Lemon law
Lifer
- Nov 6, 2005
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Let us examine the irishScot contention of "The fricken President of Iran said Israel should be wiped off the map. I know Ackmadjinafuck doesn't have that much power, but the fact that the Ayatollah continues to support this guy says it all. Sizeable = not negligible. Meaning if Iran gets a nuke there is a possibility, however remote, that the fanatics will gain control of it and use it. As opposed to the US and most other nuclear nations, where that has a zero chance of happening."
To start out with, the Achamdinehad statement of wiping Israel off the map actually refers to the post 1967 expansion of Israel and not the 1948 borders, but still, point taken, Achamadinehjad is the greatest gift to Israeli propaganda since sex and sliced bread. As for the current Mullahs of Iran, yes they like Achmadinejad better than the alternatives, but do not think for one mad moment that they endorse Achmadinejad style zaniness or will follow his lead. Nor should we believe that the Iranian nuclear program for the peace time generation of electrical power does not unite the country, on that Iranian hardliners and hardliners totally agree.
As for the last irishscot point, the nutty nuclear power voted most likely to do something nutso is and remains Israel. Who openly talks about preemptively striking Iran even if Iran is too big, too far away, and very dangerous to attack.
The mid east is a powder keg as it is, Israel would be well advised not to shit in its own nest. Because it may end up biting off far more than it can chew.
To start out with, the Achamdinehad statement of wiping Israel off the map actually refers to the post 1967 expansion of Israel and not the 1948 borders, but still, point taken, Achamadinehjad is the greatest gift to Israeli propaganda since sex and sliced bread. As for the current Mullahs of Iran, yes they like Achmadinejad better than the alternatives, but do not think for one mad moment that they endorse Achmadinejad style zaniness or will follow his lead. Nor should we believe that the Iranian nuclear program for the peace time generation of electrical power does not unite the country, on that Iranian hardliners and hardliners totally agree.
As for the last irishscot point, the nutty nuclear power voted most likely to do something nutso is and remains Israel. Who openly talks about preemptively striking Iran even if Iran is too big, too far away, and very dangerous to attack.
The mid east is a powder keg as it is, Israel would be well advised not to shit in its own nest. Because it may end up biting off far more than it can chew.
LunarRay
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- Mar 2, 2003
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You are right on the statement that Iran did not say 'Wipe Israel off the map'' or like that.
The actual speeches in Farsi were read to me by a person ex of Terhan. She said among other things that there is no idiom in Farsi to say that. And, it seems the President was quoting the supreme leader who, she indicated said... ''Zionist regime off or from the pages of history" In her reading of a number of the speeches none indicated the eradication of Israel or the Jew but, rather, always referred to a thing that is hard to quantify... a regime.
Having said that, I think there is no love lost twixt the two expecially since in 2007 Israel asked the US to back a strike against Iran's nuclear plant but Bush said Not on my watch or like that.
kylebisme
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- Mar 25, 2000
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I know you mean well LL, but that is no excuse for spreading lies, and you are only discrediting those who oppose Israeli aggression by making such utterly bullshit claims here. If you want to talk about what the statement meant, then please take the time to inform yourself first, such as with the information I provided previously.
- Aug 23, 2003
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It might be time to get your news from someone other than Rush/Hannity/Beck.
He said the Israeli regime should be wiped off the map.
Just like Bush said the Iraqi regime should be wiped off the map in 2003.
Just like the American people wiped the Republican regime from the White House/Congress in 2008.
You're probably right.
So we should just sit on our hands then and let Iran get a couple nukes and simply HOPE they never use them, is that what you're saying?
...Because if Iran DOES get nukes, then our hands would be REALLY tied. Iran would suddenly have a license to do pretty much whatever they want to in the way of state-sponsored terrorism.
"Bin Laden?", Ahjimadinefuck says when he opens his front door. "Welcome, welcome, come in please. And feel free to set up as many Al Quaeda training camps as you like! There's plenty room next to the Hizbollah camps."
If we ever would have a legitimate reason to strike against Iran in the future, that would be pretty much impossible should they gain nuclear weapon capability because of the obvious risk of nuclear retaliation.
