Iran tests short-range missiles amid nuclear tension

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: irishScott
Lol, you're partially right. He never said those words directly as it turns out. What he did say was: "Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10...f07fc5b7543417&ei=5070

That's not quite it either. the idiom "wiped off the map" doesn't even exist in Farsi.

Originally posted by: irishScott
Also, I wouldn't trust any site called antiwar.com to be impartial.

Sure, you trust the pro-war media who don't give you the quote in its original language along with a word by word literal translation, let alone any reasonable elaboration on the context, and don't have the motivation to look into it any deeper than that.

Originally posted by: irishScott
So the Israeli regime should be wiped off the map.

Rather, "vanish from the page of time", like Shah of Iran's regime, Soviet regime, and Saddam's regime all did.

Originally posted by: irishScott
That's like saying "you know you guys are all right, but your entire government structure, culture, you know the stuff that makes you who you are? That's got to go."

I think Israelis are more than the colonialist, bigoted, and murderous people their government has lead them to be, but I suppose that is just a difference in opinions.

Originally posted by: irishScott
...I don't trust fanatics with nukes.

But you do, you just pretend they aren't fanatics to make you feel better about it.

Sorry I can't read Farsi. Thus all I have to rely on are translations. Whom should I trust? A liberal fanboy quoting a liberal site on a tech forum, or the historically horrifically pro war New York Times :roll: . Hmmmm.

And "vanish from the page of time" is pretty much a softer version of "wiped off the map" IMO. Since you seem to be such an expert, look up that phrase's past usage and tell me what it means.

And your characterization of the Israelis and (apparently) the US government says loads about you. You're as bigoted as this Israeli government you so despise.

 

[FaaR]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
I never made any such claim, you delusional twit.

AAAHHHAAHHAA!

Continue to squirm, worm. You questioned my statement (which by definition means you disagreed with it), said it was illogical despite anyone with a brain understand that civilized countries are QUITE stable, and then chickened out on responding to the entirety of my post.

So you squirm some more, troll-boy. You've got nothing to say that's worth listening to anyway.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: irishScott
Sorry I can't read Farsi. Thus all I have to rely on are translations.

I don't read Farsi either, but I can do the research to find out what something in another languge says, regardless of what language it is, and that is what I did back when the quote came out.

Originally posted by: irishScott
Whom should I trust?

Think for yourself, question authority.

Originally posted by: irishScott
A liberal fanboy...

I'm no liberal. I'm a flat tax, second amendment loving, small government, libertarian.

Originally posted by: irishScott
...quoting a liberal site...

Not a liberal site either.

Originally posted by: irishScott
...or the historically horrifically pro war New York Times

Yeah, they put forward great arguments to keep us out of sham of a war against Iraq.

Originally posted by: irishScott
And "vanish from the page of time" is pretty much a softer version of "wiped off the map" IMO. Since you seem to be such an expert, look up that phrase's past usage and tell me what it means.

I did the research years ago, and provided the article on Antiwar here as it sums up my findings well. Is it that you need me to put it in a bottle and press it up to your lips?

Originally posted by: irishScott
And your characterization of the Israelis and (apparently) the US government says loads about you. You're as bigoted as this Israeli government you so despise.

As it seems agree that the Israeli government is bigoted, I'll skip over that to present records of the murder, and a map detailing the progress of the colonization, both from an Israeli human rights group. Now, how the hell did you delude yourself into branding me a bigot?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: kylebisme
I never made any such claim, you delusional twit.

AAAHHHAAHHAA!

Continue to squirm, worm. You questioned my statement (which by definition means you disagreed with it)...

I pointed out that you were stating a belief while calling it a fact. That does not constitute claiming the opposite, nor would I ever have any interest making any such prophetic claim either way. Is that just too much for you to wrap your head around?

 

[FaaR]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
I pointed out that you were stating a belief while calling it a fact. That does not constitute claiming the opposite, nor would I ever have any interest making any such prophetic claim either way. Is that just too much for you to wrap your head around?

