Is Sony intentionally trying to kill Blu-Ray?

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
My question is, why would anyone want blu ray right now? We are seeing that streaming media is the future. Instant gratification is the future. The only advantage blu ray currently holds is picture/sound quality. That will change over the next two years. So why would I want to invest in something that is going to be dead within 5 years. At least DVDs had a pretty darn good lifespan.

I've been enjoying high-bitrate 1080p goodness for my movies for a couple of years now, paying $0 extra for the discs since I have Netflix. ($1 a month extra now, on noes.)

Blu-ray isn't going away for at least a decade.

If you're paying $50+ a month for high speed internet you can stream low-bitrate "HD" for instant gratification until you reach your ISP's bandwidth cap, but unless you like commercials you'll be paying $4+ a rental ... or getting a Netflix subscription.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
My question is, why would anyone want blu ray right now? We are seeing that streaming media is the future. Instant gratification is the future. The only advantage blu ray currently holds is picture/sound quality. That will change over the next two years. So why would I want to invest in something that is going to be dead within 5 years. At least DVDs had a pretty darn good lifespan.

I do not believe the same will be said about blu ray.
.

Many ISP's are implementing download caps so we need to see if/how that will impact movie downloads...

how will this change over the next 2 years? Will everyone have FIOS by then or something? will regular DSL users be able to stream a 1080p movie?

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: techs
I was in Best Buy today looking around and noticed that Blu-Ray home players were still way overpriced. Ignoring the cheap off brand the cheapest was a Samsung for 250. The rest were 300 dollars or more.
I can get a Sony blu-ray drive at NewEgg for 79 bucks.
Maybe the economics escape me, but if decent blu-ray players were 149.00 they would be flying out the door, I believe.
It's almost as if Sony intends for home blu-ray players to be a niche market for the videophile instead of the mass market replacement for dvd's.

One thing to keep in mind is that there are serious issues getting uncompressed audio out of computer blu-ray drives. Does it still sound better than regular dvds? Yes. Is it as good as a regular Bluray player? No (If you have at least a decent sound system)

 

[Cogman]

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[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Codewiz
My question is, why would anyone want blu ray right now? We are seeing that streaming media is the future. Instant gratification is the future. The only advantage blu ray currently holds is picture/sound quality. That will change over the next two years. So why would I want to invest in something that is going to be dead within 5 years. At least DVDs had a pretty darn good lifespan.

I do not believe the same will be said about blu ray.
.

Many ISP's are implementing download caps so we need to see if/how that will impact movie downloads...

how will this change over the next 2 years? Will everyone have FIOS by then or something? will regular DSL users be able to stream a 1080p movie?

I'm hearing more and more of this too, and before they just made your speed lower which is fine, since you can just leave a bunch of downloads go overnight. But some overcharge. Not everyone is equipped to have router RTG graphs at their disposal to ensure they wont get a 1k bill at the end of the month. So this is bad especially for movie downloaders.

My ISP is unlimited so I should probably take advantage of it.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
I have the money.. but I like to get a good bang for the buck.

Additionally, until BSG, DS9, or Farscape come out on blur-ray, I have 0 need to buy one. 99.9999% of movies suck. I have no need to buy them.

Supposedly, Farscape is not in Henson's plans for remastering. Plus, only Season 4 and the PKW movie can be converted easily. The other ones were shot at lower quality.

I just wish I could find the DVDs for Farscape at a good price (or at all) .

 

[Inferno0032]

Right now, I think this is the psychology and economics Sony is going to play a bit.

Person sees Blu-Ray play for $300+
They realize they could have a PS3 for $400, which has a hard drive, and is basically an entire computer.

Psychology is that PS3= good deal, which then hopefully sells some games and accessories.

That's my take on it at this point.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Inferno0032
Right now, I think this is the psychology and economics Sony is going to play a bit.

Person sees Blu-Ray play for $300+
They realize they could have a PS3 for $400, which has a hard drive, and is basically an entire computer.

Psychology is that PS3= good deal, which then hopefully sells some games and accessories.

That's my take on it at this point.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123050978162738293.html

One of the PlayStation 3's key non-gaming selling points - the inexpensive Blu-ray player - has been rendered moot, as the market sees stand-alone players that run for $200. Between that fact and the downturn in the economy, Sony's strategy for the PS3 seems to be backfiring. It isn't that it wasn't a sound strategy - it's just that the economy suddenly became hostile to high prices.

