me that if we were created by an intelligent being, why are we still evolving :|

It is clear you haven't yet defined intelligent design in any of your posts. Time to start putting thoughtful words together or be dismissed as a troll.

 

[Blackjack200]

3) Evolution is very well supported by evidence. Probably the only theory that beats it in terms of evidence is the theory of gravity. It's everywhere in every living thing and in every fossil of past living things. In each passing generation evolution is a measurable, if minute, occurrence.

I've actually heard that evolution is better supported than the germ theory of medicine. So if you reject evolution, you should probably throw out your amoxicillin and call your preacher over to drive away the demons the next time you get an infection.

 

[busydude]

It is clear you haven't yet defined intelligent design in any of your posts.

He defined it.. I mean he was vague about it just like those daily horoscopes.

It's clear to me that you, and all the others have absolutely no idea what intelligent design entails..

Did you even know that intelligent design does not even specify a designer or creator? It only stipulates that INTELLIGENCE is/was involved in the evolution of Life.

It doesn't specify who or what that intelligence is... For all we know, it could be fucking aliens..

But I'm sure this never even occurred to you. Most of you are nothing more than a bunch of frothing at the mouth anti-Creationists..

Seriously, were you guys sexually abused by a Priest when you were kids? Because the amount of hate I've read for anything even remotely resembling an intelligent cause, is just unreal.