Is 3 shot burst considered automatic?

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

I think I have to throw in my personal fav for bolt... M1903 A3 Springfield. I love this rifle. I like my m48, but I am liking the A3 a lot better. I guess I like it more cause I can use the ammo in the Garand also (Winchester Garand to boot ). The M48 is nice, don't get me wrong, I just enjoy the A3 a bit more as a shooter.

M48's are nice because you can get them in really good condition but I like the German K98k more. The only thing I do not like about the K98k compared to the M48 is that the bolt is longer in the K98k. The Springfields are really nice, they have a Mauser action and feel but the later models have a rear peep sight (plus windage adjustments). I don't like the Mosin action much though, it feels clunky to me, especially the safety and I hate straight bolts. The Enfield is a really slick action, short bolt and cock on close. Only problem is finding cheap .303 ammo. I used up the South African surplus that I found at my last range. Plus the rimmed cartridge in the Enfield is annoying since you have to careful about how you load the magazine and stripper clips.

 

[bob4432]

so nice to have a gun thread w/out the antis coming in and shitting on everything, and good knowledge is being passed around

 

[JJ650]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

I think I have to throw in my personal fav for bolt... M1903 A3 Springfield. I love this rifle. I like my m48, but I am liking the A3 a lot better. I guess I like it more cause I can use the ammo in the Garand also (Winchester Garand to boot ). The M48 is nice, don't get me wrong, I just enjoy the A3 a bit more as a shooter.

M48's are nice because you can get them in really good condition but I like the German K98k more. The only thing I do not like about the K98k compared to the M48 is that the bolt is longer in the K98k. The Springfields are really nice, they have a Mauser action and feel but the later models have a rear peep sight (plus windage adjustments). I don't like the Mosin action much though, it feels clunky to me, especially the safety and I hate straight bolts. The Enfield is a really slick action, short bolt and cock on close. Only problem is finding cheap .303 ammo. I used up the South African surplus that I found at my last range. Plus the rimmed cartridge in the Enfield is annoying since you have to careful about how you load the magazine and stripper clips.

Have you these the online dealers?

www.Ammunitiontogo.com
www.sportsmansguide.com
www.cheaperthandirt.com
www.garandammo.com (they have some oddball ammo)

I know I have seen surplus .303 somewhere on one of these sites.

I have been having a heck of a time finding a decent deal (compared to ammo prices 3 or 4 yrs ago) on 7.62x51 (.308) for the M1A and Remington Mohawk 600.
I have found plenty of .30 for the carbine and 30-06 at decent prices but not much on the
other stuff.
7.62x39 is still cheap and plentiful. Easy to find spam cans of ammo but is non-reloadable.
7.62x25 Tok (for CZ-52 pistol) is plentiful. Bulk mil spec ammo is plentiful but most is corrosive. I did get a Norinco 1200 rnd can for $115 last week. Decent non-corrosive stuff.
.223 is getting more expensive but plenty to be found. Stay away from the Indian manufactured ammo. It's crap.
30-06 is still around. I just purchased a 300 rnd can USGI surplus from '69. There is plenty of the greek ammo which is good plinking ammo and reloadable. Not Berdan primed.
If you can find the Spanish or Australian stuff, you're doing good.
.308 like I said is getting to be a $1 per round. Save your brass if you shoot this.
7.62x54 is as plentiful as the rest of the russian type ammo. Most is non-reloadable however.
8mm Mauser is getting expensive too. Bought 100rnd for $73. Sellier & Bellot brand. Not much surplus left for this rifle.
My M48 is real picky about what it shoots. I think I have a headspace issue. Some ammos (remington brand 8mm) tends to give me loading problems
If you can afford it and want the reloadable stuff, try to find Sellier & Bellot, or prvi partizan ammo. Great stuff.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

I think I have to throw in my personal fav for bolt... M1903 A3 Springfield. I love this rifle. I like my m48, but I am liking the A3 a lot better. I guess I like it more cause I can use the ammo in the Garand also (Winchester Garand to boot ). The M48 is nice, don't get me wrong, I just enjoy the A3 a bit more as a shooter.

