is intel screwing 975 buyers with gulftown price tags?

[Phynaz]

this isn't quite complaining, it is saying,
it seems as if the company is doing all kind of tricks in order to get extra cash,

Isn't that the purpose of a for-profit company?

 

[Idontcare]

Isn't that the purpose of a for-profit company?

+1

I'm reading that post by mutz and all I keep coming back to is that the guy is working really really hard here to convince us that he has no idea how ALL for-profit businesses operate the world over.

He doesn't seem to recognize that every other business out there manages their new product transitions the same way. It is testimony to how well the marketing depts of those other businesses manage to hide the transitions from him.

Price reductions on existing products occur after the replacement product has been brought to market. Ford does not offer deep discounts on 2009 model vehicles until after the 2010 models have been introduced. (I am talking about the prices Ford charges their dealerships, not the prices the dealerships charge the customer)

He's just peeved that one company, Intel in particular, doesn't do as good of a job at manipulating his perception of how businesses in general manipulate the consumer on the eve of a new product rollout whether we are talking about CPU's or cars or laundry detergent or toothpaste.

 

[mutz]

this isn't honest, that's it, it isn't building any producer-consumer trust.
and there isn't (and shouldn't be) any excuse for that rather then saying "our goal in life is making as much more money as possible, screwing our customers and competitors".
and they did got billion $ fines for acting like that.

if your friend would've tricked you the same way, you should probably just leave him n' go away.

He's just peeved that one company, Intel in particular, doesn't do as good of a job at manipulating his perception of how businesses in general manipulate the consumer on the eve of a new product rollout whether we are talking about CPU's or cars or laundry detergent or toothpaste.

FWIW,
it isn't so.

 

[aigomorla]

im just curious on how many people even apply in this kind of hardware catigory.

 

[Idontcare]

FWIW,
it isn't so.

So you either don't believe other companies operate this way without your realizing it or you don't mind that other companies do operate this way so long as their name isn't Intel?

You don't really aim to convince us that you believe Intel is the only for-profit business which operates this way...are you?

 

[Nemesis 1]

IDC LOL you got caught up in this trap lol. Shame on you.

 

[aigomorla]

You don't really aim to convince us that you believe Intel is the only for-profit business which operates this way...are you?

in a situation like this, i do what all QX owners do.

Yell lots of bad words, and point fingers and say poor.



(sarcasm)... please dont take me seriously on this comment.

 

[mutz]

So you either don't believe other companies operate this way without your realizing it or you don't mind that other companies do operate this way so long as their name isn't Intel?

You don't really aim to convince us that you believe Intel is the only for-profit business which operates this way...are you?

i'm not against Intel, rather it's quite obvious they're doing that,
if any other company would stand in the spot lights, she might be noticed as well,
i'm not trying to convince anyone here with anything,
just saying,
it doesn't look good and it isn't fare for the customers.

if one can't come here and say what he thinks without being a suspect,
maybe it would just be better to close the thread.

 

[aigomorla]

i'm not against Intel, rather it's quite obvious they're doing that,
if any other company would stand in the spot lights, she might be noticed as well,
i'm not trying to convince anyone here with anything,
just saying,
it doesn't look good and it isn't fare for the customers.

if one can't come here and say what he thinks without being a suspect,
maybe it would just be better to close the thread.

do you buy QX processors?

Have you ever considered buying one?
Do you even own one?

If you cant answer yes to those 3 questions, i dont think anyone has room to argue about what intel charges on there XE processors.

if you dont like it.. dont buy it.

A lot of people have expressed there thoughts on intel's flag ship.

As long as there not dicking us in the lower end products like they did with the 920 once again... c0/c1 only to be replaced by a much better stepping 3 months later, i dont see how one could complain.

Were you even considering on buying a gulftown?

 

[Zap]

in a situation like this, i do what all QX owners do.

Yell lots of bad words, and point fingers and say poor.

Heh, I got to try this sometime. :twisted:

J/K

it doesn't look good and it isn't fare for the customers.

if one can't come here and say what he thinks without being a suspect,
maybe it would just be better to close the thread.

If one can't come here and say what he thinks without wanting the thread closed, he is suspect.

:awe:

Actually having a premium product does look good to some people. I've known people who wanted to buy the more expensive item regardless that it was 1% better for 20% more cost. Also, in a free market economy it is always fair for the consumer because the consumer can choose an alternative or choose to keep their money.

if you dont like it.. dont buy it.

/thread

 

[aigomorla]

Honestly.. this thread looks like people crying because they cant afford a gulftown cpu.

And there finding ways to get self gratification by listening to others complain that they also cant afford gulftown.

Gulftown was NEVER meant for the simple level consumer.
ITs not even meant for the mid level consumer.

