Is it even possible to avoid a complete train wreck in the November election?

[Greenman]

It must be nice to stick your head on the sand. I cannot and will not. You continue to a willingness to overlook thing that do not agree with your view. Some call it gaslighted. You call it lazy because you just nibble on the edges to stir it up. Your philosophy is why we are here. If you do not feel that a boot on your neck is a bad thing, then that is your choice. I will be saying that this happen only “...out of my cold dead hands.” Go back and put your head in the sand.

So your thesis here is that panicking on speculation of a crime occurring is a good idea, and that anyone that doesn't panic isn't paying attention? Further, the solution seems to be running in circles with your hands in the air trying to spread the panic.
Sorry, I don't share your fear, nor your belief that anything but a democratic win will save the nation. There will be shenanigan's, there will be votes tossed out, there will be accusations of wrongdoing and a great deal of hand wringing. At the end of all of that we'll have a president, it will be Biden or Trump.
The republic will stand. Life will go on, the country will survive and will get to go through "the most important election of our lives" again in four years.

 

[Muse]

Trump is deliberately working to make it a train wreck so it ends up in courts, state legislatures, or in the House where each state gets one vote.

Isn't this some shit? He doesn't care if he destroys the nation as long as he remains in power. Not a bit. Never did, never will. This should be obvious to everyone. Unfortunately, it isn't.

 

[Muse]

So your thesis here is that panicking on speculation of a crime occurring is a good idea, and that anyone that doesn't panic isn't paying attention? Further, the solution seems to be running in circles with your hands in the air trying to spread the panic.
Sorry, I don't share your fear, nor your belief that anything but a democratic win will save the nation. There will be shenanigan's, there will be votes tossed out, there will be accusations of wrongdoing and a great deal of hand wringing. At the end of all of that we'll have a president, it will be Biden or Trump.
The republic will stand. Life will go on, the country will survive and will get to go through "the most important election of our lives" again in four years.

Don't be so sure. In fact, I'm sure you're not. You're just posing as sure.

 

[Grey_Beard]

So your thesis here is that panicking on speculation of a crime occurring is a good idea, and that anyone that doesn't panic isn't paying attention? Further, the solution seems to be running in circles with your hands in the air trying to spread the panic.
Sorry, I don't share your fear, nor your belief that anything but a democratic win will save the nation. There will be shenanigan's, there will be votes tossed out, there will be accusations of wrongdoing and a great deal of hand wringing. At the end of all of that we'll have a president, it will be Biden or Trump.
The republic will stand. Life will go on, the country will survive and will get to go through "the most important election of our lives" again in four years.

Nice projection. I think you’re panicking. It’s like in the debates in 2016 and your reply is “...You’re the puppet. You’re the puppet.” Gotta say it twice because lies need to be reinforced. Your point here is saying I think Democrats will save the Republic. If you look at the actions here and not feel that something is awry, then your head is in the sand. No panic, just observation. When you have most appointments to various agencies and cabinet positions who are people that believe in the destruction of said agency or cabinet area, then we all should be questioning those decisions. To nominate a cadre of judge who the Bar Association has said should not and are dangerous, there are cracks in our foundation. You can say, like you said above, it will work out, but the sand in you mouth is making you sound muffled.

 

[interchange]

More hyperbole.

Hyperbole? When the post office loses multiple lawsuits about it in the run up to election, I'd suggest you start taking a closer look. The Administrative Procedures Act 39 US Code 504 requires changes to have public notices and 30 day waiting periods for most rules to take effect. This is the very mechanism designed to protect the public, and it was completely bypassed which is the most basic reason why the government has no hope of winning any of these lawsuits. Of course once all this came to light and the budgetary challenges of the post office running into the election became widely known, it put the executive in position to fix the illegal process problems and work toward appropriate funding for the PO going into the election. What has the Trump admin done in response?

Bear in mind the admin doesn't have to break things. They just have to create enough concern that things are broken to degrade trust in the election so Trump can attempt to enact a way to maintain power independent of the public's vote.

