Is it illegal to grow marijuana for personal use? If so, why?

[Capt.OBViOUS]

wat?!

You smoked wet seedlings?

lol

yes,i didnt had the patience lol...

 

[sao123]

When I say illegal I mean in terms of the constitution. It kind of boggles my mind that growing a plant could be illegal. It's like outlawing people from being able to grow basil or thyme. What logical reason would marijuana be illegal in any form or fashion? Health reasons?

considering the purpose of the constitution, being very narrow in scope, to define the power of government at all levels, and it is the document by which government recieves it authority...

there is nothing i nthie constitution which would limits the governments power to regulate any type of consumed substance.
so yes... its constitutional to ban marijuana.

 

[thejunglegod]

Marijuana is BAaaeddd!!! MMMkay???

 

[BudAshes]

The real reason it is illegal is because this country is run by religious fundamentalists. Smoking pot will reveal to you the pettiness and silliness of many of your beliefs. This terrifies those that want to control you and keep you under their thumb.

 

[Craig234]

The real reason it is illegal is because this country is run by religious fundamentalists. Smoking pot will reveal to you the pettiness and silliness of many of your beliefs. This terrifies those that want to control you and keep you under their thumb.

Well I don't really agree that's the reason, but I can't be surprised coming from a pothead

I think it has to do largely with 'change being hard'. There's an inertia to the laws.

Why were there still laws on the books making gay sex between consenting partners in their own bedroom a crime less than a decade ago?

 

[Modelworks]

It is illegal because the government made a mistake years ago in making it illegal. The man responsible for making it illegal even commented in several interviews years later that it was the worst decision they had ever made, it solved nothing and took a toll on society and finances for no reason except to give the government the appearance of caring for its citizens.

Now it cannot be made legal , nor can any other controlled substance. The reason is that we have thousands of people in jails on drug charges and making it legal would allow thousands to appeal and the legal system would break under the number of cases.

 

[BudAshes]

Well I don't really agree that's the reason, but I can't be surprised coming from a pothead

I think it has to do largely with 'change being hard'. There's an inertia to the laws.

Why were there still laws on the books making gay sex between consenting partners in their own bedroom a crime less than a decade ago?

Funnily enough the answer to your question is the same; religious fundamentalists being in charge. Thank you for reinforcing my point though.

 

[AMDZen]

Well I don't really agree that's the reason, but I can't be surprised coming from a pothead

I think it has to do largely with 'change being hard'. There's an inertia to the laws.

Why were there still laws on the books making gay sex between consenting partners in their own bedroom a crime less than a decade ago?

Actually, many places still have sodomy laws in effect to this day. Areas of Kansas for one. West Borrow Baptist were able to get a man who admitted to gay sex arrested and charged not but a year or two ago.

There are still color laws in Alabama that won't allow a white girl to be with a black man. A 19 year old went to jail for having sex with a 17 year old only a year or two ago, on the pretense that it was an age thing. But since they were both so young, 17 and 19 were OK. It was after he was charged with a much older law that the reason became clear.

You still live in the same world depending on where you live.

 

[Capt.OBViOUS]

I also smoked the seeds,once,after i ran out of weed..lol...i always wondered how a dried leaf/parts could make me high.Are there any plants like marijuana which will make you high(i know poppy)?There has to be some plant like weed

 

[preslove]

Funnily enough the answer to your question is the same; religious fundamentalists being in charge. Thank you for reinforcing my point though.

It wasn't religious fundies. It was anti-mexican racists.

 

[AMDZen]

It wasn't religious fundies. It was anti-mexican racists.

One and the same

 

[Stifko]

It is illegal because the government made a mistake years ago in making it illegal...

I thought is was originally made illegal because of lobbying from the cotton industry. Hemp is a stronger and more durable fiber than cotton and they were scared of losing the whole industry to hemp.

 

[preslove]

I thought is was originally made illegal because of lobbying from the cotton industry. Hemp is a stronger and more durable fiber than cotton and they were scared of losing the whole industry to hemp.

This is just a stoner conspiracy theory.

There was a big move to ban all inebriates in early 20th century. It's just that Marijuana and the other currently illegal drugs were also banned for personal use (Alcohol production/distribution was illegal during prohibition, but possession was still legal), because Mexicans couldn't be trusted like white people. When alcohol was legalized, the other drugs weren't because they were only used by non-whites.

There is plenty of historical evidence for the racial reasoning, but I've never seen an actual academic work confirm the hemp conspiracy theory.

 

[OCGuy]

Not in my state.

 

[Ns1]

Not in my state.

Won't stop the cops from kicking down your door and shooting your dog though.

