I assume you mean free like the birds, rather than free like refills at McDonalds. What is 'not free' about a socialist democracy like Britain or France?
India is a democracy. They even voted in a female leader which is more than I can say for some.
QFT. China has grown economically because of other capitalistic societies in the world and being permitted to participate in them.
Huh? You can own weapons for home defence or recreation in Britain. Pretty sure it's thae same in France.
"England - Licenses have been required for rifles and handguns since 1920, and for shotguns since 1967. A decade ago semi-automatic and pump-action center-fire rifles, and all handguns except single- shot .22s, were prohibited. The .22s were banned in 1997. Shotguns must be registered and semi-automatic shotguns that can hold more than two shells must be licensed."
Won't bother looking up France, but they probably have as little respect for civil rights as the English do.
Communism is, in it's lowest common denominator, simply "everyone working for the betterment of everyone". Period. On paper, it's a wonderful idea.
It's only when you introduce the human element that it gets totally screwed up! Let's face it, humans are lazy, self-centered and whiny. It takes no time at all before someone decides that they don't have to work as hard as everyone else, maybe because their work is better than everyone else's. Then someone else decides that if person #1 doesn't have to work as hard, neither do they. Add to that the absolute lack of incentive that anyone has to work harder, and before you know it you have no one working, and everyone expecting everyone else to work harder for their betterment! Like I said, it's wonderful on paper, but unrealistic in real life, insofar as humans are involved.
Socialism is nothing more than everyone chipping in to make certain that everyone has at least a minimum standard of living. Socialized medicine is one easy example, and look at how poorly that works. If you screw up your knee in the good ol' US of A, you can probably get your doctor to get an MRI scheduled for you within a month, tops. If you're in England, you might wait 6 months or longer, or you might not even get to go see a specialist or get that MRI done! Why?? Once again, you've taken away the incentive for people (in this case, doctors & other medical personnel) to work harder, because they're not going to better themselves by working harder or doing more for the patients.
What you're likely to see in the future is some bastardized version of the current democratic republic that the USA runs. Let's face it, we already do have some socialistic tendancies, in welfare and other "public assistance" that's given out, right?
It's only when you introduce the human element that it gets totally screwed up! Let's face it, humans are lazy, self-centered and whiny. It takes no time at all before someone decides that they don't have to work as hard as everyone else, maybe because their work is better than everyone else's. Then someone else decides that if person #1 doesn't have to work as hard, neither do they. Add to that the absolute lack of incentive that anyone has to work harder, and before you know it you have no one working, and everyone expecting everyone else to work harder for their betterment! Like I said, it's wonderful on paper, but unrealistic in real life, insofar as humans are involved.
Socialism is nothing more than everyone chipping in to make certain that everyone has at least a minimum standard of living. Socialized medicine is one easy example, and look at how poorly that works. If you screw up your knee in the good ol' US of A, you can probably get your doctor to get an MRI scheduled for you within a month, tops. If you're in England, you might wait 6 months or longer, or you might not even get to go see a specialist or get that MRI done! Why?? Once again, you've taken away the incentive for people (in this case, doctors & other medical personnel) to work harder, because they're not going to better themselves by working harder or doing more for the patients.
What you're likely to see in the future is some bastardized version of the current democratic republic that the USA runs. Let's face it, we already do have some socialistic tendancies, in welfare and other "public assistance" that's given out, right?
India is the largest democratic govt in the world.
Didn't know it was more expensive to live in Moscow then it is to live in Manhatten, South Beach, 90210, downtown chic, etc.. I don't know if I buy that one.
China is the global friendly version of North Korea. They don't have a crazy person as the face of their country and we'll never talk ****** about them because they own us like a credit card owns a poor college student. Would never want to be in China as a citizen.
But you have a point. Democracy is looking like it is failing. It had a decent run... 250 years, but the established 1 king / dictator style countries seem to always stay on the map.
Didn't know it was more expensive to live in Moscow then it is to live in Manhatten, South Beach, 90210, downtown chic, etc.. I don't know if I buy that one.
China is the global friendly version of North Korea. They don't have a crazy person as the face of their country and we'll never talk ****** about them because they own us like a credit card owns a poor college student. Would never want to be in China as a citizen.
But you have a point. Democracy is looking like it is failing. It had a decent run... 250 years, but the established 1 king / dictator style countries seem to always stay on the map.
If this thread is not P&N then what is?
Anyway, since not one of you have read Marx then you've nothing to say about Communism. You don't even know what it is.
Anyway, since not one of you have read Marx then you've nothing to say about Communism. You don't even know what it is.
Take a course on political philosophy, or at least read Capital vol.1.
edit: and don't even try the "look at USSR" bit--they were not communist.
Hardly. Hong Kong hasn't missed a step since Chinese control. And some mainland cities like Shanghai are just as business and consumer friendly.
communism as a principle will never work because those people who have the power/money will not relinquish it to be equal with everyone else.
It isn't because they are Communist... It is because they ambraced Capitalism. Sooner or later, it will make the middle class push for more political freedom, but that is in the long run.
Dunno. Just don't think it's any more moral than communism.Originally posted by: albatross
why should it be?
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