 

[Paratus]

TBH, I have just about all of the Trumpists on this forum on Ignore. I see the flack they get and figure why bother reading their absurd views. How people can admire Trump and not condemn a lot of what he does is beyond me. I figure those people are living in a fantasy world, they have blinders on. Here's the song, and I have the lyrics pasted below, they're on the mark:

Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?
Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?

Your view of life
Is like looking backwards through a telescope
Talking to you is useless
There's no talking to you because the blinders are already on

Why?
Oh, why?
Oh, why?
Oh, why?

Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?
Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?

I don't understand how you can be so fucking radical, and then again be so narrow minded
You hate everybody, just like everybody hates you
Hey man, I can't see why you can't see the fuckin' big picture

Why?
Oh, why?
Oh, why?
Oh, why?

Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?
Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?

Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?
Why can't you see the big picture?
Why can't you see?

Your view of life
Is like looking backwards through a telescope
All you see and all you do is so useless
Hey man, there's no talking to you because the blinders are already on

Why?
Oh, why?
Oh, why?
Oh, why?

Why can't you see?

Why can’t they see? (Well I’ll repost this music video to tell you why)

Look in my eyes, what do you see?
The cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the cult of personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the cult of personality
The cult of personality
The cult of personality

Neon lights, a Nobel Prize
Then a mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free

I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the cult of personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the cult of personality
The cult of personality
The cult of personality

Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You gave me power in your own god's name
I'm every person you need to be

Oh, I'm the cult of personality
I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of
I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of personality

 

[Greenman]

Ignorance of opposing opinions is basically the bread and butter starting position for being a narcassist like Trump.

Enjoy your divisive retoric fully taking good of you.

It works both ways. I have a few on ignore because they can't make a simple statement or add to a discussion without name calling or personal insults. That's the mark of a weak mind, a simple follower that operates on one track.

 

[Jhhnn]

If he loses in spite of trying to block legitimate voters, he has two very scary options. One is to get the legislatures in the republican swing states to appoint the electors directly, because he claims the vote was invalid. The other is to delay and appeal and ultimately get the decision to be made in the courts, which have been stacked at all federal levels with Trumps stooges. If it goes to the supreme court, by the time of the election it will be 6-3 conservatives.

Neither of those options are real. State legislatures cannot change the state law covering the selection of electors w/o the governor nor after the fact. They have to follow the law like everybody else. That process is very much enshrined in states rights. It's all bullshit, considering that Trump is likely to lose in a big way across the upper Midwest & other swing states as well. Only when & if it's extremely close will there even be recounts. Trump may get some of the extended ballot acceptance periods reversed prior to the election but I doubt it will matter.

It's not that I think Trump wouldn't attempt an authoritarian power grab but rather that he can't get in range of actually trying it. It's all in the turnout, and Biden will get it. As much as Trump's base loves him, the rest of us detest him, and we have them outnumbered.

 

[Muse]

Neither of those options are real. State legislatures cannot change the state law covering the selection of electors w/o the governor nor after the fact. They have to follow the law like everybody else. That process is very much enshrined in states rights. It's all bullshit, considering that Trump is likely to lose in a big way across the upper Midwest & other swing states as well. Only when & if it's extremely close will there even be recounts. Trump may get some of the extended ballot acceptance periods reversed prior to the election but I doubt it will matter.

It's not that I think Trump wouldn't attempt an authoritarian power grab but rather that he can't get in range of actually trying it. It's all in the turnout, and Biden will get it. As much as Trump's base loves him, the rest of us detest him, and we have them outnumbered.

Buddy, I hope you are right. Even the courts, if it comes to that, could (and IMO are likely to) not see it Donald's way, regardless of what he wants. IMO, most judges are not political puppets and have some sense they their duty in life is to serve justice. Call me an idealist.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I hand carried my mail in ballot to the post office lobby drop box just a little while ago to make sure that its isn't affected by lack of man hours to pick it up from my house.

 

[Mai72]

is this the end time?

