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vtohthree

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It's just culture, what is common practise in one culture is odd in another culture. Something to respect rather than try to complain. But ideology can spread like
wildfire, so if you just practise what you preach maybe others will notice eventually. I have done many rude things in other cultures out of ignorance, by the titles I have called them(I probably did equivalent to "hey man" to a highly respected person). So they probably thought I was a very rude American and talked about it
for threads and threads....

Cultures are different, gotta realize that. Not to mention it's also region, ever heard of Southern hospitality? IMO, my fellow Americans in Ohio were extremely rude compared to my fellow Americans in Virginia, same thing, no one opened doors, no one said thank you when I opened doors for them, no one says, "bless you" after you sneeze, etc...

Put yourself in their shoes if you got dropped off in a different culture, you wouldn't know all the rules, etc... I've done it before, I have countless stories of it, and how I made myself look bad because of ignorance to a new culture.

I agree with what MadPeriot put... America is very big, very lax, we aren't that crowded(unless you go to NYC, which they are famous for being "jerks", I love people there though, just a saying that is all..) Not everyone is the exact same everywhere, we all grow up differently.
 

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Didn't notice anything like that in my school. I think a lot of this could be attributed to not understanding the culture; it can be scary coming to a completely new place.

The only real problem we had in my school was with immigrants from former Soviet Union (Russians, Ukrainians, etc) being extremely rude and disrespectful. This went as far as being extremely loud and obnoxious in computer labs and libraries, littering, speaking Russian in classrooms right in the middle of the class, cheating on exams etc.

Myself being an immigrant from soviet union I felt embarrassed by their behavior and at the same time angry for them giving the rest of us bad name. Needless to I and didn't associate with those groups.
 

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Originally posted by: AgentUnknown
Dude, go to NYC. No one does that.

i live in NYC and i am guility of everything mentioned.

but it's not just asians, singling us out like that is just plain hypocritical.
 

eLiu

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Originally posted by: icejunkie
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
why don't they ever wear shorts is what I want to know!!

LOL :p

In Asia, it's taboo to wear shorts. It's just not accepted practice...when I went there I brought only shorts w/me b/c it's hot as hell during the summer, and everyone was giving me weird looks :/
 

konakona

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I am all for multiculturalism and adopt whatever seems to work best for me. as such, i practice all the afformentioned custmoms : holding doors for others and saying thank you when someone else does it for me, saying "bless you" when someone sneezes and etc.

The Asian exchange students/Tas/FOBs all have horrible hygiene. Most of them haven't washed their hair in a week and they don't know what tooth paste is because they have some of the worst breath I have ever smelled.
i really hope you were joking :Q maybe the FOBs you met were from underdeveloped countries only? dont forget some asian countries now surpass many european countries in terms of standard of living.

When I'm on campus, I notice that most Asian students are always in a hurry. It is very unusual for me to see them walking, always "speed walking" if not jogging or running. The expression on their face looks like they are late for something. I've never been able to figure out what the hell is going on.
personally, i am usually in a rush to a class cuz i am one lazy bastard and can never leave my house on time. on my way back from the classes tho, i am as laid back as one could be.

I've noticed that foreign students tend to do things at my university that people should know not to do, like cutting in line. I can't say which, and I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt.
good thing you did, people cut lines regardless of their race, origin, sex from my experience.

Problem is that he didn't bother to yell.
maybe he couldnt find the right word to yell for a warning? i know people at home yell heads up when they play soccer or bball.

Another funny thing is that the foreign students tend to walk down the left side of the hall instead of the right.
if they were all males, it could be their military experience. many asian countries have military drafts and are forced to learn and accustomed to walk on the left side for years.