Not all blu-ray players are $300. You're using one example and taking it as fact.

http://www.kokeytechnology.com...ntendo-wii-sales-2009/

PS3 sales are still 1/3 lower than Xbox 360. It's good in theory to believe that people are buying the PS3 for blu-ray, but it's simply overblown. Most mom and pops consider the PS3 to be a gaming console. Only the geek crowd would use the PS3 as a blu-ray player only. I know my mom would never buy a ps3 for a blu-ray player. She'd buy the real thing.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: finite automaton
You really seem to care way too much about what people think.

If that is what you got out of my posts then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
My question is, why would anyone want blu ray right now? We are seeing that streaming media is the future. Instant gratification is the future. The only advantage blu ray currently holds is picture/sound quality. That will change over the next two years. So why would I want to invest in something that is going to be dead within 5 years. At least DVDs had a pretty darn good lifespan.

I do not believe the same will be said about blu ray.

LOL, is that all? :roll: How about this, you keep sitting on the fence twiddling your thumbs waiting for Blu-ray to die sometime in the distant future, and I'll keep enjoying the little things like better picture and sound quality NOW. Hey, I guess it was a bad idea to invest in DVDs too as it will ultimately die out too. :roll:

I make enough money and made good choices to easily afford a blu ray player but as good ole JackBurden has said it is a luxury item for people who made good choices in life. I find that pretty much laughable. The irony is strong in that because I am pretty sure investing in a dying type of media is the epitome of making BAD choices in life.

As I pointed out above, your statement is just about retarded. I guess for you, DVD was a bad investment too. It is going to die out too.

Hey, how is that fence? It doesn't look too fun from where I stand.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
I have the money.. but I like to get a good bang for the buck.

Additionally, until BSG, DS9, or Farscape come out on blur-ray, I have 0 need to buy one. 99.9999% of movies suck. I have no need to buy them.

Supposedly, Farscape is not in Henson's plans for remastering. Plus, only Season 4 and the PKW movie can be converted easily. The other ones were shot at lower quality.

I just wish I could find the DVDs for Farscape at a good price (or at all) .

According to rumors, the complete series of BSG will be Blu in July.

TOS should be out on Blu soon. I think they are waiting for the new film to be released first. STE should be in Blu next, but I think I might be the only one who cares.

TNG, DS9 & STV won't be Blu anytime soon, because of how they were shot. They were shot in Panavision film, then converted to video, where most of the special effects were added. To make them HD, they would have to start over with the film, and then add the effects. That will take quite a bit of time & money.

Amazon has several seasons of Farscape on DVD available, but cheap it ain't.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Codewiz
My question is, why would anyone want blu ray right now? We are seeing that streaming media is the future. Instant gratification is the future. The only advantage blu ray currently holds is picture/sound quality. That will change over the next two years. So why would I want to invest in something that is going to be dead within 5 years. At least DVDs had a pretty darn good lifespan.

I do not believe the same will be said about blu ray.

LOL, is that all? :roll: How about this, you keep sitting on the fence twiddling your thumbs waiting for Blu-ray to die sometime in the distant future, and I'll keep enjoying the little things like better picture and sound quality NOW. Hey, I guess it was a bad idea to invest in DVDs too as it will ultimately die out too. :roll:

I make enough money and made good choices to easily afford a blu ray player but as good ole JackBurden has said it is a luxury item for people who made good choices in life. I find that pretty much laughable. The irony is strong in that because I am pretty sure investing in a dying type of media is the epitome of making BAD choices in life.

As I pointed out above, your statement is just about retarded. I guess for you, DVD was a bad investment too. It is going to die out too.

Hey, how is that fence? It doesn't look too fun from where I stand.

I have to agree with almost everyone here. You're an egotistical prick. Spending 2k on a blu-ray player doesn't make you better than anyone else; it just makes you foolish with your money and plain stupid.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: waggy
you do get rewarded for sacrifices. A blu-ray player is not one.

Yeah it is. If that is something you want, and you can afford it, then that is your reward.

sony is beign kinda stilly here. IF its because they can't make it cheaper then ok thats fine (doubt it though). BUT if they are keeping it high then thats just dumb (and no they are not doing it to keep it as a niche market).

