iPhone 4: Consider the following...

[zsdersw]

And "oh why does this site run so slow" and "oh why does my battery drain so quick when I play a lot of YouTube videos" and "oh why was my machine hacked due to an 'Adobe vulnerability'".

They're using IE.. and if that's true, they're also not likely to know the difference between Adobe Flash and the flash in their digital camera.

 

[mosco]

I don't think Apple is really against flash, I just think apple truely believes that flash will just never be good on a phone.

Apple is all about user experience and figuring out the tradeoffs. And thats something you live with when you buy into an apple product sometimes. Would they rather have something that kills your battery/opens up the phone to vulnerabilities/dilutes application but allows for video/navigation on web sites or would they rather just show and empty spot on the page? As a developer, I can see the business/user reasons that apple is against flash but as a phone user I also see the argument for allowing it. Apple made their choice and now the market will dictate whether that was a good one.

 

[zsdersw]

But your original complaint, which was essentially the iPhone OS lacked features that needed to be added in by OS updates, lacked substance since this is true of Android. It'll be true for Windoes Phone 7. It's true for WebOS. While I haven't paid attention to Symbian, I'm sure it's true of that as well.

It lacked far too many things at first and was too slow to add them for a device that receives so much worship, fanaticism, and loyalty. My main purpose here was to remind people that it's just another phone with all of the same closed-system annoyances that come along with it. Android phones have their issues too and are by no means more perfect than the iPhone, but they haven't been worshiped as much by as many people, either.

If we're talking about corporations, this is true. MS has actually come out publicly and criticized Flash.

If we're talking about users, a lot don't like Flash. There's a reason why the Firefox add-on Flashblock, which does what its name says, was downloaded over 50 times in the last week.

My experience with Flash is that it's rarely done right. Either it's used in annoying ways as an interface that causes a web site to load slower with no added value in terms of usability or it's used for annoying animated ads. There are Flash games of course but I don't play them.

My experience with Flash is that it's largely browser-dependent. I've never had a problem with Flash on Chrome or Opera, but IE and to a lesser extent Firefox have been more problematic.

Since a majority of people still use IE, something that indicates their level of savvy (or lack thereof), I'd say most if not all of those people don't know what Flash is or what the alternatives are.

 

[NaOH]

Usually, yes. Looks cool != good phone.



Yup, I'm sure the vast majority of users love going to the Apple store to replace a bad battery.



Yes, you have to wait for updates, but most of the time for Android those updates don't enable features the phone is capable of.. they just improve the usability of the feature.



The EVO isn't the only Android phone.. or even the only one worth getting.

the fact there is an apple store to get your phone service is a plus in itself. I had my phone serviced under warranty and I was a quick and painless transaction.

 

[MJinZ]

It lacked far too many things at first and was too slow to add them for a device that receives so much worship, fanaticism, and loyalty. My main purpose here was to remind people that it's just another phone with all of the same closed-system annoyances that come along with it. Android phones have their issues too and are by no means more perfect than the iPhone, but they haven't been worshiped as much by as many people, either.



My experience with Flash is that it's largely browser-dependent. I've never had a problem with Flash on Chrome or Opera, but IE and to a lesser extent Firefox have been more problematic.

Since a majority of people still use IE, something that indicates their level of savvy (or lack thereof), I'd say most if not all of those people don't know what Flash is or what the alternatives are.

Ask everyone at my firm what Flash is and 90% will have no clue what I'm talking about.

 

[akugami]

It lacked far too many things at first and was too slow to add them for a device that receives so much worship, fanaticism, and loyalty. My main purpose here was to remind people that it's just another phone with all of the same closed-system annoyances that come along with it. Android phones have their issues too and are by no means more perfect than the iPhone, but they haven't been worshiped as much by as many people, either.

And MS is about to put out an OS, Windows Phone 7, that will lack many of the things already seen on previous Windows Mobile phones, Android and iOS. Apple had to start from scratch in creating a phone and touch interface that was intuitive and worked well. If nothing else, Microsoft's Windows Mobile has shown that just because it works, doesn't mean it works well, when creating a mobile OS. That's why they are creating a new OS with a new interface and because of the amount of work they have to do are leaving out certain features like "copy and paste" for now.

With all due respect to Android and how well it runs, a lot of how it works and is used was copied from Apple's iOS. And as much as Android is touted, it is arguable that it would not be the OS it is today without some of the round work done by Apple.