Retcon.

It's not a "belief". It IS a fact. There isn't a single european country in modern times (nor can I think of any examples previously in history for that matter) that has disappeared spontaneously, or even short of military invasion; none of Israel's neighbors are military strong enough to succeed at such a venture, so why the funk are you arguing such a pointless and moot point?!?!?

You pick THIS to argue to pieces over - of all the things in my post? Kee-rist...

Belief schmelief. If you could point out some prior examples of nations just simply vanishing you might have a point, but so far you've seemingly carefully avoided anything of the sort. And before you say it, no, the USSR and BRD for example don't qualify.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Where do you see speeches in where Israeli leaders are insisting that Iran should be wiped off the map?

I doubt he has the problem of being a moron blinded by propaganda that you do.

Then what is Iran stating?

What is Israel stating against Iran?

Note: I do not need to go into gutter language because someone challenges my POV

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

They don't give a sheit about your chatter on any issues, their planned test launches will go as they have been planned, it's nothing strange with that what so ever for them.

They really don't give a shit about threats, they have been living with it for three decades and they are not more scared of your huffing and puffing now than they were 30 years ago.

Naturally this will escalate as opinion numbers require them to, after all, that is why US politicians go to war.

You really need to cut back on the drugs, it is damaging your brain.

Yeah, that is how you treat someone who has been on the first in two fucking sites YOU created.

Lemme guess, Iraq was a good war, not based on anything but truth and they are better off now, right?

Have you SEEN what has been done there? No? Well then go fuck yourself you stupid little twat.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Modelworks
You really need to cut back on the drugs, it is damaging your brain.

It's not drugs, it's military conditioned self-aggrandisement. Having grown up an Army brat, I can smell it from miles away.

"Having grown up" is such a fucking overstatement, you are a child with a retarded mind at best.

But it's nice to see a true christian and an Al Quaida defender having a love fest.

Good on ya.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Where do you see speeches in where Israeli leaders are insisting that Iran should be wiped off the map?

I doubt he has the problem of being a moron blinded by propaganda that you do.

Then what is Iran stating?

What is Israel stating against Iran?

Note: I do not need to go into gutter language because someone challenges my POV

They aren't stating anything, do you think they are concerned by what you think about it?

They have their test schedule (and you fucking know how this works) and they stay with it.

Iran is just a piss poor excuse of a nation filled with cowards who stood down when their time came, i'm not trying to make excuses for these slaves, nor do i pity them, i'm just saying that they as all other military have a schedule and that schedule is rarely changed.

 

[BassBomb]

Neither country benefits by having a nuke. Focusing on Iran is simply going to strengthen Israel.

They both should have no nukes.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Neither country benefits by having a nuke. Focusing on Iran is simply going to strengthen Israel.

They both should have no nukes.

:thumbsup:

 

[Lemon law]

Right now Israel can ignore all political realities, foreign hostilities, and do what ever it wants with impunity as long as they have the strongest military. And part of having that stronger military is making sure the military of surrounding states are kept weak. Which explains why Israel became so upset when the USA was willing to sell planes to our other best ally in the region in Saudi Arabia yo many years ago. And why they are so upset at the prospect of Iran acquiring any possible nuclear weapons capacity even though Israel, by various estimates has some where between 80 to 200 nukes now.

But the point being, the leadership of neither country has ambitions to kill off the entire populations of either country. And because they are fairly distant from each other, with buffer countries between, their land based armies are unlikely to ever meet.

All we know now is that Israel has a very high tech air force, and if anything Iran lags there. What we do not know is what missile capacity Iran has in terms of ground to air to air and ground to air Iran has to repel an Israeli attack. And any Israeli wing of planes has to sacrifice almost all self defense capacity just to carry the weight of bombs the distance to Iran. And Iranian planes would be operating on their own soil and can carry a maximum weight of air to air missiles while being able to use their afterburners at will, it may end up huge defensive advantage for Iran.

