I had a professor that left our kinetics exam and told us that he expected us to cheat, and encouraged us to use any computers and text books we wanted but that it wouldn't help at all and had an evil cackle and walked out for 90 minutes.
Not my definition of fun.
Not my definition of fun.
I'd say it depends on what you go to school for...
Business - absolutely definetly all the time. (my minor)
Engineering - Rarely, if at all... subjects too complex, problems too complex, answers too complex, work involved too complex.
Homework on the other hand is different, rarely do you have enough time to do all of it for some teachers, so group work/copying is essential to getting anything done. Some call that cheating, I called it getting by.
Business - absolutely definetly all the time. (my minor)
Engineering - Rarely, if at all... subjects too complex, problems too complex, answers too complex, work involved too complex.
Homework on the other hand is different, rarely do you have enough time to do all of it for some teachers, so group work/copying is essential to getting anything done. Some call that cheating, I called it getting by.
It's just as common in the corporate world... how else would you explain the economic turmoil that we're in right now... the world is built on lies!!!
I've been there, the class averaged 50 out of 150 possible score. Curved A is about 80 and the best guy got like 110.
Definitely will not take anything that professor again.
moshquerade
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Worse yet is "Take home exam". No matter how much you converse with other students, nobody has a friggen clue. The dreaded take home exams are the worst.
PieIsAwesome
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I haven't really noticed, probably because I'm not too observant of other students.
The most I have done is keep a few equations or little details stored in my calculator that I tend to forget whenever a calc is allowed.
The most I have done is keep a few equations or little details stored in my calculator that I tend to forget whenever a calc is allowed.
Yes, cheating is a BEAUTIFUL thing, schools should promote it, its essentially teamwork.
Teamwork will bring you much farther in life than just someone who thinks they know it all.
Teamwork will bring you much farther in life than just someone who thinks they know it all.
SneakyStuff
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I'm taking all business classes for my major, there is a strict code of conduct at my school for the business program but despite that A LOT of people cheat. I can't say I blame them though, the stress level for passing some of these classes is pretty bad.
Yeah movie theater style seats make it impossible not to see scantron bubbles one row down. You would have to stare down the entire time to avoid it.
I actually photo copied problems from the answer manual that the prof had at the library desk because I didn't have time to do an assignment. The prof handed it back with full credit and told me it was pretty creative. She was a cool person and I knew she would at least get a laugh out of it but I didn't expect credit for the assignment. I only did it the one time because you had to do the homework so you knew the material well enough for the tests.
ConstipatedVigilante
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Cheating in high school is so easy, along with the fact that usually you don't really get in trouble (although 1 kid did get a 0 on a major test for some minor thing - can't remember exactly what he did). In college, it's harder to cheat because there are going to be about 5 TAs patrolling the lecture hall. Also, if you get caught cheating you're totally fucked (possible expulsion/usually guaranteed failure of course). So it's not worth it unless you're being really smart about it - you still have to earn that grade.
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Then again, there will be some people who are simply too stupid to do the work. I'm not talking about high level calculus, either. Back in high school I knew a kid who was dumb as a pile of bricks - he was a nice guy, but he just didn't get it. We were in the same English class junior year. The teacher was an absolute bimbo (stupid, but a definite tilf) and everyone cheated on the quizzes and such while she was sitting at the head of the class. This kid I knew would write out full papers just like everyone else, but they were so terrible that the teacher would give him Cs. He complained that he tried hard, but the teacher said one of the most memorable quotes of high school: "At this point, effort doesn't really matter."
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That's not cheating. That's knowing what the teacher is looking for - which is part of what your grade is based on.
Then again, there will be some people who are simply too stupid to do the work. I'm not talking about high level calculus, either. Back in high school I knew a kid who was dumb as a pile of bricks - he was a nice guy, but he just didn't get it. We were in the same English class junior year. The teacher was an absolute bimbo (stupid, but a definite tilf) and everyone cheated on the quizzes and such while she was sitting at the head of the class. This kid I knew would write out full papers just like everyone else, but they were so terrible that the teacher would give him Cs. He complained that he tried hard, but the teacher said one of the most memorable quotes of high school: "At this point, effort doesn't really matter."
