Is the California Recall Unconstitutional/Fair?

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esquared

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I haven't read this thread through, but does anyone know how much money this stupid process is costing the state of California and how much money is getting dumped into it?
I'll look for a link but I seem to remember that a number like 276M was being thrown around.


Edit: I guess my memory still works.
That's the number from the state finance dept, in this link.

 
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soundforbjt

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What re the rules for a recall? If Elder did win, could Dems immediately start a recall of Elder?
 

fskimospy

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What re the rules for a recall? If Elder did win, could Dems immediately start a recall of Elder?

If memory serves you have to be in office for like six months first, at which point Elder would already be running for and losing re-election.
 

GodisanAtheist

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I really dislike Newsom, I don't understand what is so hard about not being a hypocrite douche about not following your own lockdown restrictions and going and having a dinner with fucking lobbyists at the French Laundry. Keep schools closed for students, sends his own students to private school. Shady dealings in terms of wildfire preparedness.

That being said, the fact that Larry Fucking Elder is leading the Republican polls basically forces me to vote No on the recall campaign.

The campaign itself has been OK though. It lit a fire (no pun intended, I swear) under Newsom's ass to get schools back in session and he offered up a huge pot of money to schools that go back in person. Our district was all wishy washy and perpetually in negotiations with the teachers to try and find the right solution but lo and behold, dangle a $6 billion pot of money in front of them and suddenly the tune whipped around to "We WILL be going back to in person instruction in the fall, even if we don't have a plan yet".

As a hedge, I did bubble in Kevin Faulconer as my choice should Newsom be recalled. The Dem on the ticket is practically a non-entity. At least Faulconer is a classic "CA Republican" and pragmatist who I don't agree with entirely but won't be the same kind of shitpile Elder would be.
 

ivwshane

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I really dislike Newsom, I don't understand what is so hard about not being a hypocrite douche about not following your own lockdown restrictions and going and having a dinner with fucking lobbyists at the French Laundry. Keep schools closed for students, sends his own students to private school. Shady dealings in terms of wildfire preparedness.

That being said, the fact that Larry Fucking Elder is leading the Republican polls basically forces me to vote No on the recall campaign.

The campaign itself has been OK though. It lit a fire (no pun intended, I swear) under Newsom's ass to get schools back in session and he offered up a huge pot of money to schools that go back in person. Our district was all wishy washy and perpetually in negotiations with the teachers to try and find the right solution but lo and behold, dangle a $6 billion pot of money in front of them and suddenly the tune whipped around to "We WILL be going back to in person instruction in the fall, even if we don't have a plan yet".

As a hedge, I did bubble in Kevin Faulconer as my choice should Newsom be recalled. The Dem on the ticket is practically a non-entity. At least Faulconer is a classic "CA Republican" and pragmatist who I don't agree with entirely but won't be the same kind of shitpile Elder would be.

You sound like you are all in on elders talking points.
 
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manly

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Mark Zuckerberg, the grift that keeps on giving.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/technology/recall-election-california-rumors-newsom.html

These two rumors are going viral ahead of California’s recall election.

By Davey Alba

As California’s Sept. 14 election over whether to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom draws closer, unfounded rumors about the event are growing.
Here are two that are circulating widely online, how they spread and why, state and local officials said, they are wrong.

Rumor No. 1: Holes in the ballot envelopes were being used to screen out votes that say “yes” to a recall.

On Aug. 19, a woman posted a video on Instagram of herself placing her California special election ballot in an envelope.

“You have to pay attention to these two holes that are in front of the envelope,” she said, bringing the holes close to the camera so viewers could see them. “You can see if someone has voted ‘yes’ to recall Newsom. This is very sketchy and irresponsible in my opinion, but this is asking for fraud.”

The idea that the ballot envelope’s holes were being used to weed out the votes of those who wanted Gov. Newsom, a Democrat, to be recalled rapidly spread online, according to a review by The New York Times.

The Instagram video collected nearly half a million views. On the messaging app Telegram, posts that said California was rigging the special election amassed nearly 200,000 views. And an article about the ballot holes on the far-right site The Gateway Pundit reached up to 626,000 people on Facebook, according to data from CrowdTangle, a Facebook-owned social media analytics tool.