Who is it aimed at?
The bleeding edge consumer.

Bleeding Edge consumer does not care about a 1000 dollar price tag, when the rest of there system totals near 5 digits.

1000 dollar cpu upgrade is another "toy" compared to the rest of the picture.

The only thing they look at is... BEST.. and Not BEST.

 

[waffleironhead]

Dont look at it as getting screwed, more like a bunch of people are going to see a prostitute(intel) for the best time money can buy. Could they get by with a $5 hooker? sure they could, but when you want the best, you have to pay to play. No one is forcing them to seek the services, they are convinced that they want them.

 

[Green Man]

Where's tha ban stick when you need it, why can't anyone spell my name right! It was even in your quote and people still miss it.

d'oh! where was crtl+c, crtl+v when I needed it

 

[Zap]

Dont look at it as getting screwed, more like a bunch of people are going to see a prostitute(intel) for the best time money can buy. Could they get by with a $5 hooker? sure they could, but when you want the best, you have to pay to play. No one is forcing them to seek the services, they are convinced that they want them.

LOL, that's a great analogy. :awe:

 

[VirtualLarry]

Dont look at it as getting screwed, more like a bunch of people are going to see a prostitute(intel) for the best time money can buy. Could they get by with a $5 hooker? sure they could, but when you want the best, you have to pay to play. No one is forcing them to seek the services, they are convinced that they want them.

Will the FTC add "Prostitution ring" to the list of charges against Intel?

 

[mutz]

Were you even considering on buying a gulftown?

actually yes,
comparatively to the 975, with 6 cores EX edition released at 3.33 stock, it'd be a hell of a CPU for DC projects,
it comes at 32nm and it's the same TDP as the earlier 4 cores, it even comes with the same socket.
relatively, it does worth the price, and it'd probably keep it for quite some time.
if anyone bought the 975 few month's ago, or even few weeks ago, before the Gulftown price had been released he'd be losing now ~2 cores and probably some 200$ or more,
people thought they would've been priced at 1200$-1500$...

you can say,
bad luck for them or rather,
they got the money, they wouldn't care,
or rather it's a sweet spot for Intel.

whatever.

 

[exar333]

actually yes,
comparatively to the 975, with 6 cores EX edition released at 3.33 stock, it'd be a hell of a CPU for DC projects,
it comes at 32nm and it's the same TDP as the earlier 4 cores, it even comes with the same socket.
relatively, it does worth the price, and it'd probably keep it for quite some time.
if anyone bought the 975 few month's ago, or even few weeks ago, before the Gulftown price had been released he'd be losing now ~2 cores and probably some 200$ or more,
people thought they would've been priced at 1200$-1500$...

you can say,
bad luck for them or rather,
they got the money, they wouldn't care,
or rather it's a sweet spot for Intel.

whatever.

It technology, it is always changing. If you pay $5,000 for a top of the line TV, and a newer model replaces it 6 months later, do you cry about that company putting "newer tech" into their product lines and complain that your TV is essentially a $3,000 TV model now?

Same issue with GPUs, cars, etc. There are thousands of products just like this; when you buy "bleeding edge" it's expensive.

 

[lothar]

It technology, it is always changing. If you pay $5,000 for a top of the line TV, and a newer model replaces it 6 months later, do you cry about that company putting "newer tech" into their product lines and complain that your TV is essentially a $3,000 TV model now?

Same issue with GPUs, cars, etc. There are thousands of products just like this; when you buy "bleeding edge" it's expensive.

Either the OP doesn't seem to understand how fast technology evolves, or he doesn't understand how businesses operate to increase value to their shareholders.

 

[mutz]

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actually yes,
comparatively to the 975, with 6 cores EX edition released at 3.33 stock, it'd be a hell of a CPU for DC projects,
it comes at 32nm and it's the same TDP as the earlier 4 cores, it even comes with the same socket.
relatively, it does worth the price, and it'd probably keep it for quite some time.
if anyone bought the 975 few month's ago, or even few weeks ago, before the Gulftown price had been released he'd be losing now ~2 cores and probably some 200$ or more,
people thought they would've been priced at 1200$-1500$...

you can say,
bad luck for them or rather,
they got the money, they wouldn't care,
or rather it's a sweet spot for Intel.

whatever.
It technology, it is always changing. If you pay $5,000 for a top of the line TV, and a newer model replaces it 6 months later, do you cry about that company putting "newer tech" into their product lines and complain that your TV is essentially a $3,000 TV model now?

yes complaining, crying, shouting, coursing, grieving, walking with a bag of sand on the head, ceremoning,
going to place a dead chicken at the front of Intel's manager door,
drive a car bomb on they're new fabs,
then sit down n' relax.

this thread label was just a simple question
"is Intel screwing they're customers with the Gulftown price tags",
a kind of a query meant to see what people are thinking about that,
that's all it is.

a solider got killed here a couple of days back,
he got shot at a training facility while a concrete wall got holed by a 7.62 bullet,
it hit him in the face, he got killed almost at the spot.
it's just really messes u up.