Bibble
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That's not how it works. I took a class like this and figured out 2/3 of the way through the semester I had to start "cheating" to do well.
Our tests were take home, open book, open note. The only rules were that you couldn't talk to other people about the test until 24 hours after the time it was due and you could only take an hour to do the test. The tests were all long answer questions (e.g. take 20 minutes for 3 questions each). The professor would grade them by letting the class set its own standard (i.e. the answers he felt were best would go on top, the worst answers would go on the bottom, the top page would set the A standard, the bottom would be a D or something).
I saw people getting back these A tests that were like 4 pages long. Meanwhile I wrote like 2 pages and got an 80. The other kids in my class were clearly taking more than an hour do do the test. I figured this had been going on for years and the professor thought 4 pages answering 3 questions in one hour was normal. Therefore, in order to do well, everyone had to cheat and take more than an hour to complete the test.
By and large, however, cheating was much more rampant in high school for me. My class in particular was renowned for cheating. People would steal tests ahead of time and make copies, tell kids in later sections of classes the answers on the tests, talk during quizzes, cheat sheets during tests, answers on calculators, etc.
I'm sure cheating happens here at college, but I don't see much. I just took a midterm this afternoon which was totally unsupervised. There was just a manila envelope with the exams inside on the front table and a pile of blue books. One person passed out the tests and another handed out the blue books. We all shut up and took the test and threw everything back in the envelope when we were finished.
Depends on class and teacher.
Some classes have 6 different forms, all color coded, with assigned seats, restricted calculators, and TA's walking up and down the aisles.
Others can be huge lecture halls with just one form and everyone in the back is cheating or texting each other.
But some classes you can't even cheat at all, like upper division engineering classes where they grade you on the work that you've done.
Some classes have 6 different forms, all color coded, with assigned seats, restricted calculators, and TA's walking up and down the aisles.
Others can be huge lecture halls with just one form and everyone in the back is cheating or texting each other.
But some classes you can't even cheat at all, like upper division engineering classes where they grade you on the work that you've done.
I know it isn't cheating, but I don't think it is entirely ethical because I'm not really learning the information and repeating it back to the professor like I'm supposed to, I'm just putting together assignments in a way to make it look like I did. Plus 2 years of my college I spent studying abroad, 6 of those classes I never had to actually attend and half of the others were cakewalks (a stat class with open book tests, a chemistry class with open note exams and the teacher providing me all her notes while I took it). So my college career hasn't exactly been as good as it might appear on my transcript.
What I mean is "cheating" isn't really effective in college, at least for a liberal arts major. What is more effective for those of us who did things like cheat through high school, is gaming the system like I did.
BoomerD
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2 students in my computer accounting class turned in the exact same final project for Peachtree 2 weeks ago...down to the penny...
Pretty stupid IMO, way too easy to modify a couple of numbers so that things don't match exactly those of your friend...
Last semester, 2 got caught "working together" during a bookkeeping test. Both were not only kicked out of the class, but out of the college.
I'm fortunate to attend a school that has a ZERO cheating policy.
Pretty stupid IMO, way too easy to modify a couple of numbers so that things don't match exactly those of your friend...
Last semester, 2 got caught "working together" during a bookkeeping test. Both were not only kicked out of the class, but out of the college.
I'm fortunate to attend a school that has a ZERO cheating policy.
zero tolerance, zero thought. Some kids at my school had criminial charges pressed against them for stealing exams. No jail time but it went on their record, they had probation, fines, and ton of community service. The punishment should fit the crime.
I cheated on everything in HS but it changes in university i will not cheat here
oh and homework does NOT count...serously the amount that is given is just stupid so me and my friends believe in a team effort
oh and homework does NOT count...serously the amount that is given is just stupid so me and my friends believe in a team effort
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