Also, for all of the complaints about how closed it is, it does what 95% of users need it to do. I mean, what exactly do you use your smart phone for that isn't possible on the iPhone? I like my PC. I started out on a Mac nearly two decades ago. That was my first ever home computer. But along the way I had to migrate to a more open system. So I understand the complaint about open and closed systems. However, the smart phone front is a different market. What doesn't work as well on the desktop where we have nearly unlimited power (both CPU horsepower and electricity) doesn't mean it won't work on the mobile front where we have to do a balancing act on how powerful the system can be to avoid it being too much of a battery hog as well as size constraints. It's a different market.

It is arguable that there are just as many Android fanboys. Hell, all I've read about the HTC EVO was how much more it was better than the iPhone. In all honesty, it's a nice phone. Is it that much better than the iPhone? No. Not in my opinion, and it is only my opinion. Again, the EVO is a nice phone but it does have its negatives on top of its positives. But if you listen to the fanboys it crushes the iPhone and there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever.

My experience with Flash is that it's largely browser-dependent. I've never had a problem with Flash on Chrome or Opera, but IE and to a lesser extent Firefox have been more problematic.

Since a majority of people still use IE, something that indicates their level of savvy (or lack thereof), I'd say most if not all of those people don't know what Flash is or what the alternatives are.

My problem with Flash is not that it crashes, which I've had it do on both IE and FF. My problem is the way in which it is used. While full of pretty lights and animations, it doesn't create a better site in terms of navigation. It only creates a slower loading and fancier site. That's why I hate Flash. Aside from Flash games, I haven't seen a web site that couldn't have been done based on other web standards that don't require a plug-in of some sort. And I'm talking about a navigation and usability standpoint.

The screen on a smart phone is drastically smaller than on a computer so there is less room for fancier interfaces which is a major use of Flash. I hate Flash based animated ads. There are other web streaming standards out there. And I rarely play Flash based games on my computer let alone on a smart phone. I'd say that there is a very large segment of users who won't miss Flash, mobile or otherwise.

 

[Pliablemoose]

In reference to the OP:

Breaking news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and iPhones are well, they're iPhones...

 

[zerocool84]

And "oh why does this site run so slow" and "oh why does my battery drain so quick when I play a lot of YouTube videos" and "oh why was my machine hacked due to an 'Adobe vulnerability'".

What's the difference between being given the ability to use Flash and have it drain your battery or the difference between given the ability to stream music all day or watch videos and have that drain your battery??? I know you Apple guys aren't used to being given choices on your phones but some of us prefer the choice to do things. Also if you've seen, Flash has been running well on people's modern phones and if you don't want it on you have the CHOICE to turn it off and turn it on if you go to a page that's only rendered in Flash or want to see Flash content. Choice is what many of you seem to not enjoy. Sounds like you've been indoctrinated by communists.

 

[TheWart]

What's the difference between being given the ability to use Flash and have it drain your battery or the difference between given the ability to stream music all day or watch videos and have that drain your battery??? I know you Apple guys aren't used to being given choices on your phones but some of us prefer the choice to do things. Also if you've seen, Flash has been running well on people's modern phones and if you don't want it on you have the CHOICE to turn it off and turn it on if you go to a page that's only rendered in Flash or want to see Flash content. Choice is what many of you seem to not enjoy. Sounds like you've been indoctrinated by communists.

Oh, and here I was hoping you would prove Godwin's law so that this thread could officially be declared full of ridiculousness. soooo close.

communists? really?

that is rich, lol

btw, in response to your question, we will have to wait and see if Apple's service-based implementation of multitatsking does better battery management than other phones...

 

[zerocool84]

Oh, and here I was hoping you would prove Godwin's law so that this thread could officially be declared full of ridiculousness. soooo close.

communists? really?

that is rich, lol

btw, in response to your question, we will have to wait and see if Apple's service-based implementation of multitatsking does better battery management than other phones...

As has already said before, it's not true multi-tasking so it should as the iPhone 4 has insane battery life. Oh and Godwin's law is for Hitler or Nazi's which no one likes not even Apple lol.

 

[TheWart]

As has already said before, it's not true multi-tasking so it should as the iPhone 4 has insane battery life. Oh and Godwin's law is for Hitler or Nazi's which no one likes not even Apple lol.

I know, but the mccarthy-esque tactic of labeling someone a communist is pretty close, hahah.

