Is the 7950 or 670 truly faster

[wand3r3r]

There are certainly people trying to give their fav. company a reacharound so I'm merely ready to call them out if they appear to do so.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

I don't remember if the two companies were ever so close in their life, not even during the 1900xt era or ti 4600 era,

 

[amenx]

OK, my bad. Sorry ICDP for misconstruing your statement "A GTX680 needs to be ~75MHz faster than a HD 7950 to match it for performance." That was taken by me at stock and didnt throughly read following posts where you attempted to clarify that. Ultimately, I guess a very good OC'ing 7950 (1230mhz) can beat an OC'd 680 in some scenarios.

 

[ICDP]

OK, my bad. Sorry ICDP for misconstruing your statement "A GTX680 needs to be ~75MHz faster than a HD 7950 to match it for performance." That was taken by me at stock and didnt throughly read following posts where you attempted to clarify that. Ultimately, I guess a very good OC'ing 7950 (1230mhz) can beat an OC'd 680 in some scenarios.

No worries, I have been rash to respond in the past without truly reading what I'm responding to. Though I want to be clear, I didn't state a 1230MHz OC'd 7950 would trade blows with an OC'd GTX 680. I stated (and showed) an 1150 - 1175 OC on a 7950 would trade blows with a OC'd GTX 680 at ~1202 - 1228 MHz. A GTX 680 or HD 7950 may clock higher overall, but not so much that the performance is truly noticeable. I was deliberately showing more moderate/achievable overclocks on both cards as I feel claiming top end overclocks as representative is dishonest.

This brings me back to my original statement to the OP. A GTX 670 and HD 7950 would be equal to, and in fact are so close to GTX 680 and HD 7970 at similar clocks that it would be hard to tell them apart for performance.

Go for the cheapest one and be happy you are getting top end performance at mid-range prices.

 

[guskline]

Don't own a 7950 ( have a 7870OC). However, I have 2 EVGA GTX670 FTWs in SLI and they scream!

 

[3DVagabond]

FYI, it isn't. The norm for a 7950 is closer to 1050-1100. There's a silicon limit that starts around 1150.

Even though I like my 7950, stop spreading this overclock BS. Not every chip is capable of hitting those high numbers.

Any recent reviews of 7950's I've read the cards have all done better than 1050-1100. I agree though that 1230 is far from guaranteed. I think any registered users here know that O/C'ing varies.

 

[Dravonic]

I have a reference 7970 that I can push to 1125, but not beyond that with stock air. It's already deafening as it is.

 

[3DVagabond]

Who said it wasn't a good card? You do this for a living hey?
A 680 o/c's also.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_680_Lightning/31.html
MSI/GTX_680_Lightning

54 VS 86 ? This is atypical of what's posted lately O/C vs stock, example.

When people post about O/C'd 7950's outperforming stock 680's, the point they are making is that for ~$300 you can reach the same, or better, level of performance as a ~$500 card. This is the first generation where you can make up that much perf/$ by O/C'ing. People used to do this all of the time with the 460 because it could O'C to catch the 5850. Imagine it could have O/C'd to pass the 480. That's what we have here.

LOL at going all the way back to Feb of last year for the 7950 scores. You do realize that current performance is a lot higher than that? Or, were you purposely trying to make the comparison as skewed as possible to imply that's what wanderer is doing in his comparison?

 

[notty22]

When people post about O/C'd 7950's outperforming stock 680's, the point they are making is that for ~$300 you can reach the same, or better, level of performance as a ~$500 card. This is the first generation where you can make up that much perf/$ by O/C'ing. People used to do this all of the time with the 460 because it could O'C to catch the 5850. Imagine it could have O/C'd to pass the 480. That's what we have here.

LOL at going all the way back to Feb of last year for the 7950 scores. You do realize that current performance is a lot higher than that? Or, were you purposely trying to make the comparison as skewed as possible to imply that's what wanderer is doing in his comparison?

LOL, they haven't tested many Tahiti's lately if you haven't noticed, and I can post reviews that show Nvidia has gained their own driver increases and have re-gained if they ever lost the performance lead in BF3.
So maybe you ought to not jump in and try to clarify or put words in every persons mouths*** like you do, it's sorry.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/12 02/21/13 new enough to count !

AMD and NVIDIA have gone back and forth in this game over the past year, and as of late NVIDIA has held a very slight edge with the GTX 680.

Look mom, no 7950 even in the playing field, lol

example of ***

Are you saying that you can't under volt AMD cards without stuttering? I'm not sure what you are talking about when you refer to "reach their power limit"?

Here is your typical defensive posturing.

 

[ICDP]

LOL, they haven't tested many Tahiti's lately if you haven't noticed, and I can post reviews that show Nvidia has gained their own driver increases and have re-gained if they ever lost the performance lead in BF3.
So maybe you ought to not jump in and try to clarify or put words in every persons mouths*** like you do, it's sorry.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/12 02/21/13 new enough to count !
Look mom, no 7950 even in the playing field, lol

example of ***

Here is your typical defensive posturing.

That review also doesn't show results for a GTX 670 or 660Ti either, do we adopt your infantile logic and conclude it is because they are crap?