Yes, they are keeping it artificially high so they can sell less of them and report less of a profit. You're on to Sony's business plan. Sell very few and make as little profit as possible. Do you morons seriously believe that. Do you think it is Sony's evil plan to sell their Blu-ray players at a high price just to piss off the morons at ATOT? Seriously?

if they dropped it so more people could afford it (not saying bargin basement stuff) then more people would buy and they would make more ont eh sale of moves. They could aslo have higher end players for idiots like jackburton who want to show off the "sacrifices" (lol if you are makeing sacrifices why do you have a Blu-ray player?)

That is fucking genius. You really need to pass on that advanced supply and demand theory to Sony's execs. They will shower you will gold for that ground breaking idea. :roll:

And yes, higher end players only come with a higher price tag with no added benefits. Again, thank you for that amazing piece of advice. You obviously know exactly what you are talking about. I mean I just love throwing $300+ on a Blu-ray player and getting nothing in return. You're right, you're right. I'm going to run down to Wal-Mart and get the cheapest Blu-ray player I can find. There is obviously no other reason to buy anything else. :roll:

Fucking geniuses in this thread. :roll:

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I have to agree with almost everyone here. You're an egotistical prick. Spending 2k on a blu-ray player doesn't make you better than anyone else; it just makes you foolish with your money and plain stupid.

LOL, right. If you say so. I also never said anything about spending $2K on a Blu-ray player. I thought we were talking about $300 Blu-ray players? I even mentioned great deals on players under $300. Or did you want to glance over that statement to see what you wanted to see.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I have to agree with almost everyone here. You're an egotistical prick. Spending 2k on a blu-ray player doesn't make you better than anyone else; it just makes you foolish with your money and plain stupid.

LOL, right. If you say so. I also never said anything about spending $2K on a Blu-ray player. I thought we were talking about $300 Blu-ray players? I even mentioned great deals on players under $300. Or did you want to glance over that statement to see what you wanted to see.

I'm talking about your overall self absorbed I?m better than you attitude in this thread. Yes, I do say so.

I never said you said anything about the 2K blu-ray player. Fucking geniuses in this thread.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I'm talking about your overall self absorbed I?m better than you attitude in this thread. Yes, I do say so.

I know, the truth sometimes rubs people the wrong way. Not that I'm better than anyone else, but my philosophy in life. The only thing I can tell you is, I don't like lowering the bar. People need to be held accountable for there own actions. In life there is a very real cause and effect. And maybe if that is taught to the younger generations we wouldn't have as many fuck ups in world as we do now.

Let me give you an example of cause and effect. You make the genius choice of getting a girl pregnant at 18yrs old. Effect, life becomes harder for you due to that CHOICE. Me on the other hand, life is a little easier because of the choice I made NOT to go down that path. Result, I get better stuff. You get a kid, I get stuff. THAT is the trade off. And if you can get both, more power to you.

I never said you said anything about the 2K blu-ray player. Fucking geniuses in this thread.

Sorry, since you quoted ME and put YOU in your post, I thought you MAY have been talking about ME. Maybe next time you need to be a little clearer with your use of the word YOU.

And WTF would you bring up a $2K Blu-ray player? It has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You want to throw in the $4000 Blu-ray player for good measure too? :roll: Jeez, it's like I'm talking to a bunch of retards.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I'm talking about your overall self absorbed I?m better than you attitude in this thread. Yes, I do say so.

I know, the truth sometimes rubs people the wrong way. Not that I'm better than anyone else, but my philosophy in life. The only thing I can tell you is, I don't like lowering the bar. People need to be held accountable for there own actions. In life there is a very real cause and effect. And maybe if that is taught to the younger generations we wouldn't have as many fuck ups in world as we do now.

Let me give you an example of cause and effect. You make the genius choice of getting a girl pregnant at 18yrs old. Effect, life becomes harder for you due to that CHOICE. Me on the other hand, life is a little easier because of the choice I made NOT to go down that path. Result, I get better stuff. You get a kid, I get stuff. THAT is the trade off. And if you can get both, more power to you.

I never said you said anything about the 2K blu-ray player. Fucking geniuses in this thread.

Sorry, since you quoted ME and put YOU in your post, I thought you MAY have been talking about ME. Maybe next time you need to be a little clearer with your use of the word YOU.

And WTF would you bring up a $2K Blu-ray player? It has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You want to throw in the $4000 Blu-ray player for good measure too? :rolls; Jeez, it's like I'm talking to a bunch of retards.

It has EVERYTHING to do with why you have this attitude you have. It goes to prove character and show part of the reason you are defending paying exorbitant amounts for parts.

