Iran, six world powers clinch breakthrough nuclear deal

[rudeguy]

Can you guys get any more ridiculous?

Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.

By linking to when this was tried in history? And how it failed miserably?


Can you please try to use at least a little intelligence when trolling? It would really be appreciated.

 

[michal1980]

No, I do not agree. If Iran holds up it's end both in letter and in spirit it could signify a major turning point in relations. I am still somewhat skeptical but it doesn't really cost us anything to play it out.

It gives Iran 6 months of more breathing room.

 

[fskimospy]

By linking to when this was tried in history? And how it failed miserably?


Can you please try to use at least a little intelligence when trolling? It would really be appreciated.

This makes literally no sense. Comparing this to Munich would require a stunning ignorance not only of this treaty but of history.

You sound like an idiot or a lunatic. Can you at least try to get yourself under control before talking about this? It would be appreciated.

 

[fskimospy]

If it's not a treaty, it's not binding on the United States. You can jerk yourself off over "International Law" all you want. We saw how effective International Law and the various tribunals Harvey was constantly posting were in bringing GW Bush to "justice" and changing our foreign policy.

International law? We are talking about US law. This is not a treaty under US law, nor are most international agreements the US enters into. Generally treaties are instruments that require US law to be changed to comply with them, which is not the case here.

It is blindingly obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about. Go read my link before posting more about this please.

I find the massive ignorance of even basic concepts about the deal and US law while simultaneously making declarations of how things must be both sad and hilarious. Not sure which one wins.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is Obama's foreign policy. The crowning achievement or failure depending on how it turns out a decade from now. I for one hope it is a crowning achievement, for a strong, healthy, and peaceful Iran is best for the world.

I do however, have deep concerns as we add more nuclear nations. At some point that has got to be stopped. If not Iran, then who? There is an important line to be drawn on nuclear proliferation and military action to stop it at all costs. Sometime in the future we will be forced to act.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

This is Obama's foreign policy. The crowning achievement or failure depending on how it turns out a decade from now. I for one hope it is a crowning achievement, for a strong, healthy, and peaceful Iran is best for the world.

I do however, have deep concerns as add yet more nuclear nations. At some point that has got to be stopped. If not Iran, then who? There is an important line to be drawn on nuclear proliferation and military action to stop it at all costs. Sometime in the future we will be forced to act.

a safer world is a world in which every country has nuclear weapons. it kept the us, china and russia from going to war. even if iran, north korea, pakistan etc.., had nuclear weapons they wouldnt use them, they just want them to deter the us. the us is at least half the problem, if it wasnt constantly threatening other countries and invading countries, they wouldnt feel they needed that sheet

 

[EagleKeeper]

a safer world is a world in which every country has nuclear weapons. it kept the us, china and russia from going to war. even if iran, north korea, pakistan etc.., had nuclear weapons they wouldnt use them, they just want them to deter the us. the us is at least half the problem, if it wasnt constantly threatening other countries and invading countries, they wouldnt feel they needed that sheet

Pakistan and India both have nukes; Neither was threatened by the US when they developed nukes.

Neither have threatened the US either.

 

[K1052]

It gives Iran 6 months of more breathing room.

What could they possibly do in the six months that they wouldn't have done anyway if there was no deal? Please be specific.

 

[Dari]

WTF was Germany even a part of this talk? Because they owe Israel for the Holocaust? Ridiculous. Also, I wonder how conflicted JediYoda is with this deal...

 

[Agent11]

Germany is a respected world leader now, and they deserve the status. The EU is incredibly dependent on Germany.

I hope this all works out, I am not afraid of the US being attacked by Iran, ever. We could literally turn the country into a sea of glass if we wanted to and it would be a very long time before they ever had such capability.

 

[Strk]

I like the whole "they'll get nukes in a reasonably short time," yet they've been trying for decades. I'd say whatever improves the country and potentially encourages the removal of the guardian council and supreme leader is good.

 

[IGBT]

a suckers deal to appease low information obama supporters.

 

[Nintendesert]

You know how we stop the Iranian threat? Engagement and removing sanctions and exporting sex, drugs and Rock 'n Roll. Nations that are involved with each other through trade don't want to blow each other up.

There's no other good options here unless you warmongers feel like enlisting to go fight over there. I for one think we've wasted enough of our treasure and blood there. Let talking and trade lead us out of this.

 

[yllus]

I like the whole "they'll get nukes in a reasonably short time," yet they've been trying for decades. I'd say whatever improves the country and potentially encourages the removal of the guardian council and supreme leader is good.

Pakistan was able to achieve a nuclear armed nation status in 1998 - but they had a civilian nuclear reactor or three to work with since the seventies. Netanyahu first said that Iran was three to five years away in '92, so if they've been working away diligently, they're about due. Still, I meant a time frame of five to ten years.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta love the ravers & naysayers.

Listening to Benjy, the Iranians have been six months away from creating nuclear weapons for the last ten years, at least. If that's been true at all, and I think it is, then the Iranians apparently don't want nukes. They could obviously make them if they chose to do so, like a lot of other nations.

They have the right to produce LEU under IAEA supervision, and have been for many years w/o significant incidents, innuendo & supposition aside. They may well have engaged in weapons related research in the past, but they're not alone in that, either.