I'm an ABC, so you FOBs can bash me. I go to Taiwan almost every year and duh it's a mess. Look at their driving. There's no such thing as courtesy. It's cutting everyone off, no such thing as right of way, splitting 2 lanes into 4, etc. They run reds because unprotected lefts are impossible to make so once it turns red they force their way through because they never got a chance when green. They block intersections, etc etc. Pedestrians have no right of way, cars just kick ur ass, etc.
i will give you that, driving manners are a lot worse elsewhere in the world. but thats not just because they are asian. among the places i have personally been to, germans drive much nicer than americans do on average. russians drive worse than anyone i have seen on the face of this planet, but they arent exactly asian. from what i heard, they drive kinda rough in latin american countries as well. you see, its not an asian thing at all.

I got into a fight in Taiwan because my mom and I got pushed and then later someone pushed my mom and made her fall. I just said WTF (not even at the guy) and he started laughing at me with his stupid Chinese insults that I obviously understood. I yelled a quick F-you at him followed by Cantonese swear words (no I'm not Canto), and bam it was a 5 on 1. I only got to knock 1 guy really good before I bailed.
sorry you had a bad experience. cant speak for taiwan since i havnt been there, but i hear about kids getting into fights in the states as well. i would say one bad incident shouldnt be a basis for generalization and make it look like all natives in asian countries are rude and delinquent.

Honestly, I think people have no courtesy in Asia. They smoke in your face, they talk on their cell phones so loud, not respecting the public.
how many threads have you seen on ATOT with people complaining about cell phone use at the movies? i sure have seen enough to know people do the same here.

You know, it's just culture. I wish everyone there could be polite. I'm still afraid to drive there today even though I breeze through traffic in SF or whatever here. I wish they could adopt a more friendly and courteous attitude.
to my limited experience, people at home are just as courteous as people here in certain ways, if not more. i cant put my finger on it, but its more of a culture clash.

My fobby friends are rascists sometimes and they go "omg stupid white ppl" and talk crap about white people to me in Chinese. I don't agree and I have yet to confront them about that but while I do run into "stupid white people" sometimes, I honestly think there are a lot more white people that have made me smile and say to myself "damn he's a really nice guy" than there have been asians who made me say that. I mean I won't be expecting an Asian guy to look at my shirt and speak up and say "hey what does that mean on your shirt?" as this one white gentleman did at Wendy's last week when I had a shirt poking fun of Stanfurd.
i never did that with my fob friends, YMMV there :eek:

now that someone brought up the starcraft... you all know how disrespectful pre-puberscent kids can get.. the problem is, Korea IS the most wired country in the world BY FAR; literally half of those players online are either in junior high or grade school with little to no grasp on english. it always bugged me how these dumbasses bring bad names to koreans. some of the nicest players i have known in my diablo2 days were korean, japanese, chinese.. you go figure :)
 

Al Neri

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funny.

i've seen around here that when an italian is being loud and obnoxious, wearing certain clothes, talking a certain way, looking a certain way he's being a guido/wop/dego/whatever, but since the OP made a reference to an asian its all of a sudden a racial thing. hmm.

just an observation.
 

Al Neri

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Originally posted by: MadPeriot
Originally posted by: jEct2
I'm Asian and I got here when I was 13 which was 10 years ago. I have a healthy perspective on both cultures.

They don't usually hold doors and openly say thank you as much because that is simply the sheer difference of culture. We just don't do it ususally, nothing more and nothing less. If you see that as being 'rude' then you have an ignorance problem. That is same as Asians observing Americans are rude with opening their mouths before careful thinking or picking up a spoon before elders at a dinner table. (It's polite to wait until the oldest start eating first.)

It is simply a culture crash.

If Stefan was an Asian in Asia and saw foreign Americans behaved their ways, you would immediately label them as being rude as well. Only the wise may recognize that it is the difference of culture and no offense was intended by either culture.

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Here are some more asian culture for you all:
If you were invited over for dinner you should least bring something to give thanks for being invited so it doesn't seem like you're free loading.

Asians (mainly chinese) brings gifts over when they go over to a friend's house or relatives house.

You wait till everyone gets their plate before you start eating at the dinner table.

Assist to grab food (with chopsticks) for the elder and put in their plate to show respect

No shoes allowed in the house, its dirty.

