Is cheating as common in college?

[thegimp03]

Yeah, lots of people I knew cheated in college. That 10 page term paper you need written by tomorrow? Pay someone smart to do it and get an easy A, whereas I worked a couple of nights on it and got a lower grade. That take home Finance midterm that someone doesn't know how to do can easily be outsourced to someone getting their MBA in Finance. You would think that the punishment for cheating would be severe enough to be a deterrent, but people still did it. However, I'd still have to say that more people cheated at my high school than in my college.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Yeah, lots of people I knew cheated in college. That 10 page term paper you need written by tomorrow? Pay someone smart to do it and get an easy A, whereas I worked a couple of nights on it and got a lower grade. That take home Finance midterm that someone doesn't know how to do can easily be outsourced to someone getting their MBA in Finance. You would think that the punishment for cheating would be severe enough to be a deterrent, but people still did it. However, I'd still have to say that more people cheated at my high school than in my college.

How much does the average term paper pay? I might get into this business, I could do 10 pages in a couple of hours.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: BoomerD
2 students in my computer accounting class turned in the exact same final project for Peachtree 2 weeks ago...down to the penny...

Pretty stupid IMO, way too easy to modify a couple of numbers so that things don't match exactly those of your friend...

Last semester, 2 got caught "working together" during a bookkeeping test. Both were not only kicked out of the class, but out of the college.

I'm fortunate to attend a school that has a ZERO cheating policy.

zero tolerance, zero thought.

That works for rules on weapons that are applied to toothpicks, but cheating is cheating.

Some kids at my school had criminial charges pressed against them for stealing exams. No jail time but it went on their record, they had probation, fines, and ton of community service. The punishment should fit the crime.

It should fit the crime. They should get the same punishment as someone else who stole something different in a similar manner. It sounds like that's what happened. Theft isn't "no big deal" just because you're a dumb kid.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Champ
I cheated on everything in HS but it changes in university i will not cheat here

oh and homework does NOT count...serously the amount that is given is just stupid so me and my friends believe in a team effort

sweet sweet ironing

 

[imported_Imp]

Depends on what type. During tests, not really...

I hear people get their tests back and ask for remarks after re-doing the answer. Copying of assignments is extremely common.

 

[JohnCU]

i only cheated once in college, and that's because everyone else was doing it and so it only seemed fair. got a B in the class from that.

 

[akshatp]

Originally posted by: effowe
Cheating happened all the time at my school. This reminds me of one of the most hi-tech ways I have heard about cheating at school. My friend's roomate, along with one of his friends, were in the same class. For the final they both went in with earpieces connected to some sort of two way radio, and they stored the mic's in their sleeves. While taking the test they would rest their head on their hand and whisper answers back and forth to each other. I thought that was a pretty ingenious way to cheat.

I did this, but better back in 1995 when I was in college.

Bought four of the same two way radios from Radio Shack for about $110 a piece. But the problem was none of us knew shit so we needed an outside party to help us. My friend walked into the exam room with us where all the exams were already face down on the desks. He picked one up, and snuck out before the exam started.

We then waited for 2 hours while everyone was doing the exam, while three of us sat and doodled and waited for our outside friend to radio in with the answers. We all aced the multiple choice exam and passed Chem!!

Edit: We returned the two ways at RS afterwards

 

[rh71]

wow I had to read like 4 or 5 posts before I realized it wasn't about relationship cheating.

 

[Eeezee]

Really? At my undergrad + grad school (I've done a lot of TAing) we would get extra TAs for test proctoring, just so that we could make sure that no one cheats.

First time getting caught = you fail the test
Second time = you fail the course
Third = you are expelled

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Depends on the school, class, and people in it.

I had some classes where if you did not cheat you would fail and even the most honest people caught on real quick. While other classes you get turned in.

Some based on the teacher some on the class and so forth. But with college if its a class where little to nobody cheats and you get caught you can get kicked out of school.

This really makes no sense at all. If everyone is cheating on the tests, then who is providing the correct answers? Obviously someone actually knows how to do the material, implying that the cheaters are just lazy/incompetent. Sorry, but I can't have sympathy for people who cheat, even if the class is hard; if it's hard, that means you need to work harder. You can't put the same effort into Quantum Field Theory as you put into Art History 101 and expect to get the same grade. Some classes are just more difficult than others.

Also, there is no such thing as 'stupid busy work' unless you are able to do it with no difficulties at all. For instance, just because you can solve a few types of 2d kinematics problems doesn't mean that you're good at them. It's called practice. Practice is the only way to develop the essential problem solving skills that you'll need later (on exams and in future courses for instance)

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Champ
I cheated on everything in HS but it changes in university i will not cheat here

oh and homework does NOT count...serously the amount that is given is just stupid so me and my friends believe in a team effort

Working on homework in a group is not cheating. Splitting up the assignment and then copying each others' answers is cheating. Which were you doing?

For instance, if you get stuck on a problem and need help but end up getting through the whole thing yourself (with assistance), that's not cheating at all. If you're blatantly copying then that's cheating.

 

[ed21x]

the tried and true TI-Graph Link is still the preferred method if you just want to type things out on a txt document and paste it into your calculator. There are of course far more elaborate ways... among them, shrinking a crib sheat to look like the nutritional info wrapper on a 20 oz. plastic bottle of coke, Databank/message watches, putting stuff on an ipod and just leaving it out in the open, cuz everyone likes ipods, etc...