Let?s be honest here, what major upgrades did you get with a 2k blu-ray player over a $500 player? You don?t even have a 7.1 audio setup!!! You?re really not getting anything that your human eye can see at that point of expenditure. You need to read up on the law of diminishing returns.

Well, I had a child at 21 and I have the stuff and a family. Since when did having a child mean you couldn?t achieve both? This only goes to prove you know nothing of real life and you?re obviously one of those sheltered nerd kids that stayed in mommy and daddy?s? house until they were 26 and have never enjoyed life. You know what? I got to go out and have a great life with two (3 now) people that I love and that love me back. All you have are materialistic possessions that mean NOTHING in the greater scheme of life. That?s probably why you have to sit on an internet forum and think you?re some big shit for spending exorbitant amounts of money on something that is meaningless. Does it make you feel better or cool? Do all your friends on WOW think you?re the ?man??

The person with it all....or the person that thinks buying it all is more? Get a clue.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
It has EVERYTHING to do with why you have this attitude you have. It goes to prove character and show part of the reason you are defending paying exorbitant amounts for parts.

Seriously, do you REALLY think I give a shit about what you think of me? Seriously?

Let?s be honest here, what major upgrades did you get with a 2k blu-ray player over a $500 player? You don?t even have a 7.1 audio setup!!! You?re really not getting anything that your human eye can see at that point of expenditure. You need to read up on the law of diminishing returns.

Wait, you weren't referring to ME with the $2K player? Remember, I didn't saying anything about it. Why the fuck would I know anything about a $2K player?

Well, I had a child at 21 and I have the stuff and a family. Since when did having a child mean you couldn?t achieve both? This only goes to prove you know nothing of real life and you?re obviously one of those sheltered nerd kids that stayed in mommy and daddy?s? house until they were 26 and have never enjoyed life. You know what? I got to go out and have a great life with two (3 now) people that I love and that love me back. All you have are materialistic possessions that mean NOTHING in the greater scheme of life. That?s probably why you have to sit on an internet forum and think you?re some big shit for spending exorbitant amounts of money on something that is meaningless. Does it make you feel better or cool? Do all your friends on WOW think you?re the ?man??

Go back and brush up on your reading skills. I never said that. Maybe reading comprehension is what's keeping you back in life.

The person with it all....or the person that thinks buying it all is more? Get a clue.

lol, sure. You keep telling yourself that.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Let's see...blu ray sales took off after the PS3 came out in late Nov 2006 (a little over two years ago), and it is supposed to be outselling DVD already? how long did it take for DVD to overtake VHS? However long it took, I'm sure it was longer than 2 years and 3 months...

How long did it take for DVD player prices to go down anyway? I remember buying a Sony single disc player around 1999 for $450. I guess I should have been bitching to Sony back then that their player prices were too high...In any event, it looked like DVD turned out pretty well even though their prices were out of Joe Sixpack's budget when it first came out...

IIRC, my first DVD player was $300 in late 2001. It was a Sony 5 disc player. My second DVD player was $100 in mid-2003 (a Panasonic single disc player that replaced the Sony POS). Google says DVD rentals overtook VHS rentals in 2003; couldn't find any info about sales.

The advantages of DVD over VHS were more significant than the advantages of Blu-ray over DVD; that will have some effect on adoption rate.

 

[0roo0roo]

my first dvd player was 350 dollar sony

slightly earlier than you i guess.

as for vhs to dvd more significant, i don't really think so. people had pos tv's back then, even the nice tv's were pos. people were going from fuzzy pictures to clearer pictures on small pos tv's. maybe double the resolution. now the installed base of hdtvs is growing at a rapid pace, stores barely keep any sdtvs around, they look like a joke beside the flat panels. hd is 6 times the resolution of dvd.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=811102
screenshots

even very old animated films like sleeping beauty look much better
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073677

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: waggy
you do get rewarded for sacrifices. A blu-ray player is not one.

Yeah it is. If that is something you want, and you can afford it, then that is your reward.

sony is beign kinda stilly here. IF its because they can't make it cheaper then ok thats fine (doubt it though). BUT if they are keeping it high then thats just dumb (and no they are not doing it to keep it as a niche market).

Yes, they are keeping it artificially high so they can sell less of them and report less of a profit. You're on to Sony's business plan. Sell very few and make as little profit as possible. Do you morons seriously believe that. Do you think it is Sony's evil plan to sell their Blu-ray players at a high price just to piss off the morons at ATOT? Seriously?

if they dropped it so more people could afford it (not saying bargin basement stuff) then more people would buy and they would make more ont eh sale of moves. They could aslo have higher end players for idiots like jackburton who want to show off the "sacrifices" (lol if you are makeing sacrifices why do you have a Blu-ray player?)