Therefore, those nutty mullahs must NEVER be allowed to get their crazy hands on any nukes, pretty much whatever the cost. Iran's leadership is a rabid dog frothing at the mouth that behaves if it thinks it suits its interests, and bites if it thinks it can get away with it.
Israel have huge internal problems, with their state-sponsored campaign of theft, violence, racism and apartheid towards the palestinians and all, but that's a different matter. Israel exists, for better and for worse, and it's never going to go away; that doesn't mean we can take focus away from Iran's continued lies and attempts at nuclear proliferation.
- Oct 30, 2000
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Iran loves Israel so much that they arm all the current combatants that are aligned against her.
Where do you see speeches in where Israeli leaders are insisting that Iran should be wiped off the map?
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
- Sep 12, 2004
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Nonsense. Iran supports Hamas (Sunni) and Syria (Sunni) is Iran's puppet. Not to mention that the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" saying also applies. The 9-11 Commission report also speaks of numerous ties between Iran and Al Qaeda.
Imagining that Sunnis and Shia don't mix when it comes to terrorism is being simplistic, and/or blind to the facts.
kylebisme
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- Mar 25, 2000
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If you would be so kind as to answer the question of mine you quoted, I'd gladly reciprocate by answering yours. Again, what should I do to save others from the possibility of Fear No Evil snapping and going on a mass murder spree? Simply HOPE he never does?
OMG, bogeymen! I'm going to have to go out for more diapers now!
They are closely related matters, which requires some absurd feats of mental gymnastics to compartmentalise from eachother.
Not that I suggested otherwise, but this is your excuse for defending Israel's ability to continue wiping Palestine off the map?
Right, just like we couldn't take focus away from Iraq's continued lies and attempts at nuclear proliferation, eh? Being the beacon of truth and peace that we are is so much fun, it makes me feel so good inside. Oh happy...
It was an example.
Anyway, there's this old saying in Tennessee that applies...fool me once, shame on - shame on me. Fool me - you can't get fooled again!
Anyway, on a more serious note, the one I was referring to is, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". So don't presume there couldn't ever be any dealings between a terrorist group and a known terrorist-backing regime that both happen to hate 'The Great Satan' simply because of a little thing like different flavors of a common religion.
You're setting up a ridiculous strawman scenario, statistically speaking the chance he'll go postal is no greater than for you doing so, or anyone else. Even if he does go postal (impossible to tell in advance, as you well know), the danger he poses to humanity as a whole is far less than a nuke-equipped, mullah-controlled Iran would.
Now your turn: answer my question, thank you.
This is the best you can do? Instead of responding to a genuine and legitimate concern... How disappointing! I'm just going to have to assume you simply couldn't think of anything to say and tried a diversion tactic instead.
When Dubya rationalized his illegal war in Iraq with that they were bringing the Iraqui freedom and democracy at gunpoint (by then having had to give up his deceitful claim it was over WMDs and Saddam's alledged ties to terrorism); his attempt at deception was of course immediately unmasked by pretty much everyone that had the capability of independent thought; Iraq was hardly the worst dictatorship on the planet. North Korea would have been a far better target for freedom-inciting cluster bombs and cruise missiles. Except he couldn't have done that even had he actually wanted to; NK has nukes.
The Bush regime even admitted as much at the time, and if Iran is allowed to gain nukes they will become untouchable as well, for essentially the rest of time. You think this is something the mullahs haven't thought of?! Of course they have. It's their best chance to thwart the U.S. and the west forever, there's nothing they'll strive harder at aquiring, why else would they go through the trouble of building UNDERGROUND BUNKERS to house uranium enrichment facilities? Such facilities aren't cheap even when constructed above ground...
The excuse it's to make fuel rods for civilian use is pathetically lame. They've been offered to procure all the fuel rods they need for their civilian power plants but they rejected that idea. Of course they're seeking to build weapons. Anyone believing otherwise is completely daft. Why else the hardened enrichment facilities and nuclear reactors capable of producing weapons-grade waste?