I guess we will have to wait and see how 'true' or not the multitasking is...I think the different services Apple outlined - combined with the catch-all of "frozen state service" - pretty much covers everything one thinks of when it comes to multittasking.

 

[zerocool84]

I know, but the mccarthy-esque tactic of labeling someone a communist is pretty close, hahah.

I guess we will have to wait and see how 'true' or not the multitasking is...I think the different services Apple outlined - combined with the catch-all of "frozen state service" - pretty much covers everything one thinks of when it comes to multittasking.

I'm really interested in seeing how their multi-tasking works in day to day use and if it works out real well we all know others will be adopting it as well.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

As has already said before, it's not true multi-tasking so it should as the iPhone 4 has insane battery life. Oh and Godwin's law is for Hitler or Nazi's which no one likes not even Apple lol.

The funny thing is Android doesn't have true multitasking either. You aren't given a choice to exit half the applications. Why is the first app Android users get a Task Killer?

Apple may not have true multitasking, but what they have put forth in iOS4 is actually better IMO compared to what Android 2.1 has at the moment.

Both OSes claim to know what you NEED to do and will load and unload apps for you. If it were truly about exiting apps, you would use Symbian. There is no doubt about it that the OS has full blown multitasking. I guess you could say WebOS has it too, but Android and iOS are nothing close to spectacular when it comes to Multitasking.

However, it does what it needs to do right? And with iOS4, I think Apple is close enough to getting it right in the multitasking department.

BTW you have to admit Android is a power hog. I know it too. As an S60 user before, how does Symbian offer full blown multitasking, allow you to leave your IM app open all day long and still get better battery life than an Android phone? Hmm? Apple knows that to implement some flashy OS like Android, Apple iPhone OS needs to save battery where it can. To be honest, the iPhone's what.. 900mAh battery does quite well against the Droid and N1's 1400mAh batteries. Optimization of the OS and stuff is key. I mean these are HUGE batteries. Ask the S60 users using a N97 or Omnia HD which have 1500mAh batteries. They are going for days. Have I gone for days with my Droid/Milestone? Never...

The limitations were a PITA in OS1, and OS2 made a huge difference. OS3 and OS4 are way better and it's at a point where we can say that the iPhone is quite capable. You can't possibly get a phone like the iPhone with such a form factor without a small battery. If Steve Jobs went ahead and shot for a 11mm phone (which I think he should've done), he could've slapped a fatter battery in. At what point do you say enough is enough in terms of thinness? The iPhone was nice. The Nexus One was on the slim side, but that was 11mm. Now a 9mm phone? Jeez, and I thought the Samsung Galaxy's 9.9mm was a bit on the thin side and hard to handle. At what point is too small too small?

 

[dwell]

What's the difference between being given the ability to use Flash and have it drain your battery or the difference between given the ability to stream music all day or watch videos and have that drain your battery??? I know you Apple guys aren't used to being given choices on your phones but some of us prefer the choice to do things. Also if you've seen, Flash has been running well on people's modern phones and if you don't want it on you have the CHOICE to turn it off and turn it on if you go to a page that's only rendered in Flash or want to see Flash content. Choice is what many of you seem to not enjoy. Sounds like you've been indoctrinated by communists.

If you "Android guys" are given so much choice and openess, why do so many Android owners turn to rooting their devices?

 

[zsdersw]

And MS is about to put out an OS, Windows Phone 7, that will lack many of the things already seen on previous Windows Mobile phones, Android and iOS. Apple had to start from scratch in creating a phone and touch interface that was intuitive and worked well. If nothing else, Microsoft's Windows Mobile has shown that just because it works, doesn't mean it works well, when creating a mobile OS. That's why they are creating a new OS with a new interface and because of the amount of work they have to do are leaving out certain features like "copy and paste" for now.

WP7 won't be any better upon initial release than the iPhone was back in 2007. It also won't be fawned over and glorified like everything Apple is by its cadre of fanatics, either. That's the key difference. No other tech company comes closer to deity status than Apple.

The expectations game doesn't play out well for Apple. They're expected to get it right on the first try. Microsoft isn't.

