Is selling an Intel Engineering Sample (ES) unethical?

[Kenmitch]

Just to be clear, I was not aware it was an ES when I purchased it. It was a computer I bought, not a bare chip, as I said in OP. And I had my questions answered, so I will not discuss it further.

So what chip is it then? This is the only relevant question that could prove you didn't know it's a ES in reality.

 

[aigomorla]

Tom's Hardware sometimes uses some ES hardware to test for early motherboard reviews and what not.

I slaughtered tom's hardware... anandtech main... hardop... almost every hardware forum in previewing C2D, C2Q and i7. :whiste:

Vendors get first batch ES's, to test in complete systems.
Vendors get final production ES, to test in aftermarket situations.

Most of the ES's u see are suposed to goto the vendors, yet never get there.
I remember one time i was with my distributor, and we met a guy from intel.
He told my distributor... hey did u like those samples we sent you.
My distributor looks at me and says did u get any samples?
Him and i went no... Intel guy then told my distributor... his samples never got there, because the warehouse never shipped them.
They were lost... (more like stolen and then resold).

But for 3 months.. intel thought we had samples for a mobile cpu line... and we never saw them cuz they were stolen from warehouse direct.
^this is when intel goes postal and busts people.

 

[piasabird]

I could see some bad things happening if you reported this to Intel. Like the Guy could lose his job. Then Intel might ask for the Processor back and tell you that it is not their problem. Then you would not have a processor and your money would be gone.

 

[Maximilian]

Plenty of people are already in jail due to selling ES.

Wasent that people who were basically making a business out of it? I mean if you have 1 ES chip and sell the thing i doubt you would be jailed. Although to be on the safe side i wouldn't sell a cutting edge ES, something last gen or whatever though...

 

[2timer]

So what chip is it then? This is the only relevant question that could prove you didn't know it's a ES in reality.

That's none of your business. Learn to read '' I'm not discussing this any further."

 

[Pheesh]

If he doesn't give you a refund you have leverage over his employment status...I'm sure he'd be responsive then.

 

[Kenmitch]

That's none of your business. Learn to read '' I'm not discussing this any further."

Read what? The only thing you said about the cpu was it turned up to be a ES.

Most will come to the conclusion you knew it was a ES based on you not stating what cpu it is.

Your '' I'm not discussing this any further." comment is pretty much stating the fact.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Wasent that people who were basically making a business out of it? I mean if you have 1 ES chip and sell the thing i doubt you would be jailed. Although to be on the safe side i wouldn't sell a cutting edge ES, something last gen or whatever though...

Do you avoid jail for stealing...if you dont make a business out of it?

 

[Mushkins]

The only way I could possibly see these chips being lawfully owned and resold is if Intel itself failed to properly destroy them before disposing of them and they were picked out of the trash, since the act of throwing them away legally relinquishes ownership (at least in the US). Nothing more illegal about pulling a box of processors out of a dumpster than there is pulling scrap metal out of that dumpster in most places, ES markings or no.

However, I think we can safely assume that's not what happened in this specific case. If Intel never relinquished ownership it's not kosher to buy/sell/give that chip without Intel approval.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

I really don't understand these sort of "it isn't unethical unless you can define how it is under the narrowest of exceptions and exclusions possible" positions.

It's because they don't like the answer they received. They want to justify it anyway they can. Just like downloading music/movies/games.

A: "Is doing such and such illegal?"

B: "Yes. There are laws against it."

A: "It's not stealing because yada yada yada, moral, ethical blah blah !!!"

Then why ask if they already have their mind made up on what they want to believe. lol

 

[Ketchup]

That's none of your business. Learn to read '' I'm not discussing this any further."

Wow, what nosy people we are. One would have thought you started a thread on the Internet or something.

Oh, wait.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

Wow, what nosy people we are. One would have thought you started a thread on the Internet or something.

Oh, wait.

If he's going to take up that attitude, maybe we should just report him to Intel. lol

 

[2timer]

Read what? The only thing you said about the cpu was it turned up to be a ES.

Correct.

Most will come to the conclusion you knew it was a ES based on you not stating what cpu it is.

Well, you know what they say about jumping to conclusions. Hmm.

Your '' I'm not discussing this any further." comment is pretty much stating the fact.

Is that right? :hmm:

Well, like I said, I'm done with this thread. Keep posting if you like, at this point I'd consider it to be mostly trolling.

 

[jacktesterson]

Who cares. It works. Are you happy with it? Why bother stirring commotion then? You didn't do it on purpose. I'm pretty sure Intel knows these chips are out there and probably aren't losing any sleep over it.

If you weren't happy then you could contact the guy. Very doubtful he will reply, and very doubtful he used a real name.

 

[TerryMathews]

Correct.



Well, you know what they say about jumping to conclusions. Hmm.



Is that right? :hmm:

Well, like I said, I'm done with this thread. Keep posting if you like, at this point I'd consider it to be mostly trolling.

Good thing you're not in a position to determine what is trolling and what is not, I'd say.

 

[2timer]

Wow, what nosy people we are. One would have thought you started a thread on the Internet or something.

Oh, wait.

Yes, I started the thread, got my questions answered, and have no desire to discuss things any further. I never called anyone nosy. Your words, not mine.

 

[Maximilian]

Do you avoid jail for stealing...if you dont make a business out of it?

Well... yeah lol.

Big difference between taking 1 item from a store and systematically going around every store at filling up a vans worth, one gets you banned from the store, maybe a fine, the other lands you in a place where the soap on a rope you stole would've been mighty useful

 

[TimberSaw]

Just to be clear, I was not aware it was an ES when I purchased it. It was a computer I bought, not a bare chip, as I said in OP. And I had my questions answered, so I will not discuss it further.

Wait, you're not actually gonna tell on the guy are you?

 

[joshhedge]

Wait, you're not actually gonna tell on the guy are you?

Why would he not tell the guy? ^_^

 

[Dassem]

At this point i dont even care if the seller is snorthing mountains of cocaine directly off the back of stolen ES chips... i just want to know what kind of chip op got! I need closure!

 

[Kenmitch]

At this point i dont even care if the seller is snorthing mountains of cocaine directly off the back of stolen ES chips... i just want to know what kind of chip op got! I need closure!

Haswell-E most likely. Just he's in denial about knowing it was a ES. What other cpu could you purchase not knowing it's a ES and not openly state the cpu model....Model withheld as it proves it's only available as ES currently.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Haswell-E most likely. Just he's in denial about knowing it was a ES. What other cpu could you purchase not knowing it's a ES and not openly state the cpu model....Model withheld as it proves it's only available as ES currently.

You cant use Haswell-E for anything without a Haswell-E board.

I would actually guess he bought a LGA1150 IB ES.

 

[Gillbot]

Steve Hensley <-- Intel Security... yeah... i know quite a bit of people who clashed heads with this guy...

:whiste)

 

[Kenmitch]

You cant use Haswell-E for anything without a Haswell-E board.

I would actually guess he bought a LGA1150 IB ES.

Why would Intel have a Haswell-E ES without a motherboard to test it in?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why would Intel have a Haswell-E ES without a motherboard to test it in?

You would know if you knew how boards look at this stage. Not to mention BIOS support.

Also its a quadcore he bought. Haswell-E should be 6 and 8 cores only.

And he already got an i3 3220.