Here is a recent review of a HD 7950 that reached 1255 core clock. This shows it being faster than a stock GTX 680. Do some research before you spout more drivel please.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-hd-7970-iceq-x-hd-7950-iceq-x-review-14.html

 

[3DVagabond]

LOL, they haven't tested many Tahiti's lately if you haven't noticed, and I can post reviews that show Nvidia has gained their own driver increases and have re-gained if they ever lost the performance lead in BF3.
So maybe you ought to not jump in and try to clarify or put words in every persons mouths*** like you do, it's sorry.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/12 02/21/13 new enough to count !
Look mom, no 7950 even in the playing field, lol

example of ***

You changed review sites and, with it, review settings. Couldn't you find something more recent on TPU?

...and once overclocked it shoots right past all of those more expensive cards. This is the main strong point of the 7950. This is why so many people recommend it. All of those other cards can be O/C'd too, but do you really think they are going to give anyone an appreciably better gaming performance?

Here is your typical defensive posturing.

What was I defending? I was asking for clarification because how it was worded seemed to say that undervolting AMD cards made them stutter. Speaking of defensive, Mr. Kettle.

 

[guskline]

Here is the link on Anandtech benchmarks between the 7950 with boost and the 670
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/645?vs=598

 

[notty22]

Now we are holding up trophy review o/c's as our own are we? You have flip flopped a few times with your numbers. First one number is conservative, then it's not, it's actually all you can run. Now we know where you get your database.

 

[Vesku]

Yeah total bs. There is no stutter on a single 7950 I can see at all. Everything plays fine on my machine with a 7950 in it. The pronouncements of the newly self-anointed microstutter messiahs are getting plain silly at this point. :sneaky:

Agreed, would have returned my 7950 if I'd experienced any microstutter issues. I'd say 670 and 7950 are fairly equal, certainly wouldn't tolerate a price difference of more than $50.

 

[Muyoso]

I decided to go with a GTX 670 because I had had enough of AMD's drivers being shit. Had a 5850 that wrote novels in my Event Viewer every time I played a game logging incessant useless warnings. It would flicker like crazy on dual monitors and when playing video due to the memory clocks changing constantly. It was a mess. Ran games fine at an acceptable fps, but the drivers were atrocious.

Also, probably want to purchase a second GPU in like a year, and I hear Crossfire support is a stuttering mess compared to SLI. I always buy the "better deal", but chose to splurge on a very nice MSI GTX 670 PE OC for $370 about a month ago. Loving it so far. Hopefully in 6 months to a year prices come down enough so that I can pick up another.

 

[Firestorm007]

n/m

 

[Will Robinson]

LOL at going all the way back to Feb of last year for the 7950 scores. You do realize that current performance is a lot higher than that? Or, were you purposely trying to make the comparison as skewed as possible to imply that's what wanderer is doing in his comparison?

Of course he was.... he just didn't expect anyone to notice.
Everything he posts is dipped in green ink,that's his job.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

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[notty22]

Of course he was.... he just didn't expect anyone to notice.
Everything he posts is dipped in green ink,that's his job.

Typical of you, who has never contributed anything of worth. Never mind of technical nature. What has changed in AMD's lineup that is over a year old. Drivers? Same old story, every web site is telling you AMD's drivers are a mess, and you point to old reviews as evidence of some deception only a small mind could conceive.

 

[Will Robinson]

ok...I'll start off with a few helpful " ~~" posts.
That oughta get my post count up and obviously meets your content requirements.:whiste:

 

[notty22]

ok...I'll start off with a few helpful " ~~" posts.
That oughta get my post count up and obviously meets your content requirements.:whiste:

Danger Danger , willy the troll is thinking long, now we should all be scared from what comes next.
His excuse from never contributing anything but trolling and flaming is having a impeccable record as being totally unbiased and warped/ linkedin.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Typical of you, who has never contributed anything of worth. Never mind of technical nature. What has changed in AMD's lineup that is over a year old. Drivers? Same old story, every web site is telling you AMD's drivers are a mess, and you point to old reviews as evidence of some deception only a small mind could conceive.

You're derailing the thread with your (baseless) insults. How about we get back on topic?

 

[notty22]

You're derailing the thread with your (baseless) insults. How about we get back on topic?

3 words retail expert, report the post. Don't lecture, it's wasted with your banned history.

 

[Rvenger]

The OP asked about 7950 or gtx 670.

Here is a recent review, declaring the 660ti a better option than the 7950. But what do they know.

AMD Radeon HD 7950 Boost vs. Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti: frametimes review

They cost about the same, but which one is the fastest?

1.5gb of useful VRAM vs 3gb....

192bit bus vs 384bit...

IMO you are throwing away money because you will be bandwidth constrained over the next year on the 660ti. I don't even need a counter argument because I own them both and I know when you crank to 4x MSAA on a 660ti, it goes to its knees fast.

 

[Will Robinson]

Danger Danger , willy the troll is thinking long, now we should all be scared from what comes next.
His excuse from never contributing anything but trolling and flaming is having a impeccable record as being totally unbiased and warped/ linkedin.

From one of the many PMs I receive...

Thanks for your advice, I ended up buying the card you recommended and its worked out great. I'm actually building a new pc now though!

I guess I should just conduct business on the public pages....you'd be good with that right?