Also, for all of the complaints about how closed it is, it does what 95% of users need it to do. I mean, what exactly do you use your smart phone for that isn't possible on the iPhone? I like my PC. I started out on a Mac nearly two decades ago. That was my first ever home computer. But along the way I had to migrate to a more open system. So I understand the complaint about open and closed systems. However, the smart phone front is a different market. What doesn't work as well on the desktop where we have nearly unlimited power (both CPU horsepower and electricity) doesn't mean it won't work on the mobile front where we have to do a balancing act on how powerful the system can be to avoid it being too much of a battery hog as well as size constraints. It's a different market.

Whether it's a PC or a smartphone, closed systems are merely a way to extract more money from those who either don't know better or are apathetic to alternatives. "Doing what most users need it to do" is nice, but when you're forced into doing things one company's way (as you are with Apple and will be with WP7), you can very easily become financially locked into staying with them and surrender a portion of your freedom and independence.

Ignorance may be bliss, but that doesn't mean it's not ignorant.

It is arguable that there are just as many Android fanboys. Hell, all I've read about the HTC EVO was how much more it was better than the iPhone. In all honesty, it's a nice phone. Is it that much better than the iPhone? No. Not in my opinion, and it is only my opinion. Again, the EVO is a nice phone but it does have its negatives on top of its positives. But if you listen to the fanboys it crushes the iPhone and there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever.

Given the prevalence of the iPhone and Android (even adding in those with Blackberries or other phone OSs who want to switch to Android), I very much doubt there's as many Android fanboys. The level of noise is always high near and just after a new product launch, so I wouldn't use the fanaticism toward the EVO as the yardstick by which the size of the Android fanboy population is measured.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

If you "Android guys" are given so much choice and openess, why do so many Android owners turn to rooting their devices?

Send me facts on the number of Android users that are rooting their phones vs those users just using their phones. Or are you basing this on the number of posters here?

 

[mosco]

Send me facts on the number of Android users that are rooting their phones vs those users just using their phones. Or are you basing this on the number of posters here?

Whatever the number is, I am guessing its going to go up once everyone realizes that Verizon probably isn't going to let Froyo through with its tethering function.

 

[dwell]

Send me facts on the number of Android users that are rooting their phones vs those users just using their phones. Or are you basing this on the number of posters here?

I'll do that as soon as you send me facts on how many iPhone users are really broken up about Flash not being on iOS.

 

[CombatChuk]

As a guy who just sold his Nexus One (for 475 so a nice rake in) and is getting a new iPhone 4 let me tell you why I did it. A lot of it was due to work. Keep in mind I had it up and running with Android 2.2/Froyo

1. Incomplete Microsoft Exchange Support, when Android 2.1 first came out it was touted with Exchange support. Problem was it didn't sync with your calendars and the contacts syncing was subpar. 2.2/Froyo fixed the calendar syncing and contacts half assness. However, Google does not include licensing for ActiveSync to a Microsoft Exchange 2007; I bet that's because Google doesn't charge anything for Android and you would pay a fee for each phone sells. The stock Android App can work with newer exchange servers but if those servers require any security (such as remote wipe, pattern lock) you're out of luck. You can buy NitroDesk's touchdown program for 20 bucks which includes the licensing so it can support those security features. It works, but I much prefer the stock app as touchdown . The iPhone's email app works flawlessly with any exchange.

2. 802.1x authentication, Android 2.2 add support for PEAP so this feature should work. However it does not. No one really knows why this is not authenticating correctly, the wireless controller my work uses shows a successful authentication but it cannot connect to it. Since this is a Android 2.2 feature there hasn't been much talk to it, but again this works find on any iPhone.

3. Battery life, My Nexus one running push with touchdown and listening to Pandora never lasted a working day. It would be close to 7 hours before it would be completely dead. The Multitasking feature of Android was the one that brought me to Android. However it is such a battery killer. Whenever I'd open Pandora it would open up the Amazon MP3 store with it (I'm assuming so it's readily available when you want to buy a song you heard on Pandora). It would constantly run even after I exited Pandora, the only way I could end it was going in to the built in task manager deep in the settings to kill it. Apple is correct in stating multitasking is a battery killer...