The US has demanded that they cease their nuclear energy program, give up all nuclear materials, and they refused, hence sanctions. That doesn't mean we actually had the right to make such demands in the first place. It was just part of the multiple diversions created by the Bush admin to distract us from the top down looting of the American economy. It worked beautifully. Witness the moronic twits who still believe it served some other purpose.

Yes, the West is reasonable in demanding that the Iranians adopt additional protocols wrt the handling of nuclear materials. OTOH, we can't expect them to comply when we won't grant that they have the right to such materials in the first place. Therefore, a constructive agreement is necessary, and this looks like a first step in that direction.

But do rave on, fools.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Pakistan was able to achieve a nuclear armed nation status in 1998 - but they had a civilian nuclear reactor or three to work with since the seventies. Netanyahu first said that Iran was three to five years away in '92, so if they've been working away diligently, they're about due. Still, I meant a time frame of five to ten years.

And Israel along with others have attempted to induce delays into that program.

 

[trenchfoot]

Another thread to bookmark and put in a time capsule along with the ACA ones, just so I can revisit them and confirm if the conservatives in this forum have the power of prophecy in regards to their steadfast and unflagging predictions of doom and failure for every single deed and accomplishment the Dems and Obama have managed to push through the Repub legislative blockade and 50 foot thick layered barricade made of propagandistic wallpaper.

 

[brycejones]

Serious question to those that are outraged what is your alternative? Do you really support immediate military action by the US or what?

 

[Jhhnn]

Serious question to those that are outraged what is your alternative? Do you really support immediate military action by the US or what?

They support raving denial & blaming Obama, obviously. The usual.

 

[Jaskalas]

a safer world is a world in which every country has nuclear weapons.

You going to say that if the "Teahadists" secede and form their own nation? Making it real with something you may feel threatened by. 200 separate nations all with itchy trigger fingers and occasional civil wars / revolutions.

And that's just the beginning.

I'll say it again, MAD only works on strong, healthy, rationale players. Eventually you draw a line on what is acceptable. Eventually you go to war to stop nuclear weapons from falling into the wrong hands.

 

[Agent11]

In the end, Iran agreed to cap its enrichment level to a maximum of 5 percent, which is well below the 90 percent threshold needed for a warhead. Iran also pledged to "neutralize" its stockpile of 20 percent enriched uranium — the highest level acknowledged by Tehran — by either diluting its strength or converting it to fuel for its research reactors, which produced isotopes for medical treatments and other civilian uses.

Rouhani portrayed the accord as a victory for Iran's "right" to enrichment under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty — even though the West sidestepped using that language in the documents and foreign ministers, including Secretary of State John Kerry, flatly denied such a right had been recognized.

"No matter what interpretive comments are made, it is not in this document," Kerry told reporters in Geneva. "There is no right to enrich within the four corners of the NPT. And this document does not do that."

Rouhani, however, using similar phrasing, said the exact opposite.

"No matter what interpretations are given, Iran's right to enrichment has been recognized," he said in a nationally televised speech from Tehran just hours after the deal was signed. Rouhani then posed with family members of nuclear scientists murdered in recent years, killings Iran has blamed on Israel and its allies.

God Kerry is a fucking idiot.

 

[Abwx]

Fifth colon is already at work :

A senior pro-Israel US senator says he intends to pursue imposing additional sanctions against Tehran after the “disproportionate” deal between Iran and the Sextet powers in Geneva.


"I am disappointed by the terms of the agreement between Iran and the P5+1 nations because it does not seem proportional. Iran simply freezes its nuclear capabilities while we reduce the sanctions,” Charles Schumer, a member of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), said on Sunday.

The US are pressuring Iran while they are litteraly colonized
by isreali representants disguised as US senators with
no care for the US citizenry opinion..

This is while a majority of the American public favors a negotiated settlement with Iran over its nuclear energy program.

The survey conducted by ABC News/Washington Post found out that 64 percent of respondents back a deal that will ease sanctions in exchange for Iran restricting its nuclear program.

 

[AViking]

The culture of fear in America needs to stop. Some of you are straight out of the McCarthy era.

 

[trenchfoot]

The culture of fear in America needs to stop. Some of you are straight out of the McCarthy era.

What can I say. That old ploy of keeping people ignorant and in fear has worked for untold eons. That ain't going to change anytime soon. Take for example the internet. A wonderful tool of knowledge such as the world has never seen before its advent. Yet, it is also a tool of misinformation, propaganda and ironically, a tool to keep people ignorant and living in perpetual fear, given the inexplicable "need" for many people to be that way.

Want to control a certain targeted group of folks who can then be exploited at will? Give them something to be more afraid of than what they're being exploited for. Works every time.

Perfect example: North Korea........and FOX News.

 

[Jhhnn]

God Kerry is a fucking idiot.

He apparently feels the need to pander to Israeli interests & America's right wing idiots in word if not in deed. He attempts to justify the actions of his predecessors, particularly those of the Bush Admin.

If the NPT allows for enrichment, then previous US demands wrt the Iranian program stand in violation of the treaty. He can't admit to that & save face for the US.

Therefore, Truthiness prevails. We didn't do anything wrong, we just changed our minds. Even that can be spun into not really changing our minds at all.