Is AMD FX Bulldozer really that bad for Gaming?

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LOL_Wut_Axel

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Where did I talk about total platform cost etc.? I just compared two CPUs without consideration for other factors.


And that's where you error is.

Without platform cost, you can't factor in how much a CPU will actually cost. Without the additional investment in a motherboard with more power phases and a better CPU heatsink/fan you can't do this marvelous overclocking you're mentioning. And if you don't overclock, then the i3 is the same speed in multi-threaded and a huge amount faster in single-threaded. All while consuming 2x less power. If you ARE overclocking, you need to invest in those two things and by then you need to tack on $70 to achieve a worthy overclock. Tacking on those additional benjamins means you're at the same price as a 2400, which will be faster regardless of whether the 4100 is overclocked or not.

So no matter whether you overclock or not, the FX-4100 is a bad choice.
 

AtenRa

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Regarding all this talk of overclocking; you can't compare overclocked to stock, it's not reasonable. Someone who is willing to overclock an AMD chip will be just as willing to overclock an Intel chip, all other things being equal.

I would gladly OC the Intel Core i3 but Intel was so nice they completely locked the CPU from any form of OC. The user of an i3 may be willing to OC but Intel believes that you need to spend $200+ for an unlocked CPU. Not only that but you have to spend more money for a P67,Z68 or Z77 Motherboard as well in order to be able to OC that $200+ CPU.

So,we can compare an OCed CPU vs a non OCed CPU at a similar price point no cheating here. What strikes me the most is people whining about comparing OCed CPUs against Core i3 and they have accepted that they need to spend more than $200 for a truly OCed Intel CPU.

Sorry guys but i will like to be able to OC even a $50 CPU ;)


You're guaranteeing overclocked results and comparing them to the competition at stock, and that's just wrong. But even more telling, you say that you can get certain clocks out of specific AMD chips, yet you're running a watercooling rig on your own OCed chip (as is MentalIllness, the other member posting his OCed AMD results). How much does a watercooling set-up run? $100 or so? Now you're comparing comparably priced chips but adding a $100 watercooler and OCing one and running the other on stock clocks/voltages/cooling. Well if a $300 watercooled rig isn't 50% faster than a $200 rig, isn't the price/performance ratio STILL in favor of Intel?

You have to read my review (link in my sig bellow) to see that i have OCed with stock heat-sink. No need to buy extra cooling to OC the FX CPUs from 3.6GHz to 4.2GHz.



I'm not a fanboy of any hardware, but from all objective standpoints, Intel chips are superior for use in gaming computers. They use less power, they are more efficient and they deliver higher FPS in every comparable scenario (OC to non-OC does not count as comparable as it's a broken comparison to begin with). Couple that with the fact that they are virtually indistinguishable in price, and there is really no good reason to choose an AMD chip right now in a gaming machine (unless you get a killer deal like the Microcenter deal, which they also offered for the 2600K, a far superior gaming chip to any of AMD's offerings).

Most people will believe im an AMD fanboy, they clearly mistaken. But there is no point in making them understand that. Most of the users here can and they are willing to spent more than $200 for a CPU. By all means thats fine by me and you will not read me recommend any AMD CPU above the $200 mark. But bellow the $200 mark, AMD CPUs are very price/performance competitive when OCed like it or not and that's a fact.

Supporting a company is fine. But don't be dishonest about why you're doing it. If you like AMD more than Intel as a company, it's a subjective judgment, and it shouldn't affect which chip is objectively better. For the purposes of building a gaming rig, there's a reason every reputable tech site on the internet is currently suggesting Intel as the CPU, and it's not because they're biased.

Even before the price cuts AMD CPUs when OCed were and still are very competitive for gaming. The reason hardware sites recommend only the Intel CPUs for gaming is from my perspective wrong. They base their recommendation on data taken from measurements not reflecting real life gaming.
When playing a game with a Mid/high-end GPU gamers will try to raise the IQ as high as possible. That means high ultra settings with AA/AF filters enabled. Most of DX-11 games will be GPU limited at 1080p and above with those settings and no matter if you have a Core i3 or Core i7 you will get the same performance from your GPU. Yes there are exceptions to that like BF3 MP and some DX-9 games like SC2 and Skyrim.

What im trying to communicate is that hardware sites and mostly Gamers should start to reevaluate the way they recommend CPUs for gaming. Just because a $200+ Core i5 2500K at 4.5GHz is faster than FX8150 at 4.7GHz in a few games at real life gaming settings that doesnt make every FX CPU not competitive against Intel.

