Bignate603
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I believe that the Word of God is expressed through the writings of holy men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
I also believe the suggestion that "the word of god was expressed through a man doing further interpretation on the bible" is contrary to Scripture itself.
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:19-21
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17
While you may be correct about the papyrus only lasting for ten years (not sure though), and the Catholic church keeping it's followers in darkness, the rest is your opinion, with which I disagree.
D
Kanalua
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So which INTERPRETATION of the Bible do you think is true and which is of Satan? is it an arbitrary choice which INTERPRETATION you use? Do you even believe the Bible is the word of good, or do you believe that your INTERPRETATION is the word of God (there is a difference)? Are you even reading the words you write?
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"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19"
Ummm we didn't add onto revelations even though some accuse us that the BOM is a addition to revelations.
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19"
Ummm we didn't add onto revelations even though some accuse us that the BOM is a addition to revelations.
Bignate603
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It says that book. Remember that when that was written there was not really something like the Bible as there is now. The closest would be the Torah but each book in the Bible for the most part existed alone. So knowing the context makes it seem more like the meaning of that passage is that people should not add to or alter the book of revelations (which would be very easy during the different translations and interpetations the bible went through to reach it's current form in many languages).
The english translation which I regard as authoritative and trustworthy is the King James Bible. I believe the Bible is the Word of God. I believe my interpretation of the Bible is exactly that. I encourage people to read the Scriptures for themselves to see whether or not they concur with my interpretation, as I am but a man, and fully capable of being decieved.
Deception only works when it gives the appearance of Truth. If Satan looked like an angel of darkness, he would have a difficult time trying to convince people to trust him, he appears however, an angel of light.
D
So what your saying is that it's Ok to add to or subtract from everything else in the Bible except for the book of Revelation?
Bignate603
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I'm not saying it's ok and I think you know it. I'm just saying that logically this section seems to me that it's fairly straightforward in what it says. If you know what I mean why attack me on phrasing? It's not very Christian of you 
Originally posted by: Bignate603
I'm not saying it's ok and I think you know it. I'm just saying that logically this section seems to me that it's fairly straightforward in what it says. If you know what I mean why attack me on phrasing? It's not very Christian of you
I'm not attacking you on phrasing, do you or don't you think that passage refers only to the book of Revelation?
Mormons suck man...i live in Salt Lake City...the fu*king mormon capital of the world....it ia a cult....they start off brain washing at birth.....sickos man...
Vic
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What he was saying is that to say that all revelation ceased at that point would be to take power from God and place it in the hands of men, your slur to the contrary nonwithstanding.
IMO, your interpretation says that God no longer has the ability to speak to you.
Move. They built the city.
Well....if that's the definition, then once again, every western religion is a cult and most eastern ones are as well.
Bignate603
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Originally posted by: petrek
Originally posted by: Bignate603
I'm not saying it's ok and I think you know it. I'm just saying that logically this section seems to me that it's fairly straightforward in what it says. If you know what I mean why attack me on phrasing? It's not very Christian of you
I'm not attacking you on phrasing, do you or don't you think that passage refers only to the book of Revelation?
Sigh, I really don't want to get into an arguement here. Yes I think that applies to Revelations, no I don't believe that this implies you can change other stuff in the Bible, I highly doubt God look kindly about anyone putting words in his mouth, yes I believe the Bible to be the word of God (and actually my Bible also happens to be the King James version).
I think that about covers that.
Bignate603
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Originally posted by: Vic
What he was saying is that to say that all revelation ceased at that point would be to take power from God and place it in the hands of men, your slur to the contrary nonwithstanding.
IMO, your interpretation says that God no longer has the ability to speak to you.
:disgust:
Move. They built the city.
Thanks vic, you hit the nail on the head. I also agree with you on SLC, lol. Mormons built it because the rest of the country didn't want them so rather then fight they went off on their own. Now others complain that the city has a big Mormon population. Doesn't make too much sense does it?
"What he was saying is that to say that all revelation ceased at that point would be to take power from God and place it in the hands of men, your slur to the contrary nonwithstanding.
IMO, your interpretation says that God no longer has the ability to speak to you."
Listen again to what God says:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
If anything, denying the Word of God, and claiming that men are still able to speak for God in contradiction to His Word is to take the power away from God and give it to men. God said what he needed to say, what I and anyone else who chooses to listen needs to hear. When I read the Bible I hear his voice.
D
IMO, your interpretation says that God no longer has the ability to speak to you."
Listen again to what God says:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
If anything, denying the Word of God, and claiming that men are still able to speak for God in contradiction to His Word is to take the power away from God and give it to men. God said what he needed to say, what I and anyone else who chooses to listen needs to hear. When I read the Bible I hear his voice.
D
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: petrek
Originally posted by: Bignate603
I'm not saying it's ok and I think you know it. I'm just saying that logically this section seems to me that it's fairly straightforward in what it says. If you know what I mean why attack me on phrasing? It's not very Christian of you
I'm not attacking you on phrasing, do you or don't you think that passage refers only to the book of Revelation?
