iPhone 4: Consider the following...

[QueBert]

Yup, and you and your 11 friends are a representative cross-section of iPhone users.

Batteries die sooner or later, with that said my iPod Touch 1G was bought the week it came out and the batteries still working in it. I just sold my 1G iPhone which never had a battery problem. I know dozens of people with iPhones, and while I haven't asked each one. Nobody has told me they'd had a battery problem. And that would be something you'd hear about because people like to bitch. I've charged my Touch hundreds of times from near dead level and it's still good. The irony in this rant you're on about the battery, over the years I've owned dozens of different cell phones. I had a battery die on a Motorola. I guess that means Motorola sucks right?

I know my dozens of friends don't represent this "cross-section" you mentioned. I Googled 'iPhone battery problems' and didn't see anything. Care to show me your obviously well researched data that lead you to your conclusion. Because I'm sure you're not simply talking out of your ass...

 

[SN4p]

Before you genuflect to Steve Jobs and Apple and get forever distracted by the shiny objects they dangle in front of you, please... Consider the Following:

1. The battery remains non-user-replaceable. Never had to replace a battery.

2. Highly capable hardware remains limited by the software/OS; you must wait for updates to enable features the phone was always capable of. Everything is caught up with the new phone.

3. You're still stuck with AT&T as your only option. Happens with other phones too, AT&T service is pretty decent all things considered.

Thank you for joining me on Consider the Following.

The real question, why do you give a shit if you hate the phone? Just let other people go on about there business rather than trying to start arguments on the internet.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yup, and you and your 11 friends are a representative cross-section of iPhone users.

My friends and myself have never had any issues with the battery either.

Please troll less...

 

[Deeko]

Wait, Apple forcing you to use their app store exclusively is a "safeguard"? For Jobs' wallet, perhaps.. but not for the consumer. "For one reason or another" is entirely where these differences exist.

Neither Google nor the manufacturer nor the carrier makes or loses any money off of you fiddling with the Android OS to enhance or add a feature (assuming you don't break it). The same cannot be said of Apple and their app store enforcement.

People jailbreak for a lot of reasons, just like people root for a lot of reasons. If you are rooting to get access to wifi tethering....erm, yea sport, you are in fact doing something that the carrier doesn't want. Meanwhile, if you're jailbreaking an iPhone to get multitasking, you aren't costing Apple any money.

It doesn't matter how you justify one vs the other. In the end, you're doing the same thing - circumventing something deliberately put in place to stop you from doing something on the phone.

I never said there hasn't. Do you get that?

Of course they limited the software. Apple wants you to use their stuff and their formats only. Flash is a key example.

No it's not.

So what you're saying is you are trolling with the copy/paste stuff then. You're going on and on about how Apple denied this "core computing function" in a thread that's intended to show what's still wrong with the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 has copy/paste. So you're just trolling, is what you're saying.

Flash is not on WebOS, it is not on the vast majority of Android phones (and the support is brand new on those that have it), and only Flash Lite is on Windows Mobile. So while yes, Apple is in fact limiting flash, that is not a case where the competition has been so open and accommodating all this time, whereas Apple has been limiting.

The Flash debate is also a completely different point from your copy/paste-esque argument, so its nice to see you are side stepping. Keep trollin', kid.

 

[secretanchitman]

my dads original iphone, my (now sold) 3GS, my brothers 3GS, and his wifes original iphone have had zero problems with the battery...however, getting back to the op:

1: ive never had to use a spare battery before, nor have i bought one. i could care less about making them non user-replaceable - if you get a lot more battery life out of it, im all for it. so far, the iphone has gotten a LOT more battery life than any other dumb or smartphone ive owned.

2: what do you honestly want it to do? if you really dont like what apple has done or you really cant wait for some specific feature/app/tweak, either jailbreak or go to another platform. i jailbroke my 3GS and couldnt be any happier. yes, i could also live without the jailbreak - its not like my phone will suddenly be useless to me.

3: good thing at&t is fine for me in my area/wherever i travel to. i know people who despise at&t, but then i also know people who despise the other carriers too because their area doesnt have coverage. what can you do besides wait or go to another carrier/phone?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

1. The battery remains non-user-replaceable.

2. Highly capable hardware remains limited by the software/OS; you must wait for updates to enable features the phone was always capable of.

3. You're still stuck with AT&T as your only option.

Thank you for joining me on Consider the Following.

1) Yeah. That's a PITA. But I have a case on my Droid/Milestone where I don't swap batteries anyway. I used to on my N-series. If you charge everyday for a year, your Li-Ion battery will be about 80% of where it is originally. By then the new iPhone will be out and you will want it.

The point is by the time your battery is unusable and can't hold a charge, you'll be moving on. The iPhone combines many battery saving features to squeeze as much juice out of it. You'd be surprised how small the battery is compared to a Nexus One and yet the devices can last just about as long as each other. In fact, I just went on a road trip. I probably did more surfing/browsing/tweeting than my friend did but he went 2 days with his 3GS. It dropped to 15%. I charged my Milestone (GSM Droid) the first night and the 2nd day I was down to 10% around midnight. He was at 15% after TWO days. Granted I used my phone a LOT more than he did, but I would probably only be able to squeeze 2 days with limited use. Isn't it like 900mAh vs 1400 mAh? The Droid definitely does not go 50% longer.... LOL.

2) Uhhh... I think the phone is capable enough. You can make arguments on ANY platform about limitations. iPhone 2G was seriously limited. 3G was somewhat limited. the 3GS made jailbreaking almost unecessary, and the 4th iPhone really seals the deal almost unless you want to skin and pirate your butt off with Installous.

3) And if I want a Droid? I'm stuck with Verizon. If I want an Incredible? Stuck with VZW. Evo? Sprint. America has always been about the carrier not the phone. The iPhone is like any carrier locked phone around the world. It can be unlocked and then you can carry it to a GSM carrier. At least it's a GSM device and you can swap SIM cards.

Let's see you try to take your Verizon device to Asia or Europe and use their networks.... No, not to roam, but to actually stick a SIM in like I would with an iPhone or my Android phone. Oh wait. Good luck.

While the iPhone is tied to AT&T on a contract, there exists an unlocked market for this. See if you can use any VZW or Sprint phone on each other's network? Good luck.

Since when did rooting not void an Android phone's warranty?

I thought you can unroot... just like you unJB. I suppose then they won't know so your warranty is still intact? But certainly, if you took a phone in with a JB screen or a Root access screen open, they won't service you.. I'm pretty sure

 

[Wreckem]

For all the bitching about copy and paste in this thread, currently, until Gingerbread, iOS is better at copy and paste than stock android. Period. End of story. The iPhone didnt ship feature complete, nor has Android. Android still lacks in certain areas. So does the iPhone.

As for non replaceable batteries. Its unimportant on any smart phone made today, unless it runs android because all androids get worse battery life than all the other smartphones from Apple, RIM, or anyone that runs current versions of Symbian.

Fortunately I live in Texas. Where both