Iran deal reached

[trenchfoot]

The war mongers are truly and thoroughly pissed about the deal.

That makes me feel truly and thoroughly satisfied with a potentially favorable outcome.

Thousands upon thousands of American troops lives possibly saved. Untold billions of $$$ potentially saved from repeating the infamous Bush/Cheney fiasco that can go into creating jobs that those frick'in trickle down supposed "job creators" would rather not but instead would prefer to create more corrupted politicians.

That Obama stuck it to them with an ear to ear grin, an fuck-you-I-don't-give-a-shit-what-you-think attitude and an I-dare-you-to-screw-this-deal-up threat is just sweet delish icing on the cake.

edit - My bet is that the Repubs are going to want to make themselves appear that they're going down swinging to the last punch before ALLOWING Obama to seal the deal for the sake of keeping the nation united to meet the nuclear threat that the deal with Iran represents.

 

[soundforbjt]

The war mongers are truly and thoroughly pissed about the deal.

That makes me feel truly and thoroughly satisfied with a potentially favorable outcome.

Thousands upon thousands of American troops lives possibly saved. Untold billions of $$$ potentially saved from repeating the infamous Bush/Cheney fiasco that can go into creating jobs that those frick'in trickle down supposed "job creators" would rather not but instead would prefer to create more corrupted politicians.

That Obama stuck it to them with an ear to ear grin, an fuck-you-I-don't-give-a-shit-what-you-think attitude and an I-dare-you-to-screw-this-deal-up threat is just sweet delish icing on the cake.

edit - My bet is that the Repubs are going to want to make themselves appear that they're going down swinging to the last punch before ALLOWING Obama to seal the deal for the sake of keeping the nation united to meet the nuclear threat that the deal with Iran represents.

But just think what will happen if one of them gets elected President, all bets are off then.

 

[Jhhnn]

But just think what will happen if one of them gets elected President, all bets are off then.

Iran's compliance with the deal will leave virtually no public support for a reversion of policy. That assumes their actions in other areas remain unchanged.

I figure they'll be racing for the milestones.

The sooner we can cut to the chase, to the filibuster or the veto, the better. Repubs are just stalling for time at this point, trying to get traction & public support w/ the usual propaganda.

It won't work. America is sick of Neocon shit, sick of endless war, sick of endless aggressive posturing. We're not good at Imperialism outside of our normal sphere of influence, the Monroe Doctrine. Neocons clearly think otherwise, but we don't want to take up the White Man's Burden of spreading enlightenment at gunpoint. It's contrary to our basic character.

 

[soundforbjt]

Iran's compliance with the deal will leave virtually no public support for a reversion of policy. That assumes their actions in other areas remain unchanged.

I figure they'll be racing for the milestones.

The sooner we can cut to the chase, to the filibuster or the veto, the better. Repubs are just stalling for time at this point, trying to get traction & public support w/ the usual propaganda.

It won't work. America is sick of Neocon shit, sick of endless war, sick of endless aggressive posturing. We're not good at Imperialism outside of our normal sphere of influence, the Monroe Doctrine. Neocons clearly think otherwise, but we don't want to take up the White Man's Burden of spreading enlightenment at gunpoint. It's contrary to our basic character.

I don't know, latest polls show a majority are against the deal.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't know, latest polls show a majority are against the deal.

Yeah... I don't think anyone can make a claim one way or another.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/27/9049839/iran-deal-polls

 

[cabri]

Iran says will ban US experts from UN nuclear inspections

EHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will not allow American or Canadian inspectors working for the U.N. nuclear watchdog to visit its nuclear facilities, an official said in remarks broadcast by state TV on Thursday.

Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said Iran will only allow inspectors from countries that have diplomatic relations with it. The previously undisclosed remarks were made during a Sunday meeting with parliamentarians.

"American and Canadian inspectors cannot be sent to Iran," said Araghchi. "It is mentioned in the deal that inspectors should be from countries that have diplomatic relations with Islamic republic of Iran."

He also said inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency will not have access to "sensitive and military documents."

Iran and world powers reached a historical deal earlier this month aimed at curbing Tehran's disputed nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of international sanctions. Western nations have long suspected Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons alongside its civilian atomic program, allegations denied by Tehran, which insists its nuclear activities are entirely peaceful.

The U.S. and Iran severed diplomatic relations after the 1979 Islamic revolution and the hostage crisis at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Canada closed its embassy in Tehran and suspended diplomatic relations in 2012.

1) That means we are dependent on the UN inspectors and others that may have a vested interest in appeasing Iran

2) The line in the sand has now been drawn as to access to information

 

[theeedude]

Nuclear inspections are not a free for all to spy on everything military related.

 

[ivwshane]

Iran says will ban US experts from UN nuclear inspections

1) That means we are dependent on the UN inspectors and others that may have a vested interest in appeasing Iran

2) The line in the sand has now been drawn as to access to information

Lol! Exactly which of our allies that signed this deal have or could have a vested interest in appeasing Iran?

 

[cabri]

France, China, Russia as an example (Economics)

 

[ivwshane]

France, China, Russia as an example (Economics)

I'll give you china and Russia as they are barely allies of ours but France? You mean this France?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/politics/france-iran-nuclear-deal-hawks/

 

[nickqt]

I'll give you china and Russia as they are barely allies of ours but France? You mean this France?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/politics/france-iran-nuclear-deal-hawks/

Don't worry about reality.