Sigh, I really don't want to get into an arguement here. Yes I think that applies to Revelations, no I don't believe that this implies you can change other stuff in the Bible, I highly doubt God look kindly about anyone putting words in his mouth, yes I believe the Bible to be the word of God (and actually my Bible also happens to be the King James version).
I think that about covers that.
However, putting words in God's mouth is exactly what the Book of Mormon does. Which is why (I assume) you are unwilling to state that that passage refers to all of Scripture, because in so doing you would be admitting that the Book of Mormon is heresy.
Thus your statement "no I don't believe that this implies you can change other stuff in the Bible" confuses me.
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Vic
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As others have already stated, you're under the false impression that the Bible as we know it today was a completed work at the time that Revelations was written. The quote of "this book" could not have applied to the Bible as a whole and as we know it today because it did not yet exist at that time. The Torah and the Septuagent (OT only) existed, but the NT (including Rev) was not incorporated into the whole until much later. The word "Bible" itself means a set of books.
In context, Rev 22:18-19 can only be interpreted as applying to the Book of Revelations and not the Bible as a whole. No, that would not then make it okay to alter the other books. And even if it were to made to apply to the Bible as a whole, I still do not see how it could be interpreted to mean that God would no longer speak to and/or provide revelation to chosen persons anymore, or that there could not be other books.
What your interpretation does mean is that individuals can be persecuted for having non-mainstream beliefs in God. It means they can be attacked for claiming to have received revelation from God, because your "interpretation" says that God has now forsaken us, therefore any further revelation "must" be from Satan, any possible validity of such words being from God is not important, as you have decided beforehand. The power is not in God to speak to us, but in man to decide that God can speak to us no more. What you have, sorry to say, is the same belief that the Pharisees had. Your heart and mind is closed, your faith is in a sealed book and not in God, and God cannot reach you.
Bignate603
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Originally posted by: petrek
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: petrek
Originally posted by: Bignate603
I'm not saying it's ok and I think you know it. I'm just saying that logically this section seems to me that it's fairly straightforward in what it says. If you know what I mean why attack me on phrasing? It's not very Christian of you
I'm not attacking you on phrasing, do you or don't you think that passage refers only to the book of Revelation?
Sigh, I really don't want to get into an arguement here. Yes I think that applies to Revelations, no I don't believe that this implies you can change other stuff in the Bible, I highly doubt God look kindly about anyone putting words in his mouth, yes I believe the Bible to be the word of God (and actually my Bible also happens to be the King James version).
I think that about covers that.
However, putting words in God's mouth is exactly what the Book of Mormon does. Which is why (I assume) you are unwilling to state that that passage refers to all of Scripture, because in so doing you would be admitting that the Book of Mormon is heresy.
Thus your statement "no I don't believe that this implies you can change other stuff in the Bible" confuses me.
D
We don't believe it puts words into his mouth because to us it's the same as the other scriptures, it was revelation given to prophets. If you go by our beliefs it's as much putting words in God's mouth as the Bible is. I'm not saying you need to believe it, just realize how we think of it.
If you hate mormons, why are you in SLC? It's like living in Boston and complaining about Yankees.
And as I have stated before, it is unreasonable and illogical for me to believe that that passage refers only to revelation, some people believe that to be the case and they are entitled to their opinion. To suggest that the book, the Bible, had not been compliled and therefore that passage could not possibly refer to it as such, is to underestimate the knowledge of God. It also quite simply defies logic to suggest that it's ok to tamper with the Bible, as long as you leave Revelation alone.
Have you read Revelation, if so, then you are aware that it speaks of future events. In fact, it tells man how the end will come, and what will happen. Why would you need to know more than that, being that is all.
The Bible was written long before my time, yet I am saved. How is this possible? It is possible because the word of God is timeless. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. God revealed himself through his word, and I accepted Him. The more I read the Bible, the more he reveals himself to me.
God says:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17
What need have I for more than perfection?
D
petrek i believe that it states that same thing in other books besides revelations. The part where your not supposed to add or subtract. I think there's at least a few books in the bible that state that i'm not sure off the top of my head but i believe i heard something like that.
Thank you for recognizing that fact.
And it is for that reason that I and many others view Mormonism as a cult. I am a man, just like Smith was a man, and while he is entitled to his opinion, if what he says is in disagreement with what the Bible tells me, he is the liar. Considering that the Bible speaks often of false teachers, I find it difficult to believe that individuals are willing to trust a man who decided 1800 years or so after the completion of the Holy Scriptures to write an amendation to them, citing numerous events and places that have absolutely no basis in historical fact.
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I've never heard of the term "Infant Damnation". I believe infant baptism is not biblical. I believe in an age of consent, where a child becomes aware of his own soul. Prior to such an awareness, if the child dies it goes to heaven.
D
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