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Originally posted by: Jmman
I noticed some people saying that these tanks were just damaged, but I found a link to the story........
"The two tanks saw tracers from behind them and were maneuvering to return fire when, within seconds of one another, each took hits from their rear and burst into flames. As ammunition exploded, the crewmen of Troop B scrambled to safety.
Officers at the scene described the tanks as ``catastrophic losses.''
Catastrophic losses doesn't sound like you could just repair the engine and drive the thing into battle.......
Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
most of those lost in the gulf war were destroyed by us, so the enemy did get them, out of fuel/ammo, stuck or broke down
Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
explosive reactive armor?
sorry but the M1A1 doesn't have it
Originally posted by: Jmman
These missiles are able to penetrate 3.9 feet of armor......very dangerous weapons indeed.....
The M1-A1 ammunition is stored in a compartment separate from the crew and is protected by a set of blastdoors. IIRC if the ammo compartment is breached the explosion is vented out through two hatches in the top of the turret, thus permitting the crew to escape.And being hit, bursting into flames and having ammunition explode inside the tank doesn't exactly lend itself to the crew being able to survive. But every member of the crew got out fine. So it makes you wonder about the accuracy of the story.
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: Jmman
These missiles are able to penetrate 3.9 feet of armor......very dangerous weapons indeed.....
I watched a show on the discovery channel and they were testing a shaped charge explosive. It was pretty neat, the charge was actually a disc of copper surrounded by explosives and contained in a steel shell with a hole in it. They placed the charge up to numerous steel plates to see how much it could penetrate. When the explosives fired, they compressed the copper disc and it extruded through the hole in the steel shell. This extrusion of aluminum, they said, it very abrasive and it cut through several steel plates with ease. They seperated the steel plates afterwards and showed the copper extrusion, it was a slug that just cut right through the steel. Pretty interesting how it worked.
Originally posted by: Marshallj
I hear so many different versions of what happened on the news I don't know what to believe. Every news service wants to be the first one to break the news, so the story is often inacurrate.
Originally posted by: Marshallj
I hear so many different versions of what happened on the news I don't know what to believe. Every news service wants to be the first one to break the news, so the story is often inacurrate.
The other day I'm watching the news and they said that 1,000 Iraqi tanks and vehicles were advancing towards US forces. By the end of the day, that story fizzled out into a limited number of troops moving around. I don't know what to believe.
Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: Marshallj
I hear so many different versions of what happened on the news I don't know what to believe. Every news service wants to be the first one to break the news, so the story is often inacurrate.
In other words, when a post is made that makes what you wrote look factually incorrect, it's because of different versions of the news. I get it.
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Can someone in the know please confirm when these "Kornet E's" were first produced and whether they were exported before the '91 UN arms embargo? I think this would be quite a critical point in the arguement.
Cheers,
Andy
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Can someone in the know please confirm when these "Kornet E's" were first produced and whether they were exported before the '91 UN arms embargo? I think this would be quite a critical point in the arguement.
Cheers,
Andy
This link says that the Kornet was first produced in 1994, and the "E" is the export version. So it was well after the arms embargo.
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Fair enough. If they sold it against the UN embargo then they deserve to get flak for it. Is it also possible though that it was sold to another nation - who then sold it to Iraq for an inflated price? Its a tangled web we weave...
Cheers,
Andy
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: Marshallj
I hear so many different versions of what happened on the news I don't know what to believe. Every news service wants to be the first one to break the news, so the story is often inacurrate.
In other words, when a post is made that makes what you wrote look factually incorrect, it's because of different versions of the news. I get it.
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