"A wolf in sheeps clothing will sway the masses. Make them ignorant to the truth. `timothy 2.18

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So your thesis here is that panicking on speculation of a crime occurring is a good idea, and that anyone that doesn't panic isn't paying attention? Further, the solution seems to be running in circles with your hands in the air trying to spread the panic.
Sorry, I don't share your fear, nor your belief that anything but a democratic win will save the nation. There will be shenanigan's, there will be votes tossed out, there will be accusations of wrongdoing and a great deal of hand wringing. At the end of all of that we'll have a president, it will be Biden or Trump.
The republic will stand. Life will go on, the country will survive and will get to go through "the most important election of our lives" again in four years.

It's amazing the lengths the right will go to in pretending to not take Trump seriously. He has already said he's sabotaging the post office specifically to slow down mail in voting. He is actively trying to steal an election and you're completely fine with it because of the Magic R next to his name on the ballot. There is no democracy without fair elections and Trump has flat out said he's trying to stop voting.

 

[Jhhnn]

I hand carried my mail in ballot to the post office lobby drop box just a little while ago to make sure that its isn't affected by lack of man hours to pick it up from my house.

If your state is like many others, you can track it's arrival at the counting place over the internet. Here in CO, we normally just mail ours in but this year they'll go to a drop box at a rec center near our house, unloading the USPS just a teensy bit.

Vote by mail is a great system. You can still vote in person, but few bother. We'll never go back, and neither will any other states using it.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If your state is like many others, you can track it's arrival at the counting place over the internet. Here in CO, we normally just mail ours in but this year they'll go to a drop box at a rec center near our house, unloading the USPS just a teensy bit.

Vote by mail is a great system. You can still vote in person, but few bother. We'll never go back, and neither will any other states using it.

Unfortunately my state Texas will never implement vote by mail since they desperately want to limit turnout. Even in the pandemic you can only vote by mail if you're 65+ here.

 

[Muse]

It's amazing the lengths the right will go to in pretending to not take Trump seriously. He has already said he's sabotaging the post office specifically to slow down mail in voting. He is actively trying to steal an election and you're completely fine with it because of the Magic R next to his name on the ballot. There is no democracy without fair elections and Trump has flat out said he's trying to stop voting.

Fairness is not something that AFAIK Trump has ever cared about. For him it's all about him prevailing in his endeavors, no matter what. Be it pussy grabbing, money laundering, getting nominated, getting elected, doesn't matter what it is. Whatever it takes to win, he'll do it. 200 million could die, it's no concern to him. If that's what you want in a president, by all means vote for him. Nothing could make me vote for him.

 

[Greenman]

It's amazing the lengths the right will go to in pretending to not take Trump seriously. He has already said he's sabotaging the post office specifically to slow down mail in voting. He is actively trying to steal an election and you're completely fine with it because of the Magic R next to his name on the ballot. You make me sick. There is no democracy without fair elections and Trump has flat out said he's trying to stop voting.

Perfect example. Accusations, outrage, angst. What is it getting you? How is it improving the situation? Do you think your anger is going to affect events?
My guess at this point is that Joe has it in the bag. Trump will make a lot of noise and wild threats and on January 20th will be escorted out of the White House by the SS. He'll then procede to spend the rest of his life telling the world that he had the greatest Presidency in the history of the US.

 

[woolfe9998]

Are you sure it's "most"? Surely if that's the case the country is doomed? Depending what you mean by 'supporters' I suppose. I'm sure he has a hard-core of a small number of extremist white-supremacists, who are capable of violence, at least against vulnerable groups. But if a majority of those who express support for Trump in opinion polls fully support a fascist takeover, you might as well just flee to Canada now.

Yes.

Majority Of Republicans Believe The QAnon Conspiracy Theory Is Partly Or Mostly True, Survey Finds

72% of Democrats say the QAnon conspiracy is “not true at all.”

www.forbes.com

56% of republicans believe qanon is most or partially right. Qanon is a fascist doomsday cult.

I think many people worldwide, even some who live in the US, underestimate how batshit the right has gotten here.

