ipods suck

Originally posted by: notfred
Give it away then, so we don't have to listen to your dumb ass bitch about it anymore.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: VanillaH
pcmag is not a very good source for basing your opinion on sound quality. feedback from head-fi does seem quite positive, which is why i believe i-shuffle might be worth a look. now the apple camp is starting to see what they have been missing, hopefully. i dont think anyone preferred it to rio karma, so 'blows em all away' is rather blowing it out of proportion. since when were we taking these all-encompassing computer magazines seriously anyway? i am sure they have some great credible reviews on video cards as well.

Interestingly, many of the audiophiles in head-fi rate and in fact own HD iPod themselves. Many are satisfied with the sound quality offered when the bass is boosted and half decent earbuds are used. In a recent thread where someone was looking for an MP3 player many suggested the iPod.

iPod bashing in head-fi is a myth.

Some like to exaggerate the sound quality differences of the various DAPs. Basically, the iPods have a fraction less bass than other players when the equalisers are set to be neutral. Naturally, the bass boosting EQ setting increases the bass levels.
I can confirm this using a 3G iPod 15gig w/ Shure E2C's and compared identical tracks on an Iriver with the same setup. Other than that there is no noticable differences between them.

A couple of reports have said that the quality in later generations of HD iPods has improved, but as with all 'sound quality' reviews this is subjectve.

 

[bozack]

the only thing that sucks is that they don't give all owners all the options in Itunes...for example my shuffle can randomly pick songs from my PC to load onto it whereas my wife's mini cannot...

other than that they are fine, maybe it is an ID10T error?

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: SilentZero
I just hate ipods because of the hype thats associated with them. Although I dont see why having a mp3 player is all that important anyways. I would much rather listen to music on my home theater rather than a ipod.

Your home theater system must be really tiny and portable for you to listen to it anywhere you go.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: Gurck
Anyone who has 15 minutes and an internet connection, and isn't a teenager, can easily see what a piece of crap I am.

I couldn't have said it any better.

Excellent point; ipod proponents are generally children, therefore prone to making childish insults when unable to win a debate. Classic case of an unwinnable argument is that the ipod is good.

Originally posted by: dug777
the fact that they have a little something called 'style' is obviously wasted on ATOT 😛

Different strokes I guess, I've always thought they look like something you'd find in the Fisher Price aisle of Toys-R-Us, or something carried by say, someone wearing a chartreuse track suit...

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Gurck
If you learned from this to do research in the future instead of blindly doing what everyone else is doing or buying what TV commercials tell you to buy, consider it a (quite expensive) lesson. Anyone who has 15 minutes and an internet connection, and isn't a teenager, can easily see what a piece of crap the ipod is.

You know you keep saying that but ...

CNET iPod is the top-rated player

PC Magazine iPod is rated as good or better than competing players.

Maximum PC iPod is their recommended MP3 player and rated a 10.

Amazon (20 GB) Rated 4 out of 5 stars

Amazon (40 GB) Rated 4 out of 5 stars

epinions iPod is among top MP3 players, 4.5 out of 5 stars

So I just spent 15 minutes with an internet connection and discovered that the iPod is in fact a pretty decent player, according to several reputable review sites. But go on, continue to tell me that I'm a sheep to Apple's marketing. 😛

 

[jjoyner]

Macintosh sucks anyway...

I do like Dave Chappelle's chronic masturbator spoof though...
/fondles self in rythm...
"Wutang clan ain't nothin' to mess with..."

 

[CraigRT]

I don't like the iPod either, but I cant be bothered to bitch about it anymore.. so here is all I'll say.

The battery is crap on the 3rd generation, I have problems with the connectionn to the PC (have to jiggle the connector for it to work), the software annoys the HELL out of me, and the compatibility with the player is nil.

I'm just not a fan. But then again it's for the GF and that's what she wanted.. she likes it and that's what matters. (cept for the battery life)

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Gurck
If you learned from this to do research in the future instead of blindly doing what everyone else is doing or buying what TV commercials tell you to buy, consider it a (quite expensive) lesson. Anyone who has 15 minutes and an internet connection, and isn't a teenager, can easily see what a piece of crap the ipod is.

You know you keep saying that but ...

CNET iPod is the top-rated player

PC Magazine iPod is rated as good or better than competing players.

