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Is the Theory of Evolution on the ropes?

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busydude

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What's the point of even living life if you think there is nothing to look forward to at the end?

There is nothing in the end; life on earth simply will not stop evolving and the universe will continue to expand. You enjoy and make the most of it while you are alive. I look forward to living my own life.. doing what I love to do. There is nothing to look forward to in the end other than the legacy I left behind.
 

J-Money

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A super natural force (does not necessarily have to be God, maybe we're all wrong and it's something totally different) is beyond what we can even comprehend. He/It MADE science. Science could not have created itself, that makes no sense.

I will believe in the big bang when someone manages to create a live animal out of nothing. You demand proof of God, well I'm going to play that game too and demand proof of the big bang.

What part of "millions / billions of years" do you not understand?

Big bang = lots of supporting evidence
God = zero supporting evidence

Only an idiot would pick the one with zero supporting evidence as the one that is more likely.

The truth is believing in God is akin to being insane. Hearing voices and worshipping a non-existing being and all that.
 
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Mr. Pedantic

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A super natural force (does not necessarily have to be God, maybe we're all wrong and it's something totally different) is beyond what we can even comprehend. He/It MADE science. Science could not have created itself, that makes no sense.

I will believe in the big bang when someone manages to create a live animal out of nothing. You demand proof of God, well I'm going to play that game too and demand proof of the big bang.
Straw man. Stop wasting everyone else's time and try make a good logical argument for once.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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What's the point of even living life if you think there is nothing to look forward to at the end?

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

That's like saying 'What's the point of watching a movie if there's no sequal'.

Life is the point! Living! Getting high, having sex, going out, having fun, listen to music, reading books etc etc etc!

That's the point moron.
 

qliveur

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Nope, that's not it.

Life is actually pointless and cheap. We need to get over ourselves. We're not special at all, and we need to deal with it.

Yes, I'm serious.
 
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RocksteadyDotNet

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Nope, that's not it.

Life is actually pointless and cheap. We need to get over ourselves. We're not special at all, and we need to deal with it.

Yes, I'm serious.

If you're talking to me, then yes, I think we agree.

There is no point. So try and enjoy youself while you're here. That's what i was trying so say.

There're no rules, or a plan, there's just, now. So try and have fun.

That's why people who've never tried drugs are so dumb. You're only here once idiots; try some fun shit while you're still alive.

If you're not a total dumbass you can do drugs in a safe way. You can't do it all the time but in moderation everyhing is ok.

If you die without trying E's or coke you're a moron.
 

mrSHEiK124

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There is nothing in the end; life on earth simply will not stop evolving and the universe will continue to expand. You enjoy and make the most of it while you are alive. I look forward to living my own life.. doing what I love to do. There is nothing to look forward to in the end other than the legacy I left behind.

Then why do theories of universal expansion have it eventually shrinking?
 

Dr. Zaus

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Epic thread bro.

Jesus told me that you should have faith in him as the creator and accept the world he made as is instead of being deceived by the religious class that wants you to be leave in their random argument for the day.

Don't be like the sea foam: form your fait. In expenece with Christ, not the folly of mans attempt to defend his faith world against what he sees.

If what you see and what you "know" conflict then it isn't your eyes that are wrong. The best of human eyes supports evolution that involves species filling gaps in an Eco system when they mutate only to have some die off when the part of the Eco system disappears that the originated from.

Spencer's "survival of then fittest" was wrong: but darrwin's niche evolution is quite true.
 

dawp

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Then why do theories of universal expansion have it eventually shrinking?


there are some who think the universe will continue to expand until all is cold and dead and all energy in the universe is used up and there is nothing left.

there is some indication that the universe is accelerating in it expansion.
 
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Locut0s

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Epic thread bro.

Jesus told me that you should have faith in him as the creator and accept the world he made as is instead of being deceived by the religious class that wants you to be leave in their random argument for the day.

Don't be like the sea foam: form your fait. In expenece with Christ, not the folly of mans attempt to defend his faith world against what he sees.

If what you see and what you "know" conflict then it isn't your eyes that are wrong. The best of human eyes supports evolution that involves species filling gaps in an Eco system when they mutate only to have some die off when the part of the Eco system disappears that the originated from.

Spencer's "survival of then fittest" was wrong: but darrwin's niche evolution is quite true.

Is this your really long round about way of saying you believe in evolution that creates adaptive forms but not speciation? Cause that's a straw man argument that's used far too often.
 