 

[woolfe9998]

If that is true, then a big proportion of Americans are quite off their rockers.

Yes, they are. It's reality.

Going to drop this vid here:

For those who need an education on qanon. It starts as a presentation on flat earth but transitions into the best discussion of qanon and what it's about I've seen yet. Start at 37:40 for qanon discussion.

 

[Jhhnn]

Perfect example. Accusations, outrage, angst. What is it getting you? How is it improving the situation? Do you think your anger is going to affect events?
My guess at this point is that Joe has it in the bag. Trump will make a lot of noise and wild threats and on January 20th will be escorted out of the White House by the SS. He'll then procede to spend the rest of his life telling the world that he had the greatest Presidency in the history of the US.

Please. If Trump doesn't come up with a rationale to seize power it won't be for lack of trying.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Perfect example. Accusations, outrage, angst. What is it getting you? How is it improving the situation? Do you think your anger is going to affect events?
My guess at this point is that Joe has it in the bag. Trump will make a lot of noise and wild threats and on January 20th will be escorted out of the White House by the SS. He'll then procede to spend the rest of his life telling the world that he had the greatest Presidency in the history of the US.

Imagine not being pissed that democracy is hanging by a thread in this nation.

 

[Puffnstuff]

If your state is like many others, you can track it's arrival at the counting place over the internet. Here in CO, we normally just mail ours in but this year they'll go to a drop box at a rec center near our house, unloading the USPS just a teensy bit.

Vote by mail is a great system. You can still vote in person, but few bother. We'll never go back, and neither will any other states using it.

Duval County Supervisor of Elections website offers tracking and shows that your ballot was counted. I did it this way because I wanted to but have never had a problem in the past.

Recently because of the changes at USPS mail delivery in my area slowed to a never before seen pace making us go several days to receive mail that was showing for delivery in our informed delivery notice for a given day.

 

[BoomerD]

It definitely seems like, in Trump's mind, the ONLY way he can lose is if the Dems commit fraud...and it doesn't matter how many votes he gets, the ONLY thing that matters is that he gets the RIGHT votes...the electoral college, which is why the Trump campaign has been kicking around this:

The Trump Campaign Is Reportedly Plotting an Election Coup to “Bypass” a Biden Win

How Republican-controlled state legislatures could be used to circumvent the results of the election and ensure a Trump victory.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[woolfe9998]

Yes, they are. It's reality.

Going to drop this vid here:

For those who need an education on qanon. It starts as a presentation on flat earth but transitions into the best discussion of qanon and what it's about I've seen yet. Start at 37:40 for qanon discussion.

Since likely no one will watch this, here is a money quote which explains what is happening on the right:

Ultimately it's not about facts. It's about power. Qanons are not otherwise empty vessels who just believe one whacky thing. They have an agenda. The reason they aren't more bothered by Q constantly getting things wrong, why they aren't more bothered by the extreme inconsistencies and outright contradictions, by the claims that are just materially wrong, is because it gives them power over others who are bound by something as weak and flimsy as "reality." They claim to be against corruption while hanging their hopes on an openly corrupt man. That naked hypocrisy is the point.

They engage in wild hypocrisy as an act of domination. Adhering to something demonstrably untrue out of spite. Because they believe that power belongs to those with the greatest will to take it. And what greater sign of will than the ability to override truth. Their will is a hammer that they use to beat reality itself to a shape of their choosing. A simple world where reality is exactly how it looks through their eyes. A world devoid of complexity, devoid of change. A world where they are right and their enemies are silent.

 

[nickqt]

Since likely no one will watch this, here is a money quote which explains what is happening on the right:

They are right-wing authoritarians.

Donald Trump is their rightful authority figure.

None of this is new.

 

[woolfe9998]

They are right-wing authoritarians.

Donald Trump is their rightful authority figure.

None of this is new.

I don't think some liberals appreciate the extent to which not only this conspiracy theory but this authoritarian view has gone mainstream on the right. So you can say it isn't new - which it isn't - but I think many still think it's a fringe.