Asians don't sleep with socks on, it smells.

Never talk back to elders, even though you know they are wrong, trust me a lot of people do. Just look at our educational systems, esp. in HS kids yells and pull stunts at the teachers.

Most asians fit for the bill after a meal at a restaurant instead of culture here where everyone pays for whatever they ate.

I'm italian and all of those things apply to my upbringing. We also plastic-coat our furniture :-D
 

Attrox

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What are you talking about? I'm asian and I learn to do things like holding the door for someone else + saying thanks if someone holding the door for me. I didn't learn it in the U.S though, I learned it while studying in Australia. Actually I find that generally people in L.A. rarely do these sort of things, not just asians.
 

Ricemarine

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Heh, I hold doors if the person is close to me, otherwise I let them open it for themselves :) I'm asian.. Course if I do say thank you or something to them, someone in my family is bound to tell me that you shouldn't be talking to strangers.

Example:A guy came to my house to talk about this whole petition crap. Open door, talk talk, close door. You get yelled at by your family members because they're freakin paranoid.
 

vtohthree

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ok, its safe to say this... I will not call the OP any names, but he must "open his mind", that people are different everywhere. As I stated above, and as someone else restated, you can go to different parts of America(particularly big cities) and whether they are black/red/white/yellow(doesn't matter), they will not open the door for you, gee whiz, a different culture even within America.... or you can go to other places and here and it'll be vice versa, to exclude all races except one and say that they are all "like this", or "rude" isn't quite pliable.

In my life time, I've been wronged by many individuals, of many various backgrounds, does that mean I have to go and dislike their whole ethnic group? Would I be justified by being wronged by just one individual and saying he/she represents a whole nation? NO!!!

In the same way, I have friends of all nations and backgrounds. People are individuals, one person could say, "are all white people racist?" That question would be completely oblivious, even if a non-caucasian person lived in a Southern rural KKK area. That person could be very tempted to say such a statement, but would still not be justified because you just can't say that, you have to open your mind to that. So saying, "are all asians rude?" Have you not been honked at or flicked off by a non-asian before on the road?

I hope this nails it to the ground.

PS. I have plenty of Asian, European, and South American(particularly Brazilian) aquaintances that complain to me that us Americans are extremely rude and disrespectful. When they say American, they mean WASP's, they too generalize, but its because they point at the majority. And I have to give them the same speech about respecting cultures and how every place you go is different, SO WAKE UP!!!
 

vtohthree

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Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: icejunkie
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
why don't they ever wear shorts is what I want to know!!

LOL :p

In Asia, it's taboo to wear shorts. It's just not accepted practice...when I went there I brought only shorts w/me b/c it's hot as hell during the summer, and everyone was giving me weird looks :/



eLiu, it depends what part of Asia you're talking about. It's just saying "America" while trying to include Canada, North, Central, and South America. Asia is just that diverse in land terrain, climate, language, and even food. I've seen plenty of people in Korea and Japan wearing shorts, and I mean short shorts, different part of the world. And wouldn't people know, they actually wear long sleeves and heavy coats in the winter too!

lol... I remember I met this one guy who thought all "Asian" countries were exotic, hot, and tropical... yeah, try telling that to Northern, and Eastern Asian people.
 

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Originally posted by: vtohthree
ok, its safe to say this... I will not call the OP any names, but he must "open his mind", that people are different everywhere. As I stated above, and as someone else restated, you can go to different parts of America(particularly big cities) and whether they are black/red/white/yellow(doesn't matter), they will not open the door for you, gee whiz, a different culture even within America.... or you can go to other places and here and it'll be vice versa, to exclude all races except one and say that they are all "like this", or "rude" isn't quite pliable.

In my life time, I've been wronged by many individuals, of many various backgrounds, does that mean I have to go and dislike their whole ethnic group? Would I be justified by being wronged by just one individual and saying he/she represents a whole nation? NO!!!