That is fucking genius. You really need to pass on that advanced supply and demand theory to Sony's execs. They will shower you will gold for that ground breaking idea. :roll:

And yes, higher end players only come with a higher price tag with no added benefits. Again, thank you for that amazing piece of advice. You obviously know exactly what you are talking about. I mean I just love throwing $300+ on a Blu-ray player and getting nothing in return. You're right, you're right. I'm going to run down to Wal-Mart and get the cheapest Blu-ray player I can find. There is obviously no other reason to buy anything else. :roll:

Fucking geniuses in this thread. :roll:

i get the feeling you either live at home or just entering college.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
my first dvd player was 350 dollar sony

slightly earlier than you i guess.

as for vhs to dvd more significant, i don't really think so. people had pos tv's back then, even the nice tv's were pos. people were going from fuzzy pictures to clearer pictures on small pos tv's. maybe double the resolution. now the installed base of hdtvs is growing at a rapid pace, stores barely keep any sdtvs around, they look like a joke beside the flat panels. hd is 6 times the resolution of dvd.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=811102
screenshots

even very old animated films like sleeping beauty look much better
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073677

VHS to DVD gave us:
Better picture and sound quality
Special features
Alternate audio tracks (including commentary)
Ubiquitous widescreen format
Better subtitles; multiple subtitle tracks
Ability to advance to any arbitrary part of a movie quickly
No need to rewind
More compact

DVD to Blu-ray gives us:
Better picture and sound quality if you have the right equipment
Some minor feature enhancements like picture-in-picture

The picture and sound quality enhancements are more significant than they were with DVD, but beyond that it doesn't offer a whole lot.

The thing is, the better picture and sound quality doesn't necessarily result in a more enjoyable experience for many movies. Do you laugh harder when watching a comedy in HD? Do you cry more when watching a chick flick in HD? Look at any discussion of Blu-ray that includes more than just videophiles and you'll see the same comments repeated over and over again - many people don't want to pay extra for HD movies except for movies where the visuals are a significant portion of the movie experience. War movies, blockbuster action movies, etc. With DVD you had a lot of people replacing their VHS tapes with DVDs of the same movies. With Blu-ray I don't think that will happen as much. I have about 150 DVD movies and ~100 TV show seasons on DVD. I have maybe 10 movies that I'll want to upgrade. So far I've only upgraded Batman Begins, Transformers and Band of Brothers (unfortunately Transformers was HD-DVD exclusive initially, so I bought the DVD). I'm still buying TV shows on DVD, not Blu-Ray.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
my first dvd player was 350 dollar sony

slightly earlier than you i guess.

as for vhs to dvd more significant, i don't really think so. people had pos tv's back then, even the nice tv's were pos. people were going from fuzzy pictures to clearer pictures on small pos tv's. maybe double the resolution. now the installed base of hdtvs is growing at a rapid pace, stores barely keep any sdtvs around, they look like a joke beside the flat panels. hd is 6 times the resolution of dvd.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=811102
screenshots

even very old animated films like sleeping beauty look much better
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073677

VHS to DVD gave us:
Better picture and sound quality
Special features
Alternate audio tracks (including commentary)
Ubiquitous widescreen format
Better subtitles; multiple subtitle tracks
Ability to advance to any arbitrary part of a movie quickly
No need to rewind
More compact

DVD to Blu-ray gives us:
Better picture and sound quality if you have the right equipment
Some minor feature enhancements like picture-in-picture

The picture and sound quality enhancements are more significant than they were with DVD, but beyond that it doesn't offer a whole lot.

The thing is, the better picture and sound quality doesn't necessarily result in a more enjoyable experience for many movies. Do you laugh harder when watching a comedy in HD? Do you cry more when watching a chick flick in HD? Look at any discussion of Blu-ray that includes more than just videophiles and you'll see the same comments repeated over and over again - many people don't want to pay extra for HD movies except for movies where the visuals are a significant portion of the movie experience. War movies, blockbuster action movies, etc. With DVD you had a lot of people replacing their VHS tapes with DVDs of the same movies. With Blu-ray I don't think that will happen as much. I have about 150 DVD movies and ~100 TV show seasons on DVD. I have maybe 10 movies that I'll want to upgrade. So far I've only upgraded Batman Begins, Transformers and Band of Brothers (unfortunately Transformers was HD-DVD exclusive initially, so I bought the DVD). I'm still buying TV shows on DVD, not Blu-Ray.