M48's are nice because you can get them in really good condition but I like the German K98k more. The only thing I do not like about the K98k compared to the M48 is that the bolt is longer in the K98k. The Springfields are really nice, they have a Mauser action and feel but the later models have a rear peep sight (plus windage adjustments). I don't like the Mosin action much though, it feels clunky to me, especially the safety and I hate straight bolts. The Enfield is a really slick action, short bolt and cock on close. Only problem is finding cheap .303 ammo. I used up the South African surplus that I found at my last range. Plus the rimmed cartridge in the Enfield is annoying since you have to careful about how you load the magazine and stripper clips.

Have you these the online dealers?

www.Ammunitiontogo.com
www.sportsmansguide.com
www.cheaperthandirt.com
www.garandammo.com (they have some oddball ammo)

I know I have seen surplus .303 somewhere on one of these sites.

I have been having a heck of a time finding a decent deal (compared to ammo prices 3 or 4 yrs ago) on 7.62x51 (.308) for the M1A and Remington Mohawk 600.
I have found plenty of .30 for the carbine and 30-06 at decent prices but not much on the
other stuff.
7.62x39 is still cheap and plentiful. Easy to find spam cans of ammo but is non-reloadable.
7.62x25 Tok (for CZ-52 pistol) is plentiful. Bulk mil spec ammo is plentiful but most is corrosive. I did get a Norinco 1200 rnd can for $115 last week. Decent non-corrosive stuff.
.223 is getting more expensive but plenty to be found. Stay away from the Indian manufactured ammo. It's crap.
30-06 is still around. I just purchased a 300 rnd can USGI surplus from '69. There is plenty of the greek ammo which is good plinking ammo and reloadable. Not Berdan primed.
If you can find the Spanish or Australian stuff, you're doing good.
.308 like I said is getting to be a $1 per round. Save your brass if you shoot this.
7.62x54 is as plentiful as the rest of the russian type ammo. Most is non-reloadable however.
If you can afford it and want the reloadable stuff, try to find Sellier & Bellot, or prvi partizan ammo. Great stuff.

I haven't bought ammo in a long time and I'm no longer in the US so I won't be ammo shopping for a while now. The last 30-06 I bought was a case of the Lake City '69 or '68 stuff from CMP and that stuff shot just fine. I really like the 8mm Mauser cartridge since it was so easy to get decent cheap milsurp a while ago ($4 for a 70 bandalier, yes please). I still have maybe 700 or so rounds of the Turk. There was an outfit in Arizona I think that I ordered my Turk and German 8 mm ammo from. The German ammo was late 1930's and it was in great condition. Can't remember the name of the website but it doesn't matter since the supplies all dried up. So nowadays I think that the 7.62x54r is probably going to be the best milsurp deal since most of the cheap 8mm and .303 have dried up.

 

[K1052]

Pretty much the only .303 British surplus you run into these days is the Pakistani made stuff which is iffy to say the least. God I miss the South African ammo. Bright, reliable, and cheap. I'm still hoarding my last 6 boxes of it.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Don't bother, it is so politically correct anymore to protect their precious sponsors you will be banned for no apparent reason, and their mods are generally completely mentally challenged (82ndAbn). The only thing worthwhile on arfcom is the equipment exchange and sometimes the hometown forums.

Ah, bummer. I only really visited that site often when I was in Afghanistan because this site was blocked

<-- Stopped by ATOT while overseas, didnt you guys ever hear of proxify?

 

[JJ650]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Personally I like Mosin's as old bolt actions go. I Just picked up a 91/30 sniper, beautiful weapon. Mostly original (everything is stamped the same serial but the magazine floorplate and the bayonet, it looks like it was re-arsenaled during the war) but it's a repro scope sadly. Fully original snipers are hard to find.

I think I have to throw in my personal fav for bolt... M1903 A3 Springfield. I love this rifle. I like my m48, but I am liking the A3 a lot better. I guess I like it more cause I can use the ammo in the Garand also (Winchester Garand to boot ). The M48 is nice, don't get me wrong, I just enjoy the A3 a bit more as a shooter.

M48's are nice because you can get them in really good condition but I like the German K98k more. The only thing I do not like about the K98k compared to the M48 is that the bolt is longer in the K98k. The Springfields are really nice, they have a Mauser action and feel but the later models have a rear peep sight (plus windage adjustments). I don't like the Mosin action much though, it feels clunky to me, especially the safety and I hate straight bolts. The Enfield is a really slick action, short bolt and cock on close. Only problem is finding cheap .303 ammo. I used up the South African surplus that I found at my last range. Plus the rimmed cartridge in the Enfield is annoying since you have to careful about how you load the magazine and stripper clips.