State and local officials said the ballot holes were not new and were not being used nefariously. The holes were placed in the envelope, on either end of a signature line, to help low-vision voters know where to sign it, said Jenna Dresner, a spokeswoman for the California Secretary of State’s Office of Election Cybersecurity.

The ballot envelope’s design has been used for several election cycles, and civic design consultants recommended the holes for accessibility, added Mike Sanchez, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County registrar. He said voters could choose to put the ballot in the envelope in such a way that didn’t reveal any ballot marking at all through a hole.

Instagram has since appended a fact-check label to the original video to note that it could mislead people. The fact check has reached up to 20,700 people, according to CrowdTangle data.

Rumor No. 2: A felon stole ballots to help Governor Newsom win the recall election.

On Aug. 17, the police in Torrance, Calif., published a post on Facebook that said officers had responded to a call about a man who was passed out in his car in a 7-Eleven parking lot. The man had items such as a loaded firearm, drugs and thousands of pieces of mail, including more than 300 unopened mail-in ballots for the special election, the police said.

Far-right sites such as Red Voice Media and Conservative Firing Line claimed the incident was an example of Democrats’ trying to steal an election through mail-in ballots. Their articles were then shared on Facebook, where they collectively reached up to 1.57 million people, according to CrowdTangle data.

Mark Ponegalek, a public information officer for the Torrance Police Department, said the investigation into the incident was continuing. The U.S. postal inspector was also involved, he said, and no conclusions had been reached.

As a result, he said, online articles and posts concluding that the man was attempting voter fraud were “baseless.”

“I have no indication to tell you one way or the other right now” whether the man intended to commit election fraud with the ballots he collected, Mr. Ponegalek said. He added that the man may have intended to commit identity fraud.
 

Zorba

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Mark Zuckerberg, the grift that keeps on giving.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/technology/recall-election-california-rumors-newsom.html

These two rumors are going viral ahead of California’s recall election.

By Davey Alba

As California’s Sept. 14 election over whether to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom draws closer, unfounded rumors about the event are growing.
Here are two that are circulating widely online, how they spread and why, state and local officials said, they are wrong.

Rumor No. 1: Holes in the ballot envelopes were being used to screen out votes that say “yes” to a recall.

On Aug. 19, a woman posted a video on Instagram of herself placing her California special election ballot in an envelope.

“You have to pay attention to these two holes that are in front of the envelope,” she said, bringing the holes close to the camera so viewers could see them. “You can see if someone has voted ‘yes’ to recall Newsom. This is very sketchy and irresponsible in my opinion, but this is asking for fraud.”

The idea that the ballot envelope’s holes were being used to weed out the votes of those who wanted Gov. Newsom, a Democrat, to be recalled rapidly spread online, according to a review by The New York Times.

The Instagram video collected nearly half a million views. On the messaging app Telegram, posts that said California was rigging the special election amassed nearly 200,000 views. And an article about the ballot holes on the far-right site The Gateway Pundit reached up to 626,000 people on Facebook, according to data from CrowdTangle, a Facebook-owned social media analytics tool.

State and local officials said the ballot holes were not new and were not being used nefariously. The holes were placed in the envelope, on either end of a signature line, to help low-vision voters know where to sign it, said Jenna Dresner, a spokeswoman for the California Secretary of State’s Office of Election Cybersecurity.

The ballot envelope’s design has been used for several election cycles, and civic design consultants recommended the holes for accessibility, added Mike Sanchez, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County registrar. He said voters could choose to put the ballot in the envelope in such a way that didn’t reveal any ballot marking at all through a hole.

Instagram has since appended a fact-check label to the original video to note that it could mislead people. The fact check has reached up to 20,700 people, according to CrowdTangle data.

Rumor No. 2: A felon stole ballots to help Governor Newsom win the recall election.

On Aug. 17, the police in Torrance, Calif., published a post on Facebook that said officers had responded to a call about a man who was passed out in his car in a 7-Eleven parking lot. The man had items such as a loaded firearm, drugs and thousands of pieces of mail, including more than 300 unopened mail-in ballots for the special election, the police said.