Please explain how Israeli oppression against, and land theft from palestinians is closely related to Iranian missile tests. I sure can't see any connections, other than the two nations having three common letters in their names, and each hating each others' guts, but neither alternative makes any sense in this context. Last I checked, Israel and Iran don't even share any borders, nor is Israel currently occupying any Iranian territory or oppressing any Iranian nationals (unless the Mossad have some in custody, but that's just speculation of course).
???
I just stated a fact.
That you think I was defending anything with that short sentence fragment just goes to show how completely off your rockers you must be. I suggest you take off your bias glasses, they're making you see things that aren't there...
More logic and less snark please, there isn't enough of the former in your entire post to fill a thimble.
Gods... I wouldn't have believed the level of unrealness you display if I hadn't just witnessed it with my own eyes. You just totally didn't reply to anything in my entire post, and instead presented the lamest of excuses!
Dude, I just totally and completely pwned you. You're taking your toys and running home to mommy, because you've got nothing to respond with and you know it. I defrocked you. We duelled with words, and I won. I scored a humiliating victory over you. My logic (and your lack thereof) showed what a hollow, clueless, offensive sham you are.
But you go ahead... Run, coward.
Fact is you're a troll, you have no arguments, no logic and only snark. You provoke people with radical statements, then duck and cover when asked to back them up. You fabricate untruths and put words in peoples' mouths. That's the definition of a troll. That's what trolls do.
And you're one of them. Are you even aware of it yourself?
Thanks for letting me know though, so I won't have to waste more time on you. Does this forum have an ignore function? I suggest everybody use it, you're adding nothing to this place. You're all noise and no signal.
irishScott
Lifer
- Oct 10, 2006
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Lol, you're partially right. He never said those words directly as it turns out. What he did say was: "Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10...f07fc5b7543417&ei=5070
Also, I wouldn't trust any site called antiwar.com to be impartial.
So the Israeli regime should be wiped off the map. That's like saying "you know you guys are all right, but your entire government structure, culture, you know the stuff that makes you who you are? That's got to go." Ackmadinajhad would be perfectly happy to see Israel gone, as would most of the middle east. They may not attack Israel directly, but suffice to say I don't trust fanatics with nukes.
kylebisme
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- Mar 25, 2000
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Rather, your who post was utter claptrap, so I simply singled out the most flagrant example of your delusions to exemplify why I have no interest in humoring your nonsense. If you could muster the intellectual honesty to admit your prophetic statement comes short of the fact you claimed it was, I would be persuaded to address the rest of your arguments. Absent that, I see no reason to bother.
kylebisme
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That's not quite it either. the idiom "wiped off the map" doesn't even exist in Farsi.
Sure, you trust the pro-war media who don't give you the quote in its original language along with a word by word literal translation, let alone any reasonable elaboration on the context, and don't have the motivation to look into it any deeper than that.
Rather, "vanish from the page of time", like Shah of Iran's regime, Soviet regime, and Saddam's regime all did.
I think Israelis are more than the colonialist, bigoted, and murderous people their government has lead them to be, but I suppose that is just a difference in opinions.
But you do, you just pretend they aren't fanatics to make you feel better about it.
Really, who's the one who's presuming crystal ball powers if you're convinced the nation of israel isn't going to be around pretty much for the duration of our current civilization?
If saying that yes, Israel isn't going to be going ANYWHERE, constitutes claptrap, then the only people you'll have agreeing with you is the world's marginalized fringe elements. It's a nation of over seven million. That's more than either Norway, Denmark or Finland, or any of the Baltic states to mention but a few. You think that's just going to go away all of a sudden, or that there's even the smallest, tiniest possibility of that happening? It's a stable nation with no risk of civil war. Even Somalia, the currently messed-up state it's in, isn't about to just up and vanish from the map...
Short of a great meteor falling from space striking the general area IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Okay?! Even should the surrounding middle-eastern nations grow some balls and attack en masse Israel has western allies AND nukes to fall back on. They're NOT gonna go away. You're off your rockers and any reasonable person would agree with me here.
Your post's another intellectual self-induced nutshot slash faceplant in what's becoming an increasingly long string of similar feats. So why do you even bother!
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