Maximum PC iPod is their recommended MP3 player and rated a 10.

Amazon (20 GB) Rated 4 out of 5 stars

Amazon (40 GB) Rated 4 out of 5 stars

epinions iPod is among top MP3 players, 4.5 out of 5 stars

So I just spent 15 minutes with an internet connection and discovered that the iPod is in fact a pretty decent player, according to several reputable review sites. But go on, continue to tell me that I'm a sheep to Apple's marketing. 😛

Keep in mind most "reviews" are really more advertising than actual review, you think Amazon is in the reviewing business? You think PC Magazine wouldn't take a little "donation" for telling you what Apple wants you to hear? You need only to look at price, battery life, sound quality, features, itunes and its forced installation of QT (malware) and the fact that Apple spends so many millions on advertising to see the truth. Featuring Bose products in their stores is just the frosting on that crapcake.

Do your own research, don't trust someone in the business of making money to do it for you, especially when it's been proven that 'bling-bling' looks and advertising make for higher profits than quality for mp3 players.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Gurck
If you learned from this to do research in the future instead of blindly doing what everyone else is doing or buying what TV commercials tell you to buy, consider it a (quite expensive) lesson. Anyone who has 15 minutes and an internet connection, and isn't a teenager, can easily see what a piece of crap the ipod is.

You know you keep saying that but ...

CNET iPod is the top-rated player

PC Magazine iPod is rated as good or better than competing players.

Maximum PC iPod is their recommended MP3 player and rated a 10.

Amazon (20 GB) Rated 4 out of 5 stars

Amazon (40 GB) Rated 4 out of 5 stars

epinions iPod is among top MP3 players, 4.5 out of 5 stars

So I just spent 15 minutes with an internet connection and discovered that the iPod is in fact a pretty decent player, according to several reputable review sites. But go on, continue to tell me that I'm a sheep to Apple's marketing. 😛

Keep in mind most "reviews" are really more advertising than actual review, you think Amazon is in the reviewing business? You think PC Magazine wouldn't take a little "donation" for telling you what Apple wants you to hear? You need only to look at price, battery life, sound quality, features and the fact that Apple spends so many millions on advertising to see the truth. Featuring Bose products in their stores is just the frosting on that crapcake.

:roll:

So now it's a conspiracy theory. The Amazon and epinions sites were reviews from (presumably) users of the product. First you say that internet research justifies your opinions, and now you're recommending that we ignore internet reviews and just look at raw specs instead? Anyone who's evaluated any electronics equipment will tell you that comparing manufacturer's specs without hands on reviews and testing is a waste of time.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: flexy
wife got an ipod, and i am dealing with that POS for a while now and here a list while i really thing that ipods SUCK:

1) itunes and quicktime

THIS ALONE gets me going since i MIGHT see that people MIGHT want to use itunes, but why on EARTH do i need quicktime too ?

Since years i try to avoid these kind of software, eg. realplayer, quicktime etc.

Just makes me angry.

2) file system incompatibilty. Well, windows ipod is FAT32, but still why does it not use a normal directory structure with filenames so you COUL just copy songs over from the PC like to another device/drive.....but NO ! Apple must do it different....i mean "different" in a VERY stupid way:
(see below)

3) ipod obviously only lists and sorts tracks according to mp3 tags, filenames do NOT exist.
So...wife has about 3000 tracks right now and 1000 of them dont have a freaking mp3 tag ! YES APPLE, this happens ! MP3s MIGHt not always have an mp3id tag !

So....have to use 3rd part software to convert filename -> mp3id tag so you can see these songs listed in the ipod.
WHY NOT JUST USE NORMAL FILENAMES ?????

4) Huge problems using any 3rd party tools like anapod, ephpod or winamp ml ipod plugin w/ a network drive on wife's laptop(with the tracks on there) and an ipod connected to *my* PC.

Select more than 100 songs and want to copy em over.....winamp crashes once in a while.....ephpod hangs/crashes....anapod just allows ONE song at a time in the trial version. Its "great" if you need to copy THOUSANDS of songs. Idiots - so...if i were to pay $25 for the full version of anapod i dont even KNOW whether it would actually work over the network then since i cant "try" this in the trial.

5) ipod doesnt work at all on wife's laptop after i got a USB2.0 PCMCIA card...just freezes up etc...