 

[Idontcare]

sorry to hear that about your soldier friend mutz, sorry to hear about that happening to anyone

 

[aigomorla]

this thread label was just a simple question
"is Intel screwing they're customers with the Gulftown price tags",
a kind of a query meant to see what people are thinking about that,
that's all it is.

And were telling u its because of demand / market.

When the PS3 first came out, it retailed for 600, but around xmas it was easily going for 1200.

Simular concept, only the vendor is monkeying with prices to tweak revenue.

This shouldnt be what your pissed about tho.
What you should be pissed about is that in about march 2010 LGA1366 should be getting 32nm QUAD CORES on the enterprise sector, while intel might make the consumer wait on 32nm quads til sandy bridge.

Thats what you should be more upset about... not the regulation of prices.

 

[mutz]

gi,
it's just as if the chances are so small for something like this to happen,
the bullet went trough the steel shielding, smashing the 10 inch concrete wall behind it.
there were about four or five of them taking practice, 2-3 inside, another 2 at the back of it,
it hit him strait, the only single bullet to penetrate.

they usually train on 5.56,
in such,
it would hardly been the case.

probably everything happens for a better cause

,

this is what u know,
and what u should understand.

(sorry for derailing the subject)

 

[zsdersw]

To answer your original question, mutz, no, Intel is not screwing anyone with their CPU pricing. Consider the following:

- Separate CPU purchases are, for the vast majority of cases, made by people who are "in the know" about CPUs specifically and building-a-computer in general. As a result, they can see for themselves the specs, the prices, and why one is priced higher than the other.

- No one is forced to buy a separate CPU. You can choose to buy it at the listed price, or you can look elsewhere, you can wait until the price drops, or you can choose not to buy it at all.

- The 975 and Gulftown pricing situation is not new. Intel has priced its latest-and-greatest CPU at the $1000 mark (or higher) for a long time, and the 2nd-latest-and-greatest is usually around half of the price. This, again, is not new for Gulftown and 975.

Is there anything else in the "Common Sense 101" series of online learning courses that I can relay for you?

 

[mutz]

nah,
it's o.k,
the thread was meant to see what people are thinking of these price setting,
it was well explained, though some of the posters here seems to be keep on insisting miss understanding the concept.
it's not only Intel who does this, but other companies might as well,
not only through technological products but in general as well.
it isn't of course like going back to the 8080 like someone said,
it's just a twist that won't get accepted by every customer,
maybe it had happened in the past, maybe not,
i'm unaware of it.

it ain't honest, that's it,
it ain't showing true concern to your customers, that's at least how it seems,
the purpose, isn't creating chips only to label them hi-end,
these chips are at better quality then others, that's why they can be scaled to 3.33 stock speeds and be open multipliers.
some of the posters are saying that people are paying for the tag,
it isn't the tag, it's the properties of the chip itself who makes it better,
more reliable, finer.
people who are buying these chips, are paying for the top of the line products, and they should get some gratitude for it,
and not manipulated in order for the company to get more profit,
and yeah,
this shouldn't become a standard.
maybe i'm mistaking it, at least, that's just how the general picture looks like.

if your main cause is making as much money as possible,
someone keeps on losing,
and in the end,
it'll just hit you back...

 

[zsdersw]

it ain't honest, that's it,

It's perfectly honest. Every bit of information about these CPUs is available to the consumer, including the price. How much more honest can Intel or AMD be?

it ain't showing true concern to your customers, that's at least how it seems,

True concern? Intel and other companies aren't charities, nor is it their role to coddle the consumer. The consumer is responsible for their own purchasing choices.

people who are buying these chips, are paying for the top of the line products, and they should get some gratitude for it,
and not manipulated in order for the company to get more profit,

Gratitude? What more other than "Thank you for your order" do you really expect? If you expect more you're living in a dream world. No one is manipulating anyone. Companies exist to generate profit, and consumers know (or should know) this.

maybe i'm mistaking it,

You have no idea how much you are.

if your main cause is making as much money as possible,
someone keeps on losing,
and in the end,
it'll just hit you back...

You wouldn't happen to be a communist/socialist would you? Someone keeps on losing? Of course someone loses. Life isn't always fair, and it will never be. And besides, we're talking about buying high-end products; if that puts you in the poor house, you're a complete fool, and there's probably no help for you.