It was the wave of the future maybe in the early 20th century.. And we all know how that turned out
Whoozyerdaddy
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Ummm...
The countries listed are profiting from capitalism and a slow migration away from socialism. As more and more of the citizens of those countries start to posess more and more there will be a slide to democracy. Dictatorships can't succeed unless their people are oppressed. Money is the key to freedom. Those who can afford to leave, do. If you want those people to stay (and their money) you (the government) have to make concessions. Those concessions always involve some surrender of power.
Russia is a democracy. Putin is trying to reign that in. As soon as he does look for Russia to head right back into the toilet.
The US economy is not on the skids... It's expanding at about 4% per year... Much faster than its European contemporaries who are sliding further and further left and deeper into socialism.
China and India are expanding at a faster rate but that's because they are literally starting from zero.
brandonbull
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China is capitalist-ish. They keep their money artifically low so they can be an export economy and bootleg ideas so they won't need to pay for those silly license fees.
theeedude
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Communism is definitely out. Most countries will be somewhere on the sliding scale between Socialism and Capitalism in terms of how big of a safety net the government provides. But that is a different issue entirely from Authoritarianism vs Democracy.
Uhh, why are you directing this at me? You said that none them have read Marx, so they have nothing to say about Communism.
That was my first post..I was merely suggesting that instead of popping in and telling everyone that they have no idea what they are talking about, you could educate them (since you obviously believe you could contribute to the discussion).
If you feel me post was directed at you, it is most likely that you decided to play 'you-can't-say-what-you-said-cop-pseudo-mod-style-let's-start-a-flame-war-becau
e-we-cant'-discuss-what -communism-is-without-appealing-to-popular-misconceptions'
?
The US has a higher GDP(purchasing power parity, aka Gross Domestic Product) than any other country and even surpasses all of the EU combined.We're doing fine. Out of all the major nations, besides oil rich, population low UAE, we have the highest Per Capita GDP(we're #6 after Bermuda(1), Luxembourg(2, speaking of which wtf comes from luxembourg? Where is the money coming from?), Equatorial Guinea(3),United Arab Emirates(4) and Norway(5).
China and India are growing at rapid rates because they are on a completely different stage of economic development compared to US. America nd most 1st world countries have a mature economy based on services and the tech/commerical sector. China/India are essentially in what is their late industrial revolution, which is usually accompanied by high growth. China and India's economy will stabilize.
As for the core question, it is flawed. China does not have a communist governmental and social structure. It sis very hard to believe that someone may truly think china even has the pretenses of classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership of the means of production. That system collapsed after "the Great Leap Forward" decades and decades ago. China is not a true democracy(it can be classified probably more as an Oligarchy) by any means(and neither are we in the US- we are a [/b]Rebublic[/b]) but China has taken small tentative steps toward the democratic approaches and ideologies. In the end, we can see that democratic, or in our case the republican idelas we cherish are actually imposing themselves more and more on China and in the end, given the proper amount of time, China will very very likely become a true Republic once more and more younger, liberal generations find themselves in the government(the sheer size and population densities in the further rural areas may never allow a full grecian democracy).
The US has a higher GDP(purchasing power parity, aka Gross Domestic Product) than any other country and even surpasses all of the EU combined.We're doing fine. Out of all the major nations, besides oil rich, population low UAE, we have the highest Per Capita GDP(we're #6 after Bermuda(1), Luxembourg(2, speaking of which wtf comes from luxembourg? Where is the money coming from?), Equatorial Guinea(3),United Arab Emirates(4) and Norway(5).
China and India are growing at rapid rates because they are on a completely different stage of economic development compared to US. America nd most 1st world countries have a mature economy based on services and the tech/commerical sector. China/India are essentially in what is their late industrial revolution, which is usually accompanied by high growth. China and India's economy will stabilize.
As for the core question, it is flawed. China does not have a communist governmental and social structure. It sis very hard to believe that someone may truly think china even has the pretenses of classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership of the means of production. That system collapsed after "the Great Leap Forward" decades and decades ago. China is not a true democracy(it can be classified probably more as an Oligarchy) by any means(and neither are we in the US- we are a [/b]Rebublic[/b]) but China has taken small tentative steps toward the democratic approaches and ideologies. In the end, we can see that democratic, or in our case the republican idelas we cherish are actually imposing themselves more and more on China and in the end, given the proper amount of time, China will very very likely become a true Republic once more and more younger, liberal generations find themselves in the government(the sheer size and population densities in the further rural areas may never allow a full grecian democracy).
Whitecloak
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Well lets see. I said "Dude, please explain it to them then. "
To them, since you were talking to all of the previous posters in this thread.
However, you then replied to me, with my previous post quoted, and told me to:
What was I supposed to think?
Again, you would accomplish a lot more if you actually tried to contribute to the thread instead of telling everyone they know nothing, and leaving it at that. That was my point all along.
Dude, that is contributing to the thread. Usually what I hear when people start going on about communism is the same idiotic drivel that permeates the airwaves. STFU and read something for once, and stop with the idiocy--that's my message.
Learn how to properly deliver your message if you want to people to respect it. Also, it helps to back up what you say.
rocadelpunk
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Your message is wasted because you choose to deliver it in such a piss-poor manner.
Just so you know.
DainBramaged
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