OP, aside from your desire to live in a bit of a fantasy world, there's no sexually graphic content in Executive Orders. That being said, start him with Hunt for Red October. At the very least, Debt of Honor, XO is almost a direct sequel to DOH.
also...if your son is 13 and you're trying to keep him away from sexual material...then I'd wager that you're somewhat clueless as to what your son already knows.
at some point, this country will realize that sexuality is not a violation of "cleanliness," and that the strangely acceptable love for violence over sex has been far more damaging to our "moral conscience" as a society.
many of us realize that, of course; but there is a sad population in this country that clings to these antiquated ideas.
I did not mean for this to be a flame war.
My desire is to keep him away from material that is deliberately erotic ... like the kind the american media indulges in. I would have no problem with him seeing a movie where a women walks out naked from the shower. But I would have problem with him seeing a movie showing a woman performing oral sex (even if it was shown obliquely)
And please ... I have heard that stereotypically response "Oh, you will be shocked what he already knows". Wrong. We are the Discovery / Science / History channel nerds at our house. We have NEVER EVER watched a sitcom since he was born. We stay away from shows that rely on sexual innuendos to get ratings. My wife and I are also very particular that he not watch anything that demeans women. So that is that //
Ns1
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There are a few Clancy novels that deal with rape, but they are not graphic IIRC
so uh....
want to buy a bunch of paperback clancy novels?
18.
In the wrong hands ... 'Definitions' are like rubber bands. A very significant portion of all erotic film and print media out there do.
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LOL
100% sure fire way to make sure you kid finds it elsewhere
He's gonna be surfing the internet for hardcore porn by 16.
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foghorn67
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Thanks. Like someone else said .... you cannot unsee the seen.
Its all relative ... an Iraqi child who has never seen a public hanging is perhaps living in a fantasy world. That clearly does not mean that watching a public hanging is acceptable. The media stretches the envelop and the weak comply.
I am an atheist. My signature tag line used to be ""I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence." - Doug McLeod"
No religious nut would put up with those evolution shows on the Science channel.
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http://www.thebest100lists.com/best100novels/
The rank-order is of course debatable, and many of the authors on this list have other excellent novels that aren't listed, but this is a great start.
From a quick scan, I've read 20 of the books on this list, and enjoyed all of them.
The rank-order is of course debatable, and many of the authors on this list have other excellent novels that aren't listed, but this is a great start.
From a quick scan, I've read 20 of the books on this list, and enjoyed all of them.
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Red Strom Rising had an account of rape, which led to a pregnancy.
Executive Orders did not. I would recommend your son to read Debt of Honor first. It ends on a cliffhanger, and EO starts where DoH ends.
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The first like 20 Clancy novels are in fairly chronological order no?
Shit I'd encourage your kid to read them in order....
john clark FTMFW
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sorry, didn't mean to criticize directly, i was trying to make a general statement. Of course, I'd never try to tell someone how to raise their kids...unless they're clinical, i guess.
that all sounds fine and normal...but i wonder where you got the idea that the American media shows "blatant sexual acts, such as oral sex?" I've never seen such video on broadcast or cable TV. Our censors here are wound-up tighter than Jerry Falwell's rotting zombie sphincter. Our TV is way tame compared to overseas.
hell, the ads in France are great! bewbies to sell coffee! ...and the per capita sex/violent crimes are far less in the more sexually tolerant (something that is very normal) societies than what we have here. go figure...
yeah, but I'd generally agree with you that as a parent nudity is fine but would have a problem with blatant images of BJs for a kid that age...but I sure as shit know that cherry was popped for me before 13, and pretty much all of my friends.
Do you let your son out of the house? does he have friends? Can't control everything....
I guess what I mean that, as a parent, I think would not allow such things, but would acknowledge that by that age the exposure is already there, and there ain't no stopping it, and be ready to answer the questions, or even approach first.
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If all you care about is sex Clancy in general is pretty clean. A couple possible exceptions to this might be Without Remorse & maybe Teeth of the Tiger due to the child molester. Been a while since I read that one so I don't remember how graphic it is. It's a flaming POS anyway, you should avoid that one just on principle. Same with Rainbow Six. Both are absolute trash compared to his earlier work, it's like he started writing books for people who like action movies.
I was reading Clancy around that age, if he's capable of making it through them let him. Nothing in them is going to hurt him.
Viper GTS
I was reading Clancy around that age, if he's capable of making it through them let him. Nothing in them is going to hurt him.
Viper GTS
uhh negative. "Red Storm Rising" was before "The Hunt for Red October".
And if IIRC there was actually another book that Clancy Co-Wrote with another author that could even be thought of as a precursor to Red Storm Rising.
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So, if you've successfully managed to keep his precious innocence sheltered and ignorant of all things erotic until then, what makes you think he'll be able to deal with the subject at that age? Or is that the age at which you will have determined you've done the best you can as a parent, cut him loose, and hope for the best?
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You're son is 13. If he goes to a Public school, chances are he had several biology/health classes. he might have even gotten laid.
Trying to "protect" your children from the inevitable just frustrates their development.
That said, I was raised in similar fashion and I don't find myself scouring the internet for pornography. I just scour the area for hawt grrls.
So, to each their own I guess is the right answer.
Trying to "protect" your children from the inevitable just frustrates their development.
That said, I was raised in similar fashion and I don't find myself scouring the internet for pornography. I just scour the area for hawt grrls.
So, to each their own I guess is the right answer.
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