Locut0s

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there are some who think the universe will continue to expand until all is cold and dead and all energy in the universe is used up and there is nothing left.

there is some indication that the universe is accelerating in it expansion.

Fairly good indication at the moment.
 

Anarchist420

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There has to be a higher power and there may be good evidence for evolution, but the Torah holds at least some truth to it. I'm neither Jewish nor Christian, but nothing in the Torah has been successfully refuted. People look at the Old Testament in the Christian bible, and do successfully refute it, but that's because it has been changed from the original (i.e., the Torah).

If Jesus lived as the Christian Bible said he did, then he's probably one of the most moral people ever (in part because the only time during his whole life in which he got really angry was when people were practicing fractional reserve banking), but there is no way he could be God incarnate, because the Torah says he can't be.
 

IronWing

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If Jesus lived as the Christian Bible said he did, then he's probably one of the most moral people ever (in part because the only time during his whole life in which he got really angry was when people were practicing fractional reserve banking), but there is no way he could be God incarnate, because the Torah says he can't be.

You get one cookie for this post. :D
 

Paul98

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First off, this post isn't an attack on the Theory of Evolution. I'm not a biologist, or any kind of Scientist, but I'm very interested in living things and I want to understand as much about them as possible. My issues with the Theory of Evolution could be due to my own ignorance, which is why I posted this thread to see if anyone could shed some light on it.​

Go learn get rid of your preconceived notions of what you think should be true. Go look at the actual science. Evolution is a fact and is observed on a daily basis. The Theory of Evolution explains how evolution works. Just like the theory of gravity, we know gravity is a fact as we see it on a daily basis. The Theory of gravity explains how gravity works.
 

mattpegher

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First I will appoligize for not reading the whole thread.
I would just like to mention a few things.
As a physician, I just cant see intelligent design as plausible. First the way humans and other animals are built, just isn't an intelligent design. It works, and it works well, but no creater in his right mind would design us the way we are. Our entire head sensory distribution is one nerve with multiple branches, this leads to many problems. It is this way because it is the same in all animals with slight variation. Many diseases are just a result of the evolutionary process.
Now don't tell me that the creator ment it to be that way. The premise that an omnibenevolent god would intentionally introduce flaws has been debated for centuries and is quite illogical.
 

FelixDeCat

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The truth is believing in God is akin to being insane. Hearing voices and worshipping a non-existing being and all that.

:rolleyes:

Georges Lemaître, (1894-1966), Belgian cosmologist, Catholic priest, and father of the Big Bang theory.

According to the Big Bang theory, the expansion of the observable universe began with the explosion of a single particle at a definite point in time. This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.

Lemaître was born in 1894 in Charleroi, Belgium. As a young man he was attracted to both science and theology, but World War I interrupted his studies (he served as an artillery officer and witnessed the first poison gas attack in history). After the war, Lemaître studied theoretical physics, and in 1923 was ordained as an abbé. The following year, he pursued his scientific studies with the distinguished English astronomer Arthur Eddington, who regarded him as “a very brilliant student, wonderfully quick and clear-sighted, and of great mathematical ability.” Lemaître then went on to America, where he visited most of the major centers of astronomical research. Later, he received his Ph.D. in physics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/web/essaybooks/cosmic/p_lemaitre.html
 

Dr. Zaus

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Is this your really long round about way of saying you believe in evolution that creates adaptive forms but not speciation? Cause that's a straw man argument that's used far too often.

I be leave involution that creates adaptive forms and then changes in the environment create speciation.

I don't believe in the survival of the fittest: one cat having a slightly longer tusk doesn't make sense it would Winn out so strongly over other semi-tusked cats.

What happens is that a cat with a saber tooth is able to fill an environmental niche that other extant species can't; then when a saber-tooth, or whatever else adaptation, occurs through a large genetic mutation the line of saber-tooth tigers then comes into being. They don't out-compete the other big-cats, instead they survive in their own niche... then something happens to the eco system leaving only the saber-tooth niche to survive, the other cats die off, and then the saber-tooth proliferates when the environment becomes hospitable to big-cats in general.

It's a fine distinction, of course, but it does show why we see evolution with big 'gaps' in it and at the same time requires no divine intervention to get there. I also hate the social implications of 'survival of the fittest'.