 

[alkemyst]

Why were there still laws on the books making gay sex between consenting partners in their own bedroom a crime less than a decade ago?

umm bro, there are still laws on the books like that. In many places even fucking your own wife in the ass can get you jail time.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

As I understand it, it's thanks to Justices like Scalia, whose argument is boggling.

It's under the interstate commerce clause - why, you ask?

On the theory that if you grow your own pot, you can harm the (nevermind it's illegal) interstate commerce by not buying pot grown out of state and imported.

These right-wing judges just make crap up to fit their politics and rape the constitution.

This is the same group who stuck down a state law to match campaign financing by a wealthy candidate by giving the same amount of tax funds to his opponent on the grounds that it was a violation of free speech because it would discourage wealthy candidates from using their money for advantage when their opponent gets a match.

The rape of the commerce clause goes a bit further back than Scalia (and you can thank a lefty for that :awe: ).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

 

[OCGuy]

Won't stop the cops from kicking down your door and shooting your dog though.

Not only will they NOT do that, they are afraid to.

One of the properties I was managing had 16 plants that could be seen if you poke your head over the side wall.

I didnt want to say anything, but the owner of the company called the sheriffs and met them at the property.

The Sheriffs told him there was nothing they could do, because the tenants most likely had their MMJ card.


Every time they raid or take pot, a judge makes them give it back.

 

[Ns1]

Every time they raid or take pot, a judge makes them give it back.

I get that the judge will make them give it back, but if they pop my dogs it's already too late.

History shows numerous cases of dogs being shot during unjust raids. While there have been none directly related to MMJ, I know that unjust raids happen and just can't fathom the possibility. The cops always get away with it too.

 

[NL5]

umm bro, there are still laws on the books like that. In many places even fucking your own wife in the ass can get you jail time.

I thought Lawrence V. Texas struck down all martial sodomy laws? (oral, anal, and otherwise)

 

[alkemyst]

I get that the judge will make them give it back, but if they pop my dogs it's already too late.

History shows numerous cases of dogs being shot during unjust raids. While there have been none directly related to MMJ, I know that unjust raids happen and just can't fathom the possibility. The cops always get away with it too.

The way the law stands is a dog really doesn't even have to be a threat, just hamper the investigation.

I am taking the initiative and becoming active in this. I talked to some dumbass cop this past week while having dinner as I heard him talking to another redneck about cops killing cops and 'he ain't got no problem with that'. Thought the son-of-a-bitch was going to shoot me even.

It boils down to about 50% of our population hates animals, about 1 in 5 will go out of their way to harm one...a cop that is in that 1 in 5 basically has a free pass to kill any dog on sight because he thought it'd be in the way.

They have killed neighbor's dogs that have been inside a fenced yard, crate, chained, etc behind this law.

 

[BudAshes]

The way the law stands is a dog really doesn't even have to be a threat, just hamper the investigation.

I am taking the initiative and becoming active in this. I talked to some dumbass cop this past week while having dinner as I heard him talking to another redneck about cops killing cops and 'he ain't got no problem with that'. Thought the son-of-a-bitch was going to shoot me even.

It boils down to about 50% of our population hates animals, about 1 in 5 will go out of their way to harm one...a cop that is in that 1 in 5 basically has a free pass to kill any dog on sight because he thought it'd be in the way.

They have killed neighbor's dogs that have been inside a fenced yard, crate, chained, etc behind this law.

If they did that where I live they would have angry 10000 lesbians pounding down the doors of the police station.

 

[BudAshes]

Not only will they NOT do that, they are afraid to.

One of the properties I was managing had 16 plants that could be seen if you poke your head over the side wall.

I didnt want to say anything, but the owner of the company called the sheriffs and met them at the property.

The Sheriffs told him there was nothing they could do, because the tenants most likely had their MMJ card.


Every time they raid or take pot, a judge makes them give it back.

I know someone that got a pound of hash confiscated and the next day he walked into the police station and demanded his medicine back. They handed it to him and he just took his bag of hash and walked out the front door. At that point I realized it is essentially legal in CA. The only reason it hasn't been completely legalized is that growers lobbied hard against people voting yes on the most recent bill that came up to legalize it. They are afraid Phillip Morris or a similar corporation will move in and take over and regulate the industry. This would effectively end hundreds of thousands of people's tax free livelihoods.

 

[wirednuts]

The real reason it is illegal is because this country is run by religious fundamentalists. Smoking pot will reveal to you the pettiness and silliness of many of your beliefs. This terrifies those that want to control you and keep you under their thumb.

it has more to do with international corporate treaties, the best i can figure.

 

[alkemyst]

The main problem standing in marijuana's way is those that are upper class can get away with it by just paying it out and those in the lower class want to talk about how they can get all smoked out and still operate heavy machinery just fine.