After two successes in taking out the weakly defended fledgling nuclear programs of Iraq and Syria, Israel could end up with total egg on its face if it tries to take on Iran. And end up losing all its planes and pilots while doing no damage to Iran. The third time may not be the charm for Israel.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Then what is Iran stating?
...

Note: I do not need to go into gutter language because someone challenges my POV

I don't need to call you a moron either, but I don't believe in the myth of "gutter language", and consider "moron" a reasonable reference to your ignoring of the facts which debunks your POV, which I had presented in this thread previously:

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: irishScott
The fricken President of Iran said Israel should be wiped off the map.

No, he fricken didn't.

So, as long as you continue to revel in such willful ignorance, I will call you a moron. Once it can be established that you have seen the facts but continue to cling to your POV in contradiction to them, I will call you a liar. You really shouldn't need me to explain that though, as all of this has happened before.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Then what is Iran stating?
...

Note: I do not need to go into gutter language because someone challenges my POV

I don't need to call you a moron either, but I don't believe in the myth of "gutter language", and consider "moron" a reasonable reference to your ignoring of the facts which debunks your POV, which I had presented in this thread previously:

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: irishScott
The fricken President of Iran said Israel should be wiped off the map.

No, he fricken didn't.

So, as long as you continue to revel in such willful ignorance, I will call you a moron. Once it can be established that you have seen the facts but continue to cling to your POV in contradiction to them, I will call you a liar. You really shouldn't need me to explain that though, as all of this has happened before.

Son, Common Courtesy is Airforce, he knows a SHITLOAD more than you ever will.

I'm RAF, special service and i know more than you could ever hope for, we are telling you that you are so fucking wrong that it's not even funny and you INSIST on trying to be right.

Go fuck yourself.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Neither country benefits by having a nuke. Focusing on Iran is simply going to strengthen Israel.

They both should have no nukes.

This is probably the sanest post in this thread.

 

[Lemon law]

Maybe JOS has self identified the problem with, "Son, Common Courtesy is Airforce, he knows a SHITLOAD more than you ever will.

I'm RAF, special service and i know more than you could ever hope for, we are telling you that you are so fucking wrong that it's not even funny and you INSIST on trying to be right."

JOS, a country always looks vastly different from the air than it does on the real deal reality on the ground. Which may explain your new found pessimism after Obama put the troops on the ground and you suddenly had to confront the reality of what Afghanistan
REALLY looked like. ( and are now ready to throw in the towel ) And while you were concentrating on putting out the brightest fires visible from the air, you suddenly found the Taliban had quietly wrapped up the rest of the country you could not and did not bother to try to even see.

Yet even as you are now ready to run home to Mommy, you have the chutzpah to insist you were right and we were wrong. Get a clue, JOS, your contentions just do not compute. Which is not to say that you are not really good at what you do, but it does say what you do is only a small part of ALL the other various things it takes to WIN.

 

[SandEagle]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Neither country benefits by having a nuke. Focusing on Iran is simply going to strengthen Israel.

They both should have no nukes.

And neither country should be receiving aid from US, especially Israel:

under the Symington Amendment to the US Foreign Appropriations Bill, the USD cannot give any financial aid to any country with nuclear weapons that has not signed the NNPT and allowed IAEA inspections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: SandEagle

Originally posted by: BassBomb
Neither country benefits by having a nuke. Focusing on Iran is simply going to strengthen Israel.

They both should have no nukes.

And neither country should be receiving aid from US, especially Israel:

under the Symington Amendment to the US Foreign Appropriations Bill, the USD cannot give any financial aid to any country with nuclear weapons that has not signed the NNPT and allowed IAEA inspections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

Loophole from link.

The President of the United States has used his authority to ease sanctions on India, Pakistan, and to deter the implementation of sanctions against Israel.