That said I believe that you, sitting right there, are there because of the will of God who made a set of universal laws, which allowed billions of years of evolution and change, so that God could bring us to this very point; So you could be who you are and I could be who I am and, hope fully, we could all love and have hope.

But ^that^ has nothing at all to do with any replicable scientific point of view; just my brool story ;).
 

Nemesis 1

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There is nothing in the end; life on earth simply will not stop evolving and the universe will continue to expand. You enjoy and make the most of it while you are alive. I look forward to living my own life.. doing what I love to do. There is nothing to look forward to in the end other than the legacy I left behind.

So in your quest for self gratification . You don't believe in another state of being after finding self . Most unusual. In the true teachings of the master. Kingdom of heaven is inside you and all about you. Their is no heaven above or a hell below . You are in the kingdom of God now but unable to comprend that which is all about you. Once you know this death has no power over you . if you have ears to hear than understanding you will have and you will live forever.Death is a non event
 
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DrPizza

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That's a flawed analogy. There is nothing to lose by believing in God. If by chance it's all false, then it does not matter what I believed in, whatever I'm destined to go when I die will happen. However, if God does exist and the Bible is true, then there is a lot to lose by not believing.

Believing in the big bang takes as much faith as God. The fact that nothing bumped into nothing and ended up creating life and a whole universe is quite far fetched when trying to think 100% scientifically. Matter can't be created from nothing, and even if it could, there would need to be some kind of force to initiate it, but if no matter exists to begin with, then where is this force even going to come from?

Either way, I could not care less what people chose to believe in, but it just pisses me off when people bash someone because they don't believe the same thing.
Only on the surface is believing in the Big Bang an act of faith. There's a difference though: shitloads of evidence in support of the big bang theory. In fact, MOST Christians in the world believe in the Big Bang Theory. Furthermore, define "nothing." If you take a cubic centimeter of "space," and create a perfect vacuum with "absolutely nothing" in it, then particles are going to pop into existence and out of existence continually in that space. Particles that did not exist. This is well known, and tested (and you can throw out a lot of your electronics if you don't believe this, else you can declare that those electrical engineers don't know what they're doing. My computer works on magic provided by God.)

Nonetheless, *I'm* not going to type out the evidence for the Big Bang here - even a summary would be as long as this thread (which makes your statement - it's a matter of faith - to be rather laughably incorrect.) Here; sorry about the particular website, but I'm not going to have you read books upon books with observable evidence (and evidence that can be observed by anyone else with the inclination to do so) http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html


A super natural force (does not necessarily have to be God, maybe we're all wrong and it's something totally different) is beyond what we can even comprehend. He/It MADE science. Science could not have created itself, that makes no sense.

I will believe in the big bang when someone manages to create a live animal out of nothing. You demand proof of God, well I'm going to play that game too and demand proof of the big bang.

wtf kind of idiot thinks that the Big Bang has something to do with abiogenesis? Abiogenesis provides zero support for the Big Bang. Zero. None. Even if we created life in a test tube every day, it provides ZERO evidence for the Big Bang. Again, you're making yourself look incredibly ignorant - willfully ignorant, like someone sticking their fingers in their ears going "lalalalalala" for years. But, there is a shitload of evidence for the Big Bang - much of that predicted by theory and later found, such as the cosmic microwave background radiation. Discovery of the CMB is akin to the discovery of a fossilized dinosaur bone. If you found the femur of a t-rex, would you continue to declare that the t-rex never lived? i.e. would you claim that God buried the t-rex bones as a giant joke to test faith? If so, then the CMB is a giant joke to test faith. Or rather, test the faith of a particular narrow view accepted by only a subset of Christians. Again, it's worth point out here as I've done in the past, EVEN the Catholic Pope has said "yep, those scientists have so much evidence for evolution that it's considered fact. Ditto the Big Bang." The Catholics don't have any hangups about either proving that God doesn't exist - again, it's only a narrow subset of Christians who see either theory as an attack on religion. What IS important though is that society prevents their counter-attack from derailing scientific investigation and further progress.

Then why do theories of universal expansion have it eventually shrinking?

Back in roughy the 1970's, there was the question: will the universe keep expanding? Will it's expansion be asymptotic - reaching an equilibrium? Or will its expansion slow down and gravity pull the whole thing back together in a big crunch? The level of precision in observations wasn't good enough to answer this question back then. However, it's since been answered, and it's not going to eventually shrink. (In fact, its expansion appears to be accelerating.)
 
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