I think Android has potiential, but it's still maybe a year or two away (now that google announced software updates are going to be once a year a la Apple). Google really needs to look into developing more of the enterprise features (.1x and Exchange) since more companies are looking into the viability of the Android platform for them. Google should also look into making multitasking more efficient, perhaps finally admit that a task manager widget would be helpful in the short term. The Hardware is definetly there, HTC is the premier manufacturer for Android my Nexus One I thought was built better than my iPhone 3G. I still have yet to hold a iPhone 4 but it appears that HTC will have to step it up again and be more consistent with build quality. The Nexus One feels solid, the Droid Incredible feels too plasticky and hollow. The EVO is somewhere in between

 

[cheezy321]

This OP has descended to the following:

1. The OP is grasping at straws, so now he wants to get into a philosophical conversation about 'open' vs. 'closed' Operating systems
2. How much he hate's fanboys

Little does he know how terrible his actual arguments are. All of them have been thoroughly de-bunked, yet here he still is grandstanding like anything he says has any validity.

Heaven forbid a company like Apple wants to make money! THOSE BASTARDS!

 

[akugami]

WP7 won't be any better upon initial release than the iPhone was back in 2007. It also won't be fawned over and glorified like everything Apple is by its cadre of fanatics, either. That's the key difference. No other tech company comes closer to deity status than Apple.

The expectations game doesn't play out well for Apple. They're expected to get it right on the first try. Microsoft isn't.

Your little "consider this" has proven to be mostly meritless and more opinion than anything. So now you're switching arguments and judging people because they like the products from Company X? What does it matter to you if some people drool over the iPhone? What does it matter to you how someone spends their money so long as they're getting satisfaction? Is it any worse than the EVO (or Android in general) worship that I've been seeing?

Ask MS or Google or any other company and they all wish they had fanatical followers like those Apple has. It's a plus, business wise, that Apple has created such a following and actually would point to Apple having done a good job of creating products people want.

Whether it's a PC or a smartphone, closed systems are merely a way to extract more money from those who either don't know better or are apathetic to alternatives. "Doing what most users need it to do" is nice, but when you're forced into doing things one company's way (as you are with Apple and will be with WP7), you can very easily become financially locked into staying with them and surrender a portion of your freedom and independence.

Ignorance may be bliss, but that doesn't mean it's not ignorant.

Are you trying to imply that just cause we like the iPhone and don't mind the gated community Apple has built that we are ignorant? If you are, that's a load of bull.

We've had closed systems for many decades now and many of these closed systems fare just fine. All game consoles are closed systems. Apple's iPhone, while not cheap, is certainly in line with previous high end phones. I remember paying $400-800 for Nokia phones back before the iPhone was even known to exist. Just because there are equally capable phones out there for a cheaper price does mean that the iPhone might not be the best value but it's not like Apple priced their phones above and beyond what was the norm for high end cell phones. So how is that Apple extracting more money from those who don't know better when their prices are in line with how the rest of the industry prices their phones?

Hell, I believe Nokia was selling the N97 for about the same price as an unsubsidized iPhone but the iPhone is so much better than the N97 it's not even funny. Care to call Nokia a money grubbing company setting out to extract every last penny from the "ignorant"?

And your point #2 was about how Apple's iPhones lacked certain functionality when it was first put out. I pointed out that Apple has steadily improved the iPhone and that as it is today, it's quite a capable system. I also pointed out that Windows Phone 7 is going to lack certain functionality that can be considered basic. Features don't automagically appear. Someone has to code it in and get it bug tested. There are also certain trade offs when balancing what can reasonably be put into a mobile system vs resources available to implement the features or the cost to put it in.

Yes, the iPhone is a closed system but I dare say it still satisfies the needs of 95% of users of mobile smartphones. You in turn change the argument to calling Apple money grubbers out to fleece the sheep with overpriced hardware.

Given the prevalence of the iPhone and Android (even adding in those with Blackberries or other phone OSs who want to switch to Android), I very much doubt there's as many Android fanboys. The level of noise is always high near and just after a new product launch, so I wouldn't use the fanaticism toward the EVO as the yardstick by which the size of the Android fanboy population is measured.

Nevertheless they exist. There's people fawning over the EVO. You chose to crusade against Apple and iPhone users and yet you excuse the same fanboy attitude from Android users. Double standard much?

Well, I tried to be serious in countering your points but I guess since they lacked substance you've had to change your arguments. I'd say the change in arguments wipe out what little credibility you had in the beginning of this thread. There are a lot of valid criticisms of the iPhone. You went the tired "iSheep" and "Apple is greedy and puts out overpriced junk" route when your other arguments were poked full of holes.

 

[QueBert]

I own an Android phone, will be getting an iPhone 4, and I own an iPod Touch & picked up a Zune HD today. I'm having inner-self fanboy wars inside my body right now.