Have you these the online dealers?

www.Ammunitiontogo.com
www.sportsmansguide.com
www.cheaperthandirt.com
www.garandammo.com (they have some oddball ammo)

I know I have seen surplus .303 somewhere on one of these sites.

I have been having a heck of a time finding a decent deal (compared to ammo prices 3 or 4 yrs ago) on 7.62x51 (.308) for the M1A and Remington Mohawk 600.
I have found plenty of .30 for the carbine and 30-06 at decent prices but not much on the
other stuff.
7.62x39 is still cheap and plentiful. Easy to find spam cans of ammo but is non-reloadable.
7.62x25 Tok (for CZ-52 pistol) is plentiful. Bulk mil spec ammo is plentiful but most is corrosive. I did get a Norinco 1200 rnd can for $115 last week. Decent non-corrosive stuff.
.223 is getting more expensive but plenty to be found. Stay away from the Indian manufactured ammo. It's crap.
30-06 is still around. I just purchased a 300 rnd can USGI surplus from '69. There is plenty of the greek ammo which is good plinking ammo and reloadable. Not Berdan primed.
If you can find the Spanish or Australian stuff, you're doing good.
.308 like I said is getting to be a $1 per round. Save your brass if you shoot this.
7.62x54 is as plentiful as the rest of the russian type ammo. Most is non-reloadable however.
If you can afford it and want the reloadable stuff, try to find Sellier & Bellot, or prvi partizan ammo. Great stuff.

I haven't bought ammo in a long time and I'm no longer in the US so I won't be ammo shopping for a while now. The last 30-06 I bought was a case of the Lake City '69 or '68 stuff from CMP and that stuff shot just fine. I really like the 8mm Mauser cartridge since it was so easy to get decent cheap milsurp a while ago ($4 for a 70 bandalier, yes please). I still have maybe 700 or so rounds of the Turk. There was an outfit in Arizona I think that I ordered my Turk and German 8 mm ammo from. The German ammo was late 1930's and it was in great condition. Can't remember the name of the website but it doesn't matter since the supplies all dried up. So nowadays I think that the 7.62x54r is probably going to be the best milsurp deal since most of the cheap 8mm and .303 have dried up.

I hear ya. If you do happen to recall where you found the 8mm, please let me know. I really don't want to resort to the corrosive stuff.
The bandoliers now go for about $40 now. The good deals are long gone.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The three shot burst mode on an M16 is the semi-auto setting.

Um, no, it's not. There are three positions on the M16A3's selector switch: Safe, Semi, and Auto. Auto is 3 round bursts. That (among other things) is one difference between the A2 and the A3. The M16A2 was full rock & roll when the selector is on Auto.


Edit: I may have my versions mixed up. It may be the A3 and A4. I may not remember correctly, but I do know when I got out in 1999, our newer M16's had safe, burst (labeled as auto" and semi". I thought they were A3's, I may be mistaken. The previous models were full safe, full auto, and semi.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want a weapon with a three round burst. the m16/m4 suck as a select fire weapon. the mp5 is only useful if you plan on fighting in close quarters in a urban situation. stick with something that works, like an old lee enfield 303, like the 1897 model. over 100 years old and still one of the best rifles as long as you can find the rounds to fire through it.

Suuuuure. I'm going to trust somebody on ATOT over my father who was an infantry officer for 5 years.

Full auto is fine for having people keep their heads down but good luck actually hitting what you're shooting at with any hand held weapon. It will jump around too much and over any appreciable distance the chance of actually hitting what you're aiming at is pretty low. The whole idea behind shooting in bursts is to re-aim after each burst.

To just lay down fire their are other better weapons. The M50 comes to mind.

So, he never made it past a Lieutenant then. Sorry, but 5 years in the Infantry doesn't mean squat.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The three shot burst mode on an M16 is the semi-auto setting.

Um, no, it's not. There are three positions on the M16A3's selector switch: Safe, Semi, and Auto. Auto is 3 round bursts. That (among other things) is one difference between the A2 and the A3. The M16A2 was full rock & roll when the selector is on Auto.