Etc..etc.....rant rant.....

How EASY would it be if it would be filesystem compatible and you plug it in and COULD copy songs from and to windows just like i do on a memory card or something ?

NO...oh..because Apple needs to sell their stupid itunes tracks with their stupid software.....because if it would just WORK without any special s/w...well apple might lose some customers buying songs using their itunes store...DUH 🙂

Buy a dell.

Originally posted by: Amol
I, for one, LOVE iTunes . . .

one of the best music sorting libraries out there

you're an idiot.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: MrChad
The Amazon and epinions sites were reviews from (presumably) users of the product.

I knew epinions was, didn't realize amazon was user opinions - that only hurts your argument even more. Of course the average ipod user is going to like it; they're 15, their friends think it's "kewl, yo!11!1" and "teh b0mb!!!1111", their favorite TV channel, MTV, shows ads for it constantly, they've done no research on it and they've never used a competing product for comparison. Further, there's an inclination to like something you spent a lot of money on, especially if on some level you know it was too much.

First you say that internet research justifies your opinions, and now you're recommending that we ignore internet reviews and just look at raw specs instead?

Reading & trusting a review from a perfect stranger isn't research, it's stupidity. It's essentially the same thing as buying an ipod because everyone else is.

Anyone who's evaluated any electronics equipment will tell you that comparing manufacturer's specs without hands on reviews and testing is a waste of time.

So the ipod actually does have an FM tuner? 🙂 It actually does have radio & voice recording? 😀 The battery life specs are lying and it actually doesn't have the shortest battery life? :laugh: And all the sites selling it are lying about the price too; it's actually not the most expensive player? :roll: Come off it kiddo, you look less stupid remaining silent than making such a weak argument.

 

[kalster]

ipod is actually pretty cool

but diff people like diff things 😉

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the point of an ipod isn't to listen to 1000 songs at a time. its to have your collection at your finger tips. thats the killer app. no longer having to be limited to just a small part of your music collection when on the go, but to have the option of any of the songs you own with just the press of a button.

Not just the iPod, but all hard drive based MP3 players. I can't tell you how many times I've been in my car and thought "damn, I should have brought that other CD." If I had an FM transmitter for my Zen NX I'd be able to pick any song I want to hear from my whole collection for whatever mood I'm in.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Gurck[/i]
I knew epinions was, didn't realize amazon was user opinions - that only hurts your argument even more. Of course the average ipod user is going to like it; they're 15, their friends think it's "kewl, yo!11!1" and "teh b0mb!!!1111", their favorite TV channel, MTV, shows ads for it constantly, they've done no research on it and they've never used a competing product for comparison. Further, there's an inclination to like something you spent a lot of money on, especially if on some level you know it was too much.

So review sites are bought and user opinions are meaningless, check.

Reading & trusting a review from a perfect stranger isn't research, it's stupidity. It's essentially the same thing as buying an ipod because everyone else is.

Blindly trusting a single review is stupid, but I don't think evaluating reviews from multiple sources is. How else are you supposed to make an informed decision?

So the ipod actually does have an FM tuner? It actually does have radio & voice recording? The battery life specs are lying and it actually doesn't have the shortest battery life? And all the sites selling it are lying about the price too; it's actually not the most expensive player? Come off it kiddo, you look less stupid remaining silent than making such a weak argument.

I wasn't referring to missing features or price. I was referring to other "measured features" such as battery life. Many manufacturers claim to have x hours of battery life, but testing reveals that real-world battery life is y hours. Apple is not the only company that does this. Other MP3 manufacturers overstate their battery lifes. Automobile manufacturers do the same thing with 0-60 times. My point is that just comparing spec sheets isn't going to give you an accurate picture of how a product performs. The battery life may be overstated or even understated, for example. Reading reviews and product tests give you a more complete picture.

And incidentally, "kiddo", I'm 25 and I don't even own an iPod. I'm just sick of your condescending attitude in these iPod threads. It's uncalled for and it weakens the strength of your argument in my opinion.

 

[0roo0roo]

The battery life specs are lying and it actually doesn't have the shortest battery life?

actually the new ipods have long battery lives.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well no, the shuffle blows em all away actually http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1778968,00.asp

I agree 😀

- M4H