Iran is getting one over on us, just like poor people are getting lots over on us, and illegal immigrants are getting lots over us, as well as feminists, and muslims, and, well, you get the picture.

Embrace your inner victim.

 

[ivwshane]

Don't worry about reality.

Iran is getting one over on us, just like poor people are getting lots over on us, and illegal immigrants are getting lots over us, as well as feminists, and muslims, and, well, you get the picture.

Embrace your inner victim.

What's next? Are you going to start telling me that there isn't any bigotry left in the US and bigotry towards rich people isn't happening? You sir don't live in reality!


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/former-us-senator-ceos-are-the-victims-of-bigotry

 

[Jhhnn]

Iran says will ban US experts from UN nuclear inspections

1) That means we are dependent on the UN inspectors and others that may have a vested interest in appeasing Iran

2) The line in the sand has now been drawn as to access to information

Desperately lame.

 

[Jhhnn]

Embrace your inner victim.

The right wing wallows in imaginary victimhood.

 

[theeedude]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-iran-planes-idUSKCN0Q705W20150802

Iran plans to buy as many as 90 planes per year from Boeing (BA.N) and Airbus (AIR.PA) to revamp its antiquated fleet once Western sanctions are lifted, its state news agency IRNA quoted a senior aviation official as saying on Sunday.

"We will purchase planes from Boeing and Airbus in equal numbers," Khodakarami was quoted as saying, adding that Iran would initially need to add at least 80 planes to its fleet each year. That would mean a total of 300 planes within five years, he added.

45 American planes at $200M+ per pop, that's like $10B per year for America. Thanks Obama!

 

[Blackjack200]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-iran-planes-idUSKCN0Q705W20150802


45 American planes at $200M+ per pop, that's like $10B per year for America. Thanks Obama!

You're being conservative. It's more than that. It's GE and PW engines, parts, service contracts, the works.

They will also buy tons of iPhones, and tons of industrial equipment for their energy industry.

There's a reason American business interests were pushing so hard for this.

 

[theeedude]

You're being conservative. It's more than that. It's GE and PW engines, parts, service contracts, the works.

They will also buy tons of iPhones, and tons of industrial equipment for their energy industry.

There's a reason American business interests were pushing so hard for this.

Persians like the good life. Money to be made all around. Plus they'll drive the price of oil down even further, which benefits US consumers too.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Steve Israel (D) gave the thumbs down. The defection is beginning.

 

[theeedude]

Steve Israel (D) gave the thumbs down. The defection is beginning.

You mean Steve D (Israel) ?

 

[fskimospy]

Steve Israel (D) gave the thumbs down. The defection is beginning.

By 'the defection is beginning' of course you mean 'people who have basically always opposed this deal continue to oppose it'.

Do you actually think this deal isn't going to be enacted?

 

[cabri]

Kerry in an interview

“The ayatollah constantly believed that we are untrustworthy, that you can’t negotiate with us, that we will screw them,” Kerry said. “This”—a congressional rejection—“will be the ultimate screwing.” He went on to argue that “the United States Congress will prove the ayatollah’s suspicion, and there’s no way he’s ever coming back. He will not come back to negotiate. Out of dignity, out of a suspicion that you can’t trust America. America is not going to negotiate in good faith. It didn’t negotiate in good faith now, would be his point.”

Completely ignoring what Iran is presently saying about the agreement. While it may be publicly, so is what Kerry, Obama and Congress.

Iran already has multiple sanctions being removed, access to world markets and frozen funds.
Sanctions on them are not going to snap back unless they actually break the weak agreement and are caught at it and then have punishment authorized by the UN (unlikely)

 

[fskimospy]

Kerry in an interview

Completely ignoring what Iran is presently saying about the agreement. While it may be publicly, so is what Kerry, Obama and Congress.

Iran already has multiple sanctions being removed, access to world markets and frozen funds.
Sanctions on them are not going to snap back unless they actually break the weak agreement and are caught at it and then have punishment authorized by the UN (unlikely)

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the deal works. In order to 'snap back' their 'punishment' does not need to be authorized by the UN. In fact, it's the exact opposite.

If the US brings forth an accusation that Iran has breached its obligations in the deal then it is brought before the Security Council. After both sides have their say then a vote is taken on whether or not to continue the suspension of sanctions, not whether to re-impose sanctions. Unless the vote passes, sanctions are immediately re-imposed, not the other way around as you said. Unlike most things in the UN the default is action, not inaction.

In short, any country with a veto in the UNSC can basically unilaterally reimpose sanctions at any time. A country like...say... the US.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

By 'the defection is beginning' of course you mean 'people who have basically always opposed this deal continue to oppose it'.

Do you actually think this deal isn't going to be enacted?

Steve Israel just announced his position ffs. Is Schumer against it as well...o wise one?

 

[fskimospy]

Steve Israel just announced his position ffs. Is Schumer against it as well...o wise one?

From Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...sition-to-iran-deal-121000.html#ixzz3hxrRrrKA

Still, his announcement does not come as a surprise. He’s long been skeptical of the deal and consistently signaled he would be unlikely to support it.

So, you were saying?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

From Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...sition-to-iran-deal-121000.html#ixzz3hxrRrrKA



So, you were saying?

Will Schumer's decision (whatever it is) not be a surprise to you as well...o wise one?