Is the sheriff right or wrong about his stand on Narcan?

[Moonbeam]

http://www.starbeacon.com/cnhi_netw...cle_fe47ae67-eac7-5fe6-9bee-7e6bc87e878d.html

Can you support your position with a description of how you see it?

 

[UberNeuman]

I think if it has to be asked, then there's a problem.

 

[fskimospy]

That was easy, wrong. He's saying he won't act to help the public based on inaccurate information.

 

[ivwshane]

What are the duties of a police officer? If a policeman arrives on the scene of a car crash and a victim is trapped in a burning car, are they required to help save them? Is providing medical attention part of their job?

I'd have to know those things first before I could give an answer to your question.

Morally speaking it would seem that police officers would have such a duty but is policing about morality or simply enforcing the law the best way officers see fit?

 

[UberNeuman]

That was easy, wrong. He's saying he won't act to help the public based on inaccurate information.

Common decency and common sense seem to be lost these days..

 

[ModerateRepZero]

his motto seems to be "let the junkie who OD'd die" if he can't be revived

 

[brycejones]

Sheriff is out of line.

 

[Moonbeam]

his motto seems to be "let the junkie who OD'd die" if he can't be revived

Indeed it does but argues that a cop would need to have on his person a cure for every thing and where would it end plus the person did it to themselves. It's not the cops fault or anybody else but the victim. Cops couldn't carry stuff to cover every potential contingency and the person did basically kill themselves.

That was easy, wrong. He's saying he won't act to help the public based on inaccurate information.

What is the inaccurate information? If the information is inaccurate then the basis for his inaction would be wrong. His decision could still be right, however if there is a different logic that would make it so.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Deputies have a responsibility to the public from a legal perspective, however, EMS is the appropriate agency for administering medical assistance of this nature which is what the sheriff is saying and I agree with him.

 

[Jhhnn]

Deputies have a responsibility to the public from a legal perspective, however, EMS is the appropriate agency for administering medical assistance of this nature which is what the sheriff is saying and I agree with him.

Yeh, fuck them stupid junkies. The faster they kill themselves off the more time officers can spend at the donut shop.

 

[jmagg]

Decisions like this usually bite one in the ass. Opiate addiction knows no race or class.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

President Duterte approves this policy. And who wouldn't want to be on the same page as him huh?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Deputies have a responsibility to the public from a legal perspective, however, EMS is the appropriate agency for administering medical assistance of this nature which is what the sheriff is saying and I agree with him.

Would you feel the same way if we were talking about an epipen?

 

[umbrella39]

He is wrong on MANY levels but here is why... when people come into our ER (from EMS or Fire Rescue) we have NO IDEA what you took or if you took anything. OD sure looks like many other conditions. Stoke? We have a limited time to start TPA? How about we administer NARCAN and rule out OD we we can figure out what's going on?

Yep, fuck this moron or any other first responder he wants to saddle with having to make these kinds of decisions. Not every OD is obvious... we are not just going to stop treating people because some overzealous fuckbag says so... If his staff is the first to arrive and they can administer NARCAN... it will save us all time when they show up in ER so we can treat them properly...

 

[Jaskalas]

• Paramedics and firefighters routinely carry the easy-to-administer medication in their vehicles.
• "We don't do the shots for bee stings, we don't inject diabetic people with insulin. When does it stop?" he said

It's an interesting question. If they are to carry medicine to administer...

• Do all officers require extra medical training?
• Do they have storage space in their vehicle?
• Does it have to be maintained at room temperature? How would that happen in a car?
  
• Which "shots" make the list, which do not?

What specific ways should the role of officers overlap with other emergency services? I cannot immediately answer this.

 

[pauldun170]

I used to know some officers who would smirk when they would explain situations where they would come across a dying man and just watch them die without trying to help. People who happen to live in certain communities where crime was an issue. The story that always sticks out is when they came across a guy bleeding out from a gunshot wound and how they all just stood over him mocking him telling him "You gonna die..."
To them everyone in that community was an animal. That's what they called them. Animals. They were never referred to as people. Just animals. It was a predictable.
Most of them are collecting big fat pensions now, with health care and living the easy life. Milking professional courtesy whenever they get the chance.

If the department will not budget for Narcam, they build a culture of choosing which people die on their watch and to watch those people die.
That's some dark shit to live with. over the long haul.

 

[K1052]

• Paramedics and firefighters routinely carry the easy-to-administer medication in their vehicles.
• "We don't do the shots for bee stings, we don't inject diabetic people with insulin. When does it stop?" he said

It's an interesting question. If they are to carry medicine to administer...

• Do all officers require extra medical training?
• Do they have storage space in their vehicle?
• Does it have to be maintained at room temperature? How would that happen in a car?
  
• Which "shots" make the list, which do not?

What specific ways should the role of officers overlap with other emergency services? I cannot immediately answer this.

This seems irrelevant since hundreds of police departments across the country have successfully deployed Narcan. Looking at the arguments made in the article it seems like the sheriff simply doesn't give a shit about people dying form overdoses because of personal responsibility.

 

[Geekbabe]

Follow threads on Facebook on this subject, a huge number of people support just letting those who overdose die. People talking about how diabetics, people with severe allergies & cancer patients don't get free life saving medications.

I think leaving someone to die is cruel & savage. Save them, sort out the bill with them later

 

[brycejones]

Follow threads on Facebook on this subject, a huge number of people support just letting those who overdose die. People talking about how diabetics, people with severe allergies & cancer patients don't get free life saving medications.

I think leaving someone to die is cruel & savage. Save them, sort out the bill with them later

The old we don't help everyone so we should help no one argument is a tiresome one isn't it? I have a feeling many making that argument when asked to ensure everyone had access to cancer drugs would throw out the same excuse.

Also the opioid epidemic hits a very wide swatch of American society. How many people really want their daughter to die because she tried something her friends gave her?

 

[theeedude]

He is elected and simply reflecting his community's pro life values.

 

[sdifox]

Don't want to serve the public? Get out of the public service.

 

[chucky2]

his motto seems to be "let the junkie who OD'd die" if he can't be revived

I'm good with that...

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't agree with him. He's elected, let voters in that area decide

 

[theeedude]

The old we don't help everyone so we should help no one argument is a tiresome one isn't it? I have a feeling many making that argument when asked to ensure everyone had access to cancer drugs would throw out the same excuse.

Also the opioid epidemic hits a very wide swatch of American society. How many people really want their daughter to die because she tried something her friends gave her?

Republicans are polite people who clean up the gene pool after themselves.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Would you feel the same way if we were talking about an epipen?

The same principle should apply to any medical procedure for many reasons including the liability of using such devices. Only trained medical professionals should be administering medication to patients especially when their lives hang in the balance which I believe is the ethical thing to do. Do you want a hairdresser performing orthopedic surgery on you? I think not.