Far-right sites such as Red Voice Media and Conservative Firing Line claimed the incident was an example of Democrats’ trying to steal an election through mail-in ballots. Their articles were then shared on Facebook, where they collectively reached up to 1.57 million people, according to CrowdTangle data.

Mark Ponegalek, a public information officer for the Torrance Police Department, said the investigation into the incident was continuing. The U.S. postal inspector was also involved, he said, and no conclusions had been reached.

As a result, he said, online articles and posts concluding that the man was attempting voter fraud were “baseless.”

“I have no indication to tell you one way or the other right now” whether the man intended to commit election fraud with the ballots he collected, Mr. Ponegalek said. He added that the man may have intended to commit identity fraud.
I think someone needs to explain to Zuck that rich Jews got gassed too. Can't believe how much he loves supporting Nazis.
 

uclaLabrat

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I really dislike Newsom, I don't understand what is so hard about not being a hypocrite douche about not following your own lockdown restrictions and going and having a dinner with fucking lobbyists at the French Laundry. Keep schools closed for students, sends his own students to private school. Shady dealings in terms of wildfire preparedness.

That being said, the fact that Larry Fucking Elder is leading the Republican polls basically forces me to vote No on the recall campaign.

The campaign itself has been OK though. It lit a fire (no pun intended, I swear) under Newsom's ass to get schools back in session and he offered up a huge pot of money to schools that go back in person. Our district was all wishy washy and perpetually in negotiations with the teachers to try and find the right solution but lo and behold, dangle a $6 billion pot of money in front of them and suddenly the tune whipped around to "We WILL be going back to in person instruction in the fall, even if we don't have a plan yet".

As a hedge, I did bubble in Kevin Faulconer as my choice should Newsom be recalled. The Dem on the ticket is practically a non-entity. At least Faulconer is a classic "CA Republican" and pragmatist who I don't agree with entirely but won't be the same kind of shitpile Elder would be.
I am so unbelievably fucking pissed that schools are back in session right now. The distance learning aspect is complete shit too. It's incomprehensible that kids are all going on site and barely distanced in a lot of cases.

Even masked, unvaccinated populations indoors and close proximity are going to be a fucking disaster, as we're seeing.
 

BoomerD

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I am so unbelievably fucking pissed that schools are back in session right now. The distance learning aspect is complete shit too. It's incomprehensible that kids are all going on site and barely distanced in a lot of cases.

Even masked, unvaccinated populations indoors and close proximity are going to be a fucking disaster, as we're seeing.

Doncha know...according to the Righties...kids don't get COVID...and if they do, it's not very serious...and if it is, they almost never die from it...and if they do, it's not the fault of the anti-maskers...people who might be at risk should take better precautions.
 
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Yeah, whatever Bub ......


California recall candidate Larry Elder says it could be argued that slave owners were owed reparations after the Civil War

www.businessinsider.com.ico
Business Insider|4 hours ago
Because slavery was legal at the time, Elder said that it could be argued that both Black people and slave owners are owed reparations.
 

BoomerD

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I've only once seen any evidence of smart Californians.

Gavin has this in the bag. No way California will elect a republican.

Deukmejian, Wilson, Schwartzenactor... just the most recent 3 republicans...although it COULD be argued that Ah-Nold was RINO...
 

Greenman

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Deukmejian, Wilson, Schwartzenactor... just the most recent 3 republicans...although it COULD be argued that Ah-Nold was RINO...
We'll know in nine days. My prediction is that Gavin remains in office by at least a 5 point margin, though 10 wouldn't surprise me at all.
 

BoomerD

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We'll know in nine days. My prediction is that Gavin remains in office by at least a 5 point margin, though 10 wouldn't surprise me at all.

Since I'm no longer a Kahleeforneeyn, I don't have a dog in the fight, but Larry Elder, the presumptive Republican front-runner seems like a terrible choice.
 

uclaLabrat

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Since I'm no longer a Kahleeforneeyn, I don't have a dog in the fight, but Larry Elder, the presumptive Republican front-runner seems like a terrible choice.
Just drove through redding yesterday and all the signs proclaiming the opposite were certainly amusing 😂