A2 is burst, A3 is full.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

That late? Wow, did you train infantry or other? I know the dipshits I trained with at Benning were damn hard on their weapons. I couldn't imagine the A1s lasting that long at Benning.

Arty, Ft. Still, OK.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

That late? Wow, did you train infantry or other? I know the dipshits I trained with at Benning were damn hard on their weapons. I couldn't imagine the A1s lasting that long at Benning.

Arty, Ft. Still, OK.

13E & 13B hooah!

I was an artillery officer for 15 years. M109, M110 and MLRS. Let's talk about REAL guns now!

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: JJ650

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

I haven't bought ammo in a long time and I'm no longer in the US so I won't be ammo shopping for a while now. The last 30-06 I bought was a case of the Lake City '69 or '68 stuff from CMP and that stuff shot just fine. I really like the 8mm Mauser cartridge since it was so easy to get decent cheap milsurp a while ago ($4 for a 70 bandalier, yes please). I still have maybe 700 or so rounds of the Turk. There was an outfit in Arizona I think that I ordered my Turk and German 8 mm ammo from. The German ammo was late 1930's and it was in great condition. Can't remember the name of the website but it doesn't matter since the supplies all dried up. So nowadays I think that the 7.62x54r is probably going to be the best milsurp deal since most of the cheap 8mm and .303 have dried up.

I hear ya. If you do happen to recall where you found the 8mm, please let me know. I really don't want to resort to the corrosive stuff.
The bandoliers now go for about $40 now. The good deals are long gone.

I figured it out, it was J&G Sales: http://www.jgsales.com/index.php
Of course they don't have the Turk 8mm (which was corrosive anyway) any more but they have the Yugo 8mm. I don't know about if the prices are still good or not.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

That late? Wow, did you train infantry or other? I know the dipshits I trained with at Benning were damn hard on their weapons. I couldn't imagine the A1s lasting that long at Benning.

Arty, Ft. Still, OK.

13E & 13B hooah!

I was an artillery officer for 15 years. M109, M110 and MLRS. Let's talk about REAL guns now!

I was a 13F. The video they showed me at the MEPS sure was cool looking. They left out the part about humping for miles with a heavy ass PRC strapped to my back. LOL

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

That late? Wow, did you train infantry or other? I know the dipshits I trained with at Benning were damn hard on their weapons. I couldn't imagine the A1s lasting that long at Benning.

Arty, Ft. Still, OK.

13E & 13B hooah!

I was an artillery officer for 15 years. M109, M110 and MLRS. Let's talk about REAL guns now!

I was a 13F. The video they showed me at the MEPS sure was cool looking. They left out the part about humping for miles with a heavy ass PRC strapped to my back. LOL

hehe. i thought 96f was all about fame, fortune, but all i got to do was carry a friggin speaker on my back and make a lot of noise. i feel for ya.

 

[TallBill]

95b, or 31b MP I'll lock all of your asses up.

Joining ROTC in about 6 months to go back in.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: jemcam

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

That late? Wow, did you train infantry or other? I know the dipshits I trained with at Benning were damn hard on their weapons. I couldn't imagine the A1s lasting that long at Benning.

Arty, Ft. Still, OK.

13E & 13B hooah!

I was an artillery officer for 15 years. M109, M110 and MLRS. Let's talk about REAL guns now!

I was a 13F. The video they showed me at the MEPS sure was cool looking. They left out the part about humping for miles with a heavy ass PRC strapped to my back. LOL

I was an FO for a while early in my Officer career. It was the second best job I ever had in the Army.

 

[ajskydiver]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused
Old A1s were used for basic training only back in the 80s. They have long been phased out as they wore out and now trainees use old A2s. The last A1s were manufactured in the early 80s. Duty weapons just don't last that long. Especially if parts are no longer manufactured at reasonable prices.

For all intents and purposes, the M16 used by all US troups and still manufactured today are select fire: Safe-semi-3 Round Burst.

The armed forces found the 3 round burst to be far more effective than fully auto. And from my experience with weapons, I agree with them.

Actually the A1s were still in use in basic training in the 90s as well. That's what I trained with in 92. The A2 was current issue at that time.

The rest is correct.

That late? Wow, did you train infantry or other? I know the dipshits I trained with at Benning were damn hard on their weapons. I couldn't imagine the A1s lasting that long at Benning.

FWIW, I was in basic at Fort Jackson in '91 and also used the A1s.