Iran is continuing nuclear activities

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Aimster

No they haven't. They are more than forthcoming about their enrichment program. They always brag about how they have more centrifuges than they really do.
Iran builds their own equipment. They are mass producing the equipment.

If Iran really has 8,000 centrifuges for example they will come out and say they have 12,000.
It's not like their enrichment program is top secret.

They didn't happen to mention their enrichment plant to the IAEA until someone outed them. Iran also claimed they never got any info/material/equipment from Pakistan until they were confronted with the fact that their centrifuge designs were all but identical to the P1/P2 and components were contaminated with HEU from the Pakistani nuke program.

 

[Lemon law]

K1052 is somewhat being ridiculous in saying, "The big worry is that they can cobble together enough centrifuge cascades to separate U-235 to a purity above 90%. At that point is really isn't difficult to build a weapon as all you have to do is calculate the critical mass of your material and bring them together at the right speed (a gun type weapon)."

Which is the slowest and least efficient way to build a nuclear WEAPONS program. It might take a three more years, but Iran could perhaps scrape together enough highly enriched U235 to make one or two U235 bombs if they followed the K1052 advice. But then they would not have the spare centrifuge capacity to proceed with fueling reactors, and by selected Reactors of the breeder type, Iran could end up with far more plutonium fueled bombs in only slightly more time, basically a best way for Iran to have their cake and eat it too. Because they would end up with massive electrical generation capacity, and end up with more bombs if Iran choose to MUCH LATER go for having nuclear weapons.

But again the IAEA will also have later inputs on what type of reactors Iran is allowed to build, other types of reactor designs produce far less plutonium in the spent fuel rods. Yielding a much lesser threat even assuming Iran later decides to start a nuclear weapons program.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
K1052 is somewhat being ridiculous in saying, "The big worry is that they can cobble together enough centrifuge cascades to separate U-235 to a purity above 90%. At that point is really isn't difficult to build a weapon as all you have to do is calculate the critical mass of your material and bring them together at the right speed (a gun type weapon)."

Which is the slowest and least efficient way to build a nuclear WEAPONS program. It might take a three more years, but Iran could perhaps scrape together enough highly enriched U235 to make one or two U235 bombs if they followed the K1052 advice. But then they would not have the spare centrifuge capacity to proceed with fueling reactors, and by selected Reactors of the breeder type, Iran could end up with far more plutonium fueled bombs in only slightly more time, basically a best way for Iran to have their cake and eat it too. Because they would end up with massive electrical generation capacity, and end up with more bombs if Iran choose to MUCH LATER go for having nuclear weapons.

But again the IAEA will also have later inputs on what type of reactors Iran is allowed to build, other types of reactor designs produce far less plutonium in the spent fuel rods. Yielding a much lesser threat even assuming Iran later decides to start a nuclear weapons program.

Actually a uranium program it is the fastest way to get a bomb with the smallest footprint while doing so. This is what South Africa did to get their weapons. Iran does not need their enrichment plants to supply reactor fuel because they only have 1 reactor going online within the next 15 years and the fuel for it is already going to be supplied by the Russians under contract.

So between having a few dozen weapons after having to wait a couple more decades or a few weapons within a couple years time you can guess which route is going to be chosen.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Craig234
3. I am for a double standard - nukes for me, my closest and most trusted allies, and a few other nations who unfortunately already have too many to stop; but, not for anyone who sponsors terrorism against me or my closest allies, or who has made overt threats against me and/or my closest allies.

I modified #3 a bit to better reflect reality; which, btw, is a really cool place to live!

There are "friends," and there are "enemies." The bottom line is that we do not want any more of our enemies -- or potential enemies -- to obtain nuclear weapons.

Some people refer to it as 'self-preservation'...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Palehorse again asks " Why won't they allow inspectors into their supposedly "overt" underground facilities?"

When in fact much of what palehorse is doing is simply perpetuating a great lie being driven buy Israeli and US paranoia. By in large, Iran does co-operate with IAEA inspectors who State all the nuclear material in the Iranian Low level Uranium enrichment programs are accounted for. And Israel and the US are also driving the the IAEA inspectors nuts by demanding they report on any fanciful rumors they can dredge up regarding Iranian's talking to anyone with advanced bomb making experience. Israel and the US also demand IAEA have access to Iranian military operations totally unrelated to ANYTHING NUCLEAR. In short, the USA is crying wolf again and again and again, while palehorse falls for it hook line and sinker. The point being, the IAEA and the rest of the world take a more unbiased view.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/region/Iran/10218067.html

I'm not "falling for" anything you idiot. I asked a question based on Aimster's own statements.

It's astounding that you speak so authoritatively, or matter-of-fact, on every subject around here, while your only sources of information are the TV and the Interweb... how is that possible?

How do YOU know that the underground facilities are "totally unrelated to ANYTHING NUCLEAR"? Did the Iranians tell you so? Anderson Cooper? Larry King? Alan Colmes? Gulfnews.com?

God? Did God tell you?! :Q

That must be it...

:roll:

 

[Lemon law]

Crickets Crickets Crickets, ole Jimmity Crickets himself must have told palehorse that he is God's enforcer of the Dick Cheney wisdom. Assume Iran is as morally bankrupt as palehorse is.

Then next palehorse trick will to bring back the new Shah of Iran, that will really make Iran love us.

And then palehorses next trick will be to say no to the other 40 or so nations asking the IEAE to start their own nuclear programs because they too do not trust palehorse type American policy any further than they can throw it.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: palehorse
Anderson Cooper? Larry King? Alan Colmes? Gulfnews.com?

This is particularly funny from the guy who's post generally come off like they were ripped straight from the plotline of 24.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse
Anderson Cooper? Larry King? Alan Colmes? Gulfnews.com?

This is particularly funny from the guy who's post generally come off like they were ripped straight from the plotline of 24.

I get my "news" from the same people and places that President Obama gets his news.

Every day.

TV and the Interweb are nothing but distractions and background noise. Posting here and fucking with the likes of you and LL is nothing more than an entertaining hobby.

You amuse me.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse
Anderson Cooper? Larry King? Alan Colmes? Gulfnews.com?

This is particularly funny from the guy who's post generally come off like they were ripped straight from the plotline of 24.

I get my "news" from the same people and places that President Obama gets his news.

Every day.

TV and the Interweb are nothing but distractions and background noise. Posting here and fucking with the likes of you and LL is nothing more than an entertaining hobby.

You amuse me.

'Name dropping' is not an effective argument.

Obviously, that same intelligence information ensured Bush always made the right calls.

You don't get an 'I win' button in discussions for having access to the information you have. You can either make a credible argument, or you can't. Usually, it's the latter.

 

[Jiggz]

This is an unstoppable train! If the US wants to benefit from this it might as well sell Iran fissile material and make money out of it! Or stand on the sides bitching and complaining without any power at all. Just to add more flavor to it, the renowned AQ Khan is out again and guess where he's going to develop his next nuclear weapon? Did I hear someone say Iran?What? Iran? With a fellow Muslim cloaked in the WH, why even try?