Is 3 shot burst considered automatic?

[Nebor]

Geez, even just a year ago I was the guy that had to bring all the right info to these threads. But my disciples have gone forth and spread the word of Gun! It's a glorious sight: a whole thread full of good NFA info on ATOT.

 

[everman]

I wonder how many atoters are Arfcommers. I would be if I didn't lose all of my guns in a tragic boating accident.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: everman
I wonder how many atoters are Arfcommers. I would be if I didn't lose all of my guns in a tragic boating accident.

lulz I am, but don't really post there that often. Threads in general discussion disappear to quickly.

 

[theblackbox]

not me, while talking about guns is nice, i'd prefer to have a variety.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
not me, while talking about guns is nice, i'd prefer to have a variety.

They have an off topic forum (general discussion) which is very similar to this one.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Bulk Beef

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: TehMac

Nope. No such setting on an M16, unless it's modded. It's either semi or three round burst.

Wrong

Nope, I'm right. Now kindly piss off.


P.S. I was referring to the most current M16 in action, the A4.

You are very wrong.

Actually, he's correct.

The ONLY fully auto M16 version besides the A1 was the A3 and it was VERY limited. So limited, I never saw an A3 when I was in the army.

The A2 and A4 models are semi and 3 round burst only.

some good info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle#M16A2

Actually, he is still wrong. When I first quoted him there was no mention of the A4 model. There are unmodded M16's that fire full auto, so he is wrong. Simple as that. I can guarantee you that there are still A1's in service somewhere around the world as well.

Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: theblackbox
not me, while talking about guns is nice, i'd prefer to have a variety.

They have an off topic forum (general discussion) which is very similar to this one.

oh, hehe.. i didn't think about that. I couldn't imagine going to another forum, having been here longer then forever.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Amused

Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

I don't know why you are telling me stuff that I know. The first post is still wrong He never mentioned anything about military service, or United States service, or the A4 variant. Hell, there are plenty of civilian owned M16s that are both in their original state and also fire on automatic.

Nope. No such setting on an M16, unless it's modded. It's either semi or three round burst."

 

[Gothgar]

fully

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

You pick it up from Aimsurplus? I got just a regular mosin in almost brand new condition from them for like $70.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

I don't know why you are telling me stuff that I know. The first post is still wrong He never mentioned anything about military service, or United States service, or the A4 variant. Hell, there are plenty of civilian owned M16s that are both in their original state and also fire on automatic.

Nope. No such setting on an M16, unless it's modded. It's either semi or three round burst."

For all practical purposes he is correct, though. The A2 and A4s are the only things service members see anymore.

Yes, fully auto M16s exist, but they are rare and not in service.

I was just being pragmatic here.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

You pick it up from Aimsurplus? I got just a regular mosin in almost brand new condition from them for like $70.

http://www.ClassicArms.us

 

[DayLaPaul]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
I'd just like to point out that "automatic weapon" is a term used by the liberal media to sensationalize gun imagery. Unless you're dealing with a single shot, pump or bolt action, almost every gun out there is some kind of automatic, be it semi-automatic, fully-automatic or burst fire.

umm. autmatic refers to the action. a semi-automatic is just that. when you pull the trigger, it fires once. in order to fire again, you must pull the trigger again. in a semi automatic, the round is ejected and the next round is chambered, but not fired.
In an automatic, when you pull the trigger, the round is fired and as long as you hold the trigger the next round is fired.
the term automatic is a lazy rendering of full automatic, meaning the action is fully automatic. In your terms, you are semi right, as the action on both is the same, the difference between a semi automatic and a fully automatic is the trigger pull.

since you mention pump, you are bringing shotguns into the mix. an automatic shotgun is not truly an automatic by the same standards, it is an auto-loader. There are very few Fully automatic shotguns.

My point is that the media has made the term "automatic weapon" synonymous with fully-automatic weapon, when, as I pointed out, most weapons are automatic. Therefore, when they report a crime as having an "automatic weapon" involved, people reading the report assume, often incorrectly, that a fully-automatic weapon was involved.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

That late? Wow, did you train infantry or other? I know the dipshits I trained with at Benning were damn hard on their weapons. I couldn't imagine the A1s lasting that long at Benning.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Amused

For all practical purposes he is correct, though. The A2 and A4s are the only things service members see anymore.

Yes, fully auto M16s exist, but they are rare and not in service.

I was just being pragmatic here.

I was using straight logic

Originally posted by: BoberFett

http://www.ClassicArms.us

Ah, k. I've browsed that site before. I'm really looking to find an ok price on a decent AK these days and cant find squat. Used to get a cheap WASR-10 for $300, now I can't find anything under $600

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

For all practical purposes he is correct, though. The A2 and A4s are the only things service members see anymore.

Yes, fully auto M16s exist, but they are rare and not in service.

I was just being pragmatic here.

I was using straight logic

You were being technically correct, but not practically correct.

 

[JJ650]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

I think I have to throw in my personal fav for bolt... M1903 A3 Springfield. I love this rifle. I like my m48, but I am liking the A3 a lot better. I guess I like it more cause I can use the ammo in the Garand also (Winchester Garand to boot ). The M48 is nice, don't get me wrong, I just enjoy the A3 a bit more as a shooter.

 

[SuperjetMatt]

Originally posted by: FP
In other words, if full autos are illegal does that include a rifle that has a 3-shot burst setting?

That would be automatic.

 

[AkumaX]

i think the glock's 3 shot burst doesn't justify having T's start out with such a crappy weapon. the usp that CT's get is way wayyy more effective, usually forcing T's to upfront $$$ for a deagle or something to compete, wheras a low-funded CT could survive with the usp no problem.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: theblackbox
not me, while talking about guns is nice, i'd prefer to have a variety.

They have an off topic forum (general discussion) which is very similar to this one.

oh, hehe.. i didn't think about that. I couldn't imagine going to another forum, having been here longer then forever.

Don't bother, it is so politically correct anymore to protect their precious sponsors you will be banned for no apparent reason, and their mods are generally completely mentally challenged (82ndAbn). The only thing worthwhile on arfcom is the equipment exchange and sometimes the hometown forums.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Don't bother, it is so politically correct anymore to protect their precious sponsors you will be banned for no apparent reason, and their mods are generally completely mentally challenged (82ndAbn). The only thing worthwhile on arfcom is the equipment exchange and sometimes the hometown forums.

Ah, bummer. I only really visited that site often when I was in Afghanistan because this site was blocked

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: AkumaX
i think the glock's 3 shot burst doesn't justify having T's start out with such a crappy weapon. the usp that CT's get is way wayyy more effective, usually forcing T's to upfront $$$ for a deagle or something to compete, wheras a low-funded CT could survive with the usp no problem.

are you talking about counterstrike? i wasn't aware that glock made a three shot burst. all of glocks pistols are full on or not.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: theblackbox
not me, while talking about guns is nice, i'd prefer to have a variety.

They have an off topic forum (general discussion) which is very similar to this one.

oh, hehe.. i didn't think about that. I couldn't imagine going to another forum, having been here longer then forever.

Don't bother, it is so politically correct anymore to protect their precious sponsors you will be banned for no apparent reason, and their mods are generally completely mentally challenged (82ndAbn). The only thing worthwhile on arfcom is the equipment exchange and sometimes the hometown forums.

not everybody associated with or attached to the 82nd is mentally challeneged. although i do know a lot of chaps that resemble that remark.