In the same way, I have friends of all nations and backgrounds. People are individuals, one person could say, "are all white people racist?" That question would be completely oblivious, even if a non-caucasian person lived in a Southern rural KKK area. That person could be very tempted to say such a statement, but would still not be justified because you just can't say that, you have to open your mind to that. So saying, "are all asians rude?" Have you not been honked at or flicked off by a non-asian before on the road?

I hope this nails it to the ground.

PS. I have plenty of Asian, European, and South American(particularly Brazilian) aquaintances that complain to me that us Americans are extremely rude and disrespectful. When they say American, they mean WASP's, they too generalize, but its because they point at the majority. And I have to give them the same speech about respecting cultures and how every place you go is different, SO WAKE UP!!!

Very well said :thumbsup:

 

aznman

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Im so white washed in your american ways....cars, guitars, and cigars.....with some zeppelin for the ears.....
 

vtohthree

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Thats just America, and thats the beauty of America, apple pie, New York style pizza, the hotdog(rebranded weiner), Jazz, Rap/hip hop, rock and roll music, General Tso's chicken, and even fortune cookies, all born in America! After all, everyone was an immigrant here at one point with the exception of the native Americans. As a product of today, we are a result of these different cultures clashing and making us uniquely "American" (for those who are American here). We don't greet eachother with kisses, or give humble bows, but its ok going in all directions, it's just culture, something to respect and learn on all sides.
 

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I'm asian and I was born in the United States. Anyway, I ALWAYS hold the door for people and say excuse me or sorry when I bump into people.
 

tlam617

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Most asian americans are not rude nor do they have small eyes. I'm asian and I have big eyes. Maybe I'm a mix but who knows? I volunteer at Red Cross and I have a job at the IT department at Boston University.

The asians that Stefan is referring to are asian people who has just arrived to this country and is afraid. As you know, mainland Asian people are fearful and they do not like to start trouble. They were brought up about in a completely submissive and hierarchical society. Back in the day, if you did anything wrong, you are dead. Off with your head. If you even look at the empress, you are dead. If you do not kneel to the emporer, you are dead. In the days of Maoism, if you are rich, you are forced to share your wealth. If you oppose, you are dead. My great grandfather on my dads side was a wealthy man witha mansion and all so when Mao tried to take everything away from him and share with the common populace... he opposed. The following day, he was hanged for his crimes. WTH. Even today, the Chinese government has alot of control over its people. For instance, you cannot have more than two kids in a single family in many parts of China.

With all being said, it is no wonder asian people are fearful and seemingly rude. They are of course more than there meets the eye. Asian Americans are indifferent to all races and groups. We are after all part of the great American melting pot. To say that all asian people are rude and have small eyes is outright stereotypical. Comparing a favorable attribute, i.e having big eyes, to a less appealing attribute can certainly stir some stormy criticism.

I mean, how would you like it if I compared a White man's inferior small penis to a Black man's penis? It's not racist.. like you said. I'm just comparing factual details...
 

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Originally posted by: tlam617
Most asian americans are not rude nor do they have small eyes. I'm asian and I have big eyes. Maybe I'm a mix but who knows? I volunteer at Red Cross and I have a job at the IT department at Boston University.

The asians that Stefan is referring to are asian people who has just arrived to this country and is afraid. As you know, mainland Asian people are fearful and they do not like to start trouble. They were brought up about in a completely submissive and hierarchical society. Back in the day, if you did anything wrong, you are dead. Off with your head. If you even look at the empress, you are dead. If you do not kneel to the emporer, you are dead. In the days of Maoism, if you are rich, you are forced to share your wealth. If you oppose, you are dead. My great grandfather on my dads side was a wealthy man witha mansion and all so when Mao tried to take everything away from him and share with the common populace... he opposed. The following day, he was hanged for his crimes. WTH. Even today, the Chinese government has alot of control over its people. For instance, you cannot have more than two kids in a single family in many parts of China.

