Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
And just as you reject what I have to say so quickly, I'll reject what you have to say quickly until you read Kingdom Cults. Amazon for $20.
Heh. Martin also wrote in that book that Catholics, Buddhists, and Hindus are cults. In fact, he uses the "cult" word like racists use the "n" word.
Originally posted by: sandigga
so what about the mormon church not allowing blacks to be members? (i know they allow it now, but why not for so long)
and what about jesus and lucifer being brothers?
don't mormon's also believe that there are many gods? and that there is also a mother God?
and that our God the father also had a Father? and that our God the Father was once a man on another planet?
they also believe the book of Mormon is greater and takes precedence over the Bible.
The reason Mormonism is not considered Christian is because it distorts two of the three essential Christian doctrines (Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically). it distorts who Jesus was and His work of salvation.
- Wrong, they have always allowed black members. Blacks were simply prohibited from joining the priesthood of the church until 1979, something that was also common among other churches in that day.
- They believe all souls are Children of God, everything in Creation. As for Christ's relationship with Satan, have you read Job 1?
- They believe that the purpose of humankind is to acheive perfection. All that is perfect thinks with one mind. The purpose is to "join" with God in Heaven. That which is perfect could not be male only.
- No, they do not believe the Book of Mormon is greater than the Bible. The books are equal.
As for the 3 "essential" Christian doctrines:
"Jesus is God in flesh" - they believe that Christ is God's only begotten son, as the Bible repeatedly says.
"Forgiveness of sins by grace alone" - this is a Protestant belief only, not a "essential Christian" one. "Faith without works is dead."
"Jesus rose from the dead physically" - the Mormons do believe this one. In fact, they glorify more the resurrected Christ than the crucified Christ (and naturally, they believe in both). Positive thinking, I guess.
Personally, I'm tired of defending a religion I don't even belong to for a bunch of mislead prejudiced asses. You know nothing about what you attack except what you have been told by others, not by your own personal and unbiased investigation. Labels are more important to you than faith. Others of you worship a book and not God; without the book you would have no faith, think about that. Despite the fact that each is trying to worship God as best they can, it is more important to you to condemn and judge based on the manner of worship, as opposed to the evidence of faith itself. You say faith alone saves, but then decry those who have faith because you dislike some small detail of the manner of their belief. Frankly, it disgusts me. People who do not believe in God look at our arguments and believe us to be fools. And you know what? As long as we act this way, they're right.
I leave you with the words of Christ from Matthew 7, may you figure it out.
Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
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