 

[alkemyst]

I was in college 90-95 and 99-2000, both times cheating was rampant. One time an entire group of 20 students were excused when the teacher provided the same test that was leaked but switched the right answers letter. They all 'keyed' in 100% on the old test.

In my programming classes it was bad enough that I often did my programs outside of C/C++ just to show I took a bit of extra effort. Many just changed the order of functions and fluffed the code to obscure it.

I never really saw grades as a means to an end, but rather a challenge.

I guess it's like the guys that just like to use cheatcodes in games versus taking the time to learn them

 

[Mo0o]

The gen chem class back at my UG had two lecture sessions so two different test times. Kids from teh second session would sneak into the first test session, just sit around staring at teh test for 2 hours then sneak out with the copy when everyone was turning their tets in. Then they'd come back 5 hours later and ace teh test during their actual test session. As far as I'm aware no one reported them.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

I never cheated in college and don't know anyone that did. College was way too easy to bother to cheat anyway.

 

[rezinn]

I never cheated in college. Not even once. Most people I knew did cheat at one time or another or every day.

 

[uberman]

I never cheated in college and if I did I'd expect expulsion or similar. I've got three degrees all with honors. To the best of my knowledge none of my friends did either.

I went back to college though when I was 30 years old.

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat

In lower level classes it was pretty common - i.e intro c++/lib arts/assembly. In upper level classes people ask you for help and if you can't explain it or can't see what they're talking about you look like a dumbass. One time I saw a prof catch a pretty big group of people cheating on a signals and systems test - he took them out into the hallway and bitched at the morons pretty loudly.

My signals and system teacher was uploading the test to her website before the exam. Some people knew about it, and they would find it. That's how a small portion were always getting good grades until she figured it out. Her class was insanely hard so I'm not surprised people would cheat to pass. You didn't really need it since you were doing her homework for every other class plus CAPA. I thought it was tough because we didn't get enough time on the test.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: vshah
yeah its common, and it's sickening

yeah.
It's amazing the number of college students that still can't get through a simple English class without asking someone else to do their work for them, or simply download some BS paper off the internet.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I had a professor that left our kinetics exam and told us that he expected us to cheat, and encouraged us to use any computers and text books we wanted but that it wouldn't help at all and had an evil cackle and walked out for 90 minutes.

Not my definition of fun.

whenever professor say "open book"...I get scared. It means you actually have to know your shit and just knowing the basics will not get you by.

Worse yet is "Take home exam". No matter how much you converse with other students, nobody has a friggen clue. The dreaded take home exams are the worst.

hehe, agreed.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I went to high school between 1994-1998 and to college between 1998-2002. In other words, back for all the gizmos were schools. Cheating was treated very seriously in both high school and college. In fact, while I was at GT, a bunch of students received failing grades for cheating in Computer Science "101".

I can say I honestly never cheated on a single test or quiz or exam. Yet, I made it through with honors. And I am proud of that.

Those of you who cheat and "succeed"...how can you call it success?

 

[GTaudiophile]

I don't understand why there is not zero tolerance. I mean, if I were a teacher and a student so much as pulled out an iPod or phone during the test, that student would receive a failing grade immediately. No questions asked.

The rule would be simple: all electronic devices turned off and put away.

 

[knawlejj]

I've only done it once, but it was for one specific problem in Accounting. Otherwise I would say at my college the cheating is at a bare minimum because of the small class sizes (never above 20) and the professors are usually pretty observant during those times. High school = cheating out of control. It will catch up to them if they continue to do so though.

 

[LtPage1]

I very rarely hear about it, and only when the person was caught. My school is hardcore serious about preventing it, and coming down HARD when it happens. So I don't talk about it with people that often, and I can only speak for myself when I say that I would absolutely turn someone in. High school is one thing, but a college GPA is a really, really important part of my resume, and other people cheating does nothing but cheapen that. And if the class is graded on a curve, it's even more unacceptable.

 

[cthulhu]

Originally posted by: Balr0g

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Depends on the school, class, and people in it.

I had some classes where if you did not cheat you would fail and even the most honest people caught on real quick. While other classes you get turned in.

Some based on the teacher some on the class and so forth. But with college if its a class where little to nobody cheats and you get caught you can get kicked out of school.

How could there be a class where you have to cheat to pass? That doesn't make sense.


So if you do well and do good on assignments and such, but you didn't cheat does the professor just say "Hey, you did good but I never saw you cheating, so I'm giving you an F." WTF?

I took a class like that. The only people that made A's and B's were people who had the previous years tests and homework. Those of us that made C's, D's, and F's tried to do it on our own. I also took classes where on the first day the prof would tell us how many A's, B's, C's, D's, and F's would be in the class.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: knawlejj
I've only done it once, but it was for one specific problem in Accounting. Otherwise I would say at my college the cheating is at a bare minimum because of the small class sizes (never above 20) and the professors are usually pretty observant during those times. High school = cheating out of control. It will catch up to them if they continue to do so though.

Yeah, but cheating in high school doesn't matter. You're expected to be a stupid delinquent teenager. I didn't cheat in high school, though - I helped 1 friend on a test by giving her my answer sheet, but she fucked up and the teacher saw it. Since the teacher loved me (I don't know why, probably because I was the only one who wasn't a fuckup in her freshman class), she excused it with a glare. I just told her that I must've left it on a lunch table. Girls are dumb.