Let me show you what i mean from Anandtechs IvyBridge 3770K review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/7

Are you seriously going to recommend a CPU for games taking data from 1024x768 medium settings for today's desktop gaming PCs ???
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Are you seriously going to recommend CPU for gaming from the fist graph or the second ??
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Are you going to recommend a faster CPU or a faster GPU from the HD5870 they used in the Review for the Metro 2033 ?? Is it better to spend more in the GPU than your CPU for that game ??? Taken the data from the first graph i would recommend buying the best CPU possible. But taken the data from the second graph i would recommend a faster GPU even with the Phenom II X4.
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Im not saying to only bench at high resolutions and high IQ settings, what im saying is bench both in order to see if the CPU bottlenecks the GPU at the settings we are going to actually play the game.

It is pointless to bench a game at 1024x768 and recommend a CPU taken that data when the game will be GPU limited at the actual IQ and resolution you going to play it. ;)
 

Mallibu

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^ Bulldozer's 40 fps in Starcraft 2 at 1024*768, will become 60 at 1080p! :thumbsup: oh wait
 

Black96ws6

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That's fine for mid-level GPUs and non-cpu-intensive games.

But for high-end GPU setups such as SLI\Crossfire\etc, and\or games that stress the CPU more (think large multiplayer maps in BF3 or Civ5), you really want an Intel CPU, at least the way things are currently in 2012 :)
 

dguy6789

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All this thread needed was the first reply to say yes /thread. Why is it three pages long?
 

Destiny

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AMD FX Bulldozer is NOT bad... it is just that there are better options out there...

I had a AMD Phenom II x4 965 that I had as a gaming PC, encoding, video editing, etc for a year - it did everything well and I thought it was the great... until I got an i5-2550k and noticed that there is such a thing as better!:D

but keep in mind having more FPS and more powerful CPU is not going to make you better in games...

the Bulldozer is good for gaming... but for the money, there are better options out there...
 

formulav8

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BD is perfectly fine for gaming. People here are mainly nutcase zealets who think you have to have 300 fps to be playtable. The only thing is, that for gaming, at BD's current price, there are better bang for the buck options. BD will do every stinking thing the other cpu's will do. Slower here, faster there or whatever. But it will still do everything even 9x% people here would need a cpu to do.
 

Don Karnage

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BD is perfectly fine for gaming. People here are mainly nutcase zealets who think you have to have 300 fps to be playtable. The only thing is, that for gaming, at BD's current price, there are better bang for the buck options. BD will do every stinking thing the other cpu's will do. Slower here, faster there or whatever. But it will still do everything even 9x% people here would need a cpu to do.

Agreed especially with the FX 8120 going for 175 dollars on newegg. It's not Ivy Fast but it's not THAT bad.
 

Hypertag

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BD is perfectly fine for gaming. People here are mainly nutcase zealets who think you have to have 300 fps to be playtable. The only thing is, that for gaming, at BD's current price, there are better bang for the buck options. BD will do every stinking thing the other cpu's will do. Slower here, faster there or whatever. But it will still do everything even 9x% people here would need a cpu to do.

This is perfectly fine everybody

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Makaveli

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This is perfectly fine everybody

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lol nice try choosing the gpu limited bench there.

The cherry picking field is that way--->

P.s if you look at the minimum frames which do you think will provide a smoother gaming experience?
 
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Brownman2

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SC2 is very CPU dependent and is optimized for Intel. SC2 was programmed in a way that doesn't take advantage of AMD's extra cores, which is why even the fastest Bulldozer compares so poorly to even an i5 2500k. A BD will run demanding games like BF3 at 1440x900 with at least a 460GTX at medium settings, which is fine for most people, especially since on a strict budget an $80 savings over intel is better spent on GPU upgrade, but if building a new system over $800, there isn't a reason to not pay more for Intel.
 

bononos

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SC2 is very CPU dependent and is optimized for Intel. SC2 was programmed in a way that doesn't take advantage of AMD's extra cores, which is why even the fastest Bulldozer compares so poorly to even an i5 2500k. A BD will run demanding games like BF3 at 1440x900 with at least a 460GTX at medium settings, which is fine for most people, especially since on a strict budget an $80 savings over intel is better spent on GPU upgrade, but if building a new system over $800, there isn't a reason to not pay more for Intel.

What do you base your assertion on? Do you have a link to Activision/Blizzard/Intel that says so?
 

Leyawiin

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Everyone's getting a little carried away here. Its like saying a stock V6 Mustang sucks on a curvy mountain road. No, its fine on a curvy mountain road. Fun even. Doesn't mean a V8 Cobra isn't better in every respect. Still, both get the job done.

Bulldozer is fine for gaming, SB/IB are better. Most people want better.