 

[zsdersw]

Your little "consider this" has proven to be mostly meritless and more opinion than anything. So now you're switching arguments and judging people because they like the products from Company X? What does it matter to you if some people drool over the iPhone? What does it matter to you how someone spends their money so long as they're getting satisfaction? Is it any worse than the EVO (or Android in general) worship that I've been seeing?

What does it matter to you what matters to me? Worship of a product or the company that makes it is never good, but none stand out more in the tech world than Apple and iPhone fanatics.

Ask MS or Google or any other company and they all wish they had fanatical followers like those Apple has. It's a plus, business wise, that Apple has created such a following and actually would point to Apple having done a good job of creating products people want.

Apple took one route to profitability while MS, Google, and others took the other route. There's room for both, to be sure, but that isn't a pass for fanaticism.

The "gated community" of Apple lends itself more toward blind acceptance and suspension of criticism than any other approach to business.

Are you trying to imply that just cause we like the iPhone and don't mind the gated community Apple has built that we are ignorant? If you are, that's a load of bull.

I wouldn't say you're ignorant, but I would say you're apathetic to the alternatives.. which is the other part of what I said that you conveniently ignored.

We've had closed systems for many decades now and many of these closed systems fare just fine. All game consoles are closed systems. Apple's iPhone, while not cheap, is certainly in line with previous high end phones. I remember paying $400-800 for Nokia phones back before the iPhone was even known to exist. Just because there are equally capable phones out there for a cheaper price does mean that the iPhone might not be the best value but it's not like Apple priced their phones above and beyond what was the norm for high end cell phones. So how is that Apple extracting more money from those who don't know better when their prices are in line with how the rest of the industry prices their phones?

It's not really the phones as much it is everything else: apps, accessories, service. You're pretty much locked into Apple.

Hell, I believe Nokia was selling the N97 for about the same price as an unsubsidized iPhone but the iPhone is so much better than the N97 it's not even funny. Care to call Nokia a money grubbing company setting out to extract every last penny from the "ignorant"?

Anyone who paid significant $ for the N97 is ignorant and Nokia certainly capitalized on it, so yes, Nokia is another money-grubbing company set on extracting every last penny from the ignorant.

And your point #2 was about how Apple's iPhones lacked certain functionality when it was first put out. I pointed out that Apple has steadily improved the iPhone and that as it is today, it's quite a capable system. I also pointed out that Windows Phone 7 is going to lack certain functionality that can be considered basic. Features don't automagically appear. Someone has to code it in and get it bug tested. There are also certain trade offs when balancing what can reasonably be put into a mobile system vs resources available to implement the features or the cost to put it in.

What's your point?

Yes, the iPhone is a closed system but I dare say it still satisfies the needs of 95% of users of mobile smartphones. You in turn change the argument to calling Apple money grubbers out to fleece the sheep with overpriced hardware.

Not just hardware, accessories and other services.

Nevertheless they exist. There's people fawning over the EVO. You chose to crusade against Apple and iPhone users and yet you excuse the same fanboy attitude from Android users. Double standard much?

I don't excuse any fanboy behavior. I merely pointed out that Apple/iPhone fanboys still significantly outnumber Android fanboys.

Well, I tried to be serious in countering your points but I guess since they lacked substance you've had to change your arguments. I'd say the change in arguments wipe out what little credibility you had in the beginning of this thread. There are a lot of valid criticisms of the iPhone. You went the tired "iSheep" and "Apple is greedy and puts out overpriced junk" route when your other arguments were poked full of holes.

Here... I think it's ready for you:

 

[zsdersw]

This OP has descended to the following:

1. The OP is grasping at straws, so now he wants to get into a philosophical conversation about 'open' vs. 'closed' Operating systems
2. How much he hate's fanboys

Little does he know how terrible his actual arguments are. All of them have been thoroughly de-bunked, yet here he still is grandstanding like anything he says has any validity.

Heaven forbid a company like Apple wants to make money! THOSE BASTARDS!

While you, on the other hand, continue to post in this thread only to complain about it.

 

[dwell]

Nevertheless they exist. There's people fawning over the EVO.

LOL. When Michael Arrington, the biggest Android fanboy on the planet, urges people NOT to buy the EVO. lulz all around.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/09/dont-buy-the-android-evo-it-is-a-seriously-flawed-device/