yeah the jump from VHS to DVD was huge. we replaced a good amount of the VHS movies. the diffrence was huge. I have no desire to replace my DVD movies to blu-ray. hell even a good portion that come are are not worth the extra $14-20. espially when you get uncoverted DVD players that look as good.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Let's see...blu ray sales took off after the PS3 came out in late Nov 2006 (a little over two years ago), and it is supposed to be outselling DVD already? how long did it take for DVD to overtake VHS? However long it took, I'm sure it was longer than 2 years and 3 months...

How long did it take for DVD player prices to go down anyway? I remember buying a Sony single disc player around 1999 for $450. I guess I should have been bitching to Sony back then that their player prices were too high...In any event, it looked like DVD turned out pretty well even though their prices were out of Joe Sixpack's budget when it first came out...

IIRC, my first DVD player was $300 in late 2001. It was a Sony 5 disc player. My second DVD player was $100 in mid-2003 (a Panasonic single disc player that replaced the Sony POS). Google says DVD rentals overtook VHS rentals in 2003; couldn't find any info about sales.

The advantages of DVD over VHS were more significant than the advantages of Blu-ray over DVD; that will have some effect on adoption rate.

This is the biggest point besides the price IMO. The jump in convenience and picture quality of DVD over VHS was huge on any SDTV. Easy fast-forward and rewind and clear upgraded picture difference. Jump to DVD and Blu-Ray isn't as obvious. Sure Blu-Ray looks slightly better but at twice the cost? I haven't bought a Blu-Ray movie in two years I've owned PS3. I got 5 free promotional ones when I first bought the PS3. That was good enough for me. The difference in quality didn't "wow" me like I thought it would. However, PS3 game graphics did "wow" me over PS2, and I've bought several games since the difference is worth it even with the price increase in games. Same reason I bought $1500 Vizio plasma TV over $3000 Pioneer "Kuro" plasma TV. Sure the Pioneer might have slightly better PQ than the Vizio, but at 2x the cost? I'll take two Vizio instead please. I've Vizio plasma in my bedroom and the living room. I need to see clear difference to fork out the extra money.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Let's see...blu ray sales took off after the PS3 came out in late Nov 2006 (a little over two years ago), and it is supposed to be outselling DVD already? how long did it take for DVD to overtake VHS? However long it took, I'm sure it was longer than 2 years and 3 months...

How long did it take for DVD player prices to go down anyway? I remember buying a Sony single disc player around 1999 for $450. I guess I should have been bitching to Sony back then that their player prices were too high...In any event, it looked like DVD turned out pretty well even though their prices were out of Joe Sixpack's budget when it first came out...

IIRC, my first DVD player was $300 in late 2001. It was a Sony 5 disc player. My second DVD player was $100 in mid-2003 (a Panasonic single disc player that replaced the Sony POS). Google says DVD rentals overtook VHS rentals in 2003; couldn't find any info about sales.

<The advantages of DVD over VHS were more significant than the advantages of Blu-ray over DVD; that will have some effect on adoption rate.

This is the biggest point besides the price IMO. The jump in convenience and picture quality of DVD over VHS was huge on any SDTV. Easy fast-forward and rewind and clear upgraded picture difference. Jump to DVD and Blu-Ray isn't as obvious. Sure Blu-Ray looks slightly better but at twice the cost? I haven't bought a Blu-Ray movie in two years I've owned PS3. I got 5 free promotional ones when I first bought the PS3. That was good enough for me. The difference in quality didn't "wow" me like I thought it would. However, PS3 game graphics did "wow" me over PS2, and I've bought several games since the difference is worth it even with the price increase in games. Same reason I bought $1500 Vizio plasma TV over $3000 Pioneer "Kuro" plasma TV. Sure the Pioneer might have slightly better PQ than the Vizio, but at 2x the cost? I'll take two Vizio instead please. I've Vizio plasma in my bedroom and the living room. I need to see clear difference to fork out the extra money.

Same. We looked at a bigger set and Blu-Ray earlier this year but just banked the money instead. Honestly the difference just wasn't worth the cost. If I wait a few years they will be about the cost of DVD's and then why not? But right now it's just not worth it.

Sadly most of the early Blu-Ray movies were horribly transferred as well and look worse than DVD.