Is 3 shot burst considered automatic?

[FP]

In other words, if full autos are illegal does that include a rifle that has a 3-shot burst setting?

 

[looker001]

I would consider that to be semi-automatic.

edit: I might be wrong...just google and it looks like burst of 3 is being called automatic

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

I have to ask: Why? M16s aren't sold to the general public - only AR-15s, which are semi-auto. And if you modify a gun (eg AK47 to full auto), that is very illegal. In any case, I think 3-round burst is considered full auto since it's not semi-auto (the law doesn't tend to deal with such gray areas).

 

[nakedfrog]

The three shot burst mode on an M16 is the semi-auto setting.

 

[Amused]

3 shot burst is legally full-auto.

Semi auto is ONLY one trigger pull per round fired. Any more than one round fired per pull is considered automatic and you must get a class 3 license to own one.

 

[RgrPark]

let me clarify.

semi-auto means when you pull the trigger it fires one shot. you can shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger.

full-auto means the weapon will keep firing as long as you hold the trigger down. example: a machinegun.

A 3-round burst is exactly that, a three round burst. It shoots 3 rounds per a fully pulled trigger. You can still tap the trigger lightly and not fire all 3 rounds.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: RgrPark
let me clarify.

semi-auto means when you pull the trigger it fires one shot. you can shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger.

full-auto means the weapon will keep firing as long as you hold the trigger down. example: a machinegun.

A 3-round burst is exactly that, a three round burst. It shoots 3 rounds per a fully pulled trigger. You can still tap the trigger lightly and not fire all 3 rounds.

Right. But any weapon that fires more than one round per trigger pull is considered by the feds to be automatic, not semi.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The three shot burst mode on an M16 is the semi-auto setting.

I'm fairly sure that the M16 has a semi-auto setting and 3-round-burst setting, separately. It's not full auto, after all.

Edit: After researching a bit more, we're both right; the M16A3 was full auto while the others had 3-round-burst mode.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The three shot burst mode on an M16 is the semi-auto setting.

I'm fairly sure that the M16 has a semi-auto setting and 3-round-burst setting, separately. It's not full auto, after all.

This would be correct.

But for legal purposes, any weapon with select fire is considered fully auto, even if it is only a burst.

 

[Away]

Most have three selections. Semi, burst, and full. Burst and full are considered automatic in the eyes of the law. A good example of this would be an MP5.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Away
Most have three selections. Semi, burst, and full. Burst and full are considered automatic in the eyes of the law. A good example of this would be an MP5.

Commonly refered to as "select fire."

 

[RgrPark]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: RgrPark
let me clarify.

semi-auto means when you pull the trigger it fires one shot. you can shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger.

full-auto means the weapon will keep firing as long as you hold the trigger down. example: a machinegun.

A 3-round burst is exactly that, a three round burst. It shoots 3 rounds per a fully pulled trigger. You can still tap the trigger lightly and not fire all 3 rounds.

Right. But any weapon that fires more than one round per trigger pull is considered by the feds to be automatic, not semi.

I admit I have no idea on how the Feds view this issue. I'll take your word for it.

 

[jacob0401]

Originally posted by: FP
In other words, if full autos are illegal does that include a rifle that has a 3-shot burst setting?

By the way full autos are NOT illegal. There are just many rules and the cost is high, but full auto weapons are attainable if you qualify, are willing to go through the process and spend the money.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: jacob0401

Originally posted by: FP
In other words, if full autos are illegal does that include a rifle that has a 3-shot burst setting?

By the way full autos are NOT illegal. There are just many rules and the cost is high, but full auto weapons are attainable if you qualify, are willing to go through the process and spend the money.

Yup. It's completely legal to own a machine gun as long as you have the right permit. And you usually have to go to a special range to fire it, so it's kind of a hassle.

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: jacob0401

Originally posted by: FP
In other words, if full autos are illegal does that include a rifle that has a 3-shot burst setting?

By the way full autos are NOT illegal. There are just many rules and the cost is high, but full auto weapons are attainable if you qualify, are willing to go through the process and spend the money.

Link? I thought federal law prohibits automatic weapons outside of law enforcement and the military.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152

Originally posted by: jacob0401

Originally posted by: FP
In other words, if full autos are illegal does that include a rifle that has a 3-shot burst setting?

By the way full autos are NOT illegal. There are just many rules and the cost is high, but full auto weapons are attainable if you qualify, are willing to go through the process and spend the money.

Link? I thought federal law prohibits automatic weapons outside of law enforcement and the military.