With all being said, it is no wonder asian people are fearful and seemingly rude. They are of course more than there meets the eye. Asian Americans are indifferent to all races and groups. We are after all part of the great American melting pot. To say that all asian people are rude and have small eyes is outright stereotypical. Comparing a favorable attribute, i.e having big eyes, to a less appealing attribute can certainly stir some stormy criticism.

I mean, how would you like it if I compared a White man's inferior small penis to a Black man's penis? It's not racist.. like you said. I'm just comparing factual details...

well said

and stefan, just wondering, why do you have all these asian questions? :)

 

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Originally posted by: jEct2
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: jEct2

There's truth in that, I agree. But same can be said for any culture. Remember, dumbasses are colorless. Go to your local street and you'll find yourself a handful of ignorant american morons. You can even find our resident dumbass of ATOT right here in this very thread, ask 91TTZ ;)

It's sad to see that you just can't let it go. I saw your original post before you edited it, but I guess you still had too much anger left over to avoid taking another cheap shot.

I bet you were the kind of feeble kid who got picked on by more masculine guys. Angered and frustrated that you were physically dominated, you enacted "revenge" by drawing angry pictures and mutilating insects.

I really wish that I could meet you. ;)

Meet me? AHAHHAHAHHA everyone is tough behind their monitors... LOL That's it? Oh man.. You never cease to amaze me.


both of you are super tuff.

BEING THE TUFF GUY ROX
 

shopbruin

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Originally posted by: Cheezeit

well said

and stefan, just wondering, why do you have all these asian questions? :)

same question. i see the main list of threads and see two straight asian threads by stefan.
 

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stefan=hidden white supremacist
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Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
I think it's just you being closed minded.

I'm being closed minded by asking a question?

You're being closed minded by assuming that foreign people can easily assimilate to your cultural norms. You're closed minded cuz you don't realize that they might have the same values as you in their home country. You're being closed minded cuz you're expecting them to hold the same values as you, and if they don't they are "rude". How are they suppose to know that it might not be courteous if don't say thank you.
I don't think it requires adaptation to say "thank you!" I mean, to open the door ... maybe, but certainly not to say "thank you". Every culture knows the importance of appreciation. The funny thing is, many of the Asian countries have British influence and other European influences; so, if anything, they would know a whole lot about courtesy. Not practicing it is simply of their own choosing.
 

Juno

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stefan, why don't you start to study their cultures and how they approach to YOU. :disgust:
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
I think it's just you being closed minded.

I'm being closed minded by asking a question?

You're being closed minded by assuming that foreign people can easily assimilate to your cultural norms. You're closed minded cuz you don't realize that they might have the same values as you in their home country. You're being closed minded cuz you're expecting them to hold the same values as you, and if they don't they are "rude". How are they suppose to know that it might not be courteous if don't say thank you.


Let me tell you how. You notice that some held the door held for you in the airport and as you exit the airport, you notice that when people have the door held for them they thank the person who held it open. You see this happening a few times. You learn to do it.

I'm asian myself, and I only came here a few years ago so I know how it feels to learn the culture of a new place. It is ackward at first, but sooner or later you will learn some basic etiquette of the place you live.

I can't stand when people don't thank you for holding the door or don't hold the door. It happens at lot here in NYC I've noticed. People of every kind of race and nationality have been guilty of it.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
I think it's just you being closed minded.

I'm being closed minded by asking a question?

You're being closed minded by assuming that foreign people can easily assimilate to your cultural norms. You're closed minded cuz you don't realize that they might have the same values as you in their home country. You're being closed minded cuz you're expecting them to hold the same values as you, and if they don't they are "rude". How are they suppose to know that it might not be courteous if don't say thank you.


But when Americans go to a foreign country and dont know the local customs and manage to make asses of themselves, they are immediately labeled ugly Americans, rather than being excused as unknowing of local practices.

True, but if you've been abroad and seen how some Americans abroad act - as if they own the place - you'd know that it isn't about a lack of understanding of fine details of local etiquette, but often a lack of basic universal etiquette altogether.