Nope. Individuals can get a class 3 license and own fully auto weapons. But the red tape and cost is ridiculous.

edit, I was partially wrong:

It is a common misconception[citation needed] that an individual must have a "Class 3 License" in order to own NFA weapons. This is not the case. One must only have a Class 3 license (more properly known as an 03 SOT) to buy and sell NFA weapons as a business. Individual owners do not need any license under the NFA to buy Title II weapons. The purchase and sale of NFA weapons is, however, heavily taxed and regulated, as follows.

All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain permission from the ATF, obtain a signature from the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and finger prints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax. The request to transfer ownership of an NFA item is made on an ATF Form 4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152

Originally posted by: jacob0401

Originally posted by: FP
In other words, if full autos are illegal does that include a rifle that has a 3-shot burst setting?

By the way full autos are NOT illegal. There are just many rules and the cost is high, but full auto weapons are attainable if you qualify, are willing to go through the process and spend the money.

Link? I thought federal law prohibits automatic weapons outside of law enforcement and the military.

Nope. Individuals can get a class 3 license and own fully auto weapons. But the red tape and cost is ridiculous.

edit, I was partially wrong:

It is a common misconception[citation needed] that an individual must have a "Class 3 License" in order to own NFA weapons. This is not the case. One must only have a Class 3 license (more properly known as an 03 SOT) to buy and sell NFA weapons as a business. Individual owners do not need any license under the NFA to buy Title II weapons. The purchase and sale of NFA weapons is, however, heavily taxed and regulated, as follows.

All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain permission from the ATF, obtain a signature from the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and finger prints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax. The request to transfer ownership of an NFA item is made on an ATF Form 4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Ah, good stuff... :thumbsup:

 

[theblackbox]

why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

 

[DayLaPaul]

I'd just like to point out that "automatic weapon" is a term used by the liberal media to sensationalize gun imagery. Unless you're dealing with a single shot, pump or bolt action, almost every gun out there is some kind of automatic, be it semi-automatic, fully-automatic or burst fire.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
I'd just like to point out that "automatic weapon" is a term used by the liberal media to sensationalize gun imagery. Unless you're dealing with a single shot, pump or bolt action, almost every gun out there is some kind of automatic, be it semi-automatic, fully-automatic or burst fire.

umm. autmatic refers to the action. a semi-automatic is just that. when you pull the trigger, it fires once. in order to fire again, you must pull the trigger again. in a semi automatic, the round is ejected and the next round is chambered, but not fired.
In an automatic, when you pull the trigger, the round is fired and as long as you hold the trigger the next round is fired.
the term automatic is a lazy rendering of full automatic, meaning the action is fully automatic. In your terms, you are semi right, as the action on both is the same, the difference between a semi automatic and a fully automatic is the trigger pull.

since you mention pump, you are bringing shotguns into the mix. an automatic shotgun is not truly an automatic by the same standards, it is an auto-loader. There are very few Fully automatic shotguns.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
I'd just like to point out that "automatic weapon" is a term used by the liberal media to sensationalize gun imagery. Unless you're dealing with a single shot, pump or bolt action, almost every gun out there is some kind of automatic, be it semi-automatic, fully-automatic or burst fire.

The misused phrase is "assault weapon."

 

[tranceport]

Just so you guys know..

The ATF will charge you $200 for stamp that allows you to own a type 2 firearm. This includes full automatic weapons made before 1986, noise supressors, and other misc items of this nature. I have a few friends with full auto weapons and I also have a friend with a noise suppressor for his ar15.

Getting the tax stamp just involves some paperwork and some money. It is also true that most of the fully automatic weapons such as a m16 or a mg42 are pretty costly. I have seen m16a1 for $10,000. I have seen mg42's for $40,000


Here is an auction link to a mg42. This is a WW2 era fully automatic machine gun. http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti...tem.asp?Item=117123644
Here is an auction link to a m16-a1. If you look at the 3rd picture you will see m16a1's have only 3 selections. Safe, Semi, Auto. (s1a) http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti...tem.asp?Item=117106563

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The three shot burst mode on an M16 is the semi-auto setting.

Nope. No such setting on an M16, unless it's modded. It's either semi or three round burst.

 

[spidey07]

As already pointed out fully automatic isn't illegal as long as you follow the appropriate laws and get your stamp. You go to a dealer or machine gun show, fill out the paper work, the dealer hands you your new toy but keeps the receiver until it's OK to release it to you - around 30 days.

I can even put parts into mine to make it full auto as long as my buddy is with me at the range.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Amused
3 shot burst is legally full-auto.

Semi auto is ONLY one trigger pull per round fired. Any more than one round fired per pull is considered automatic and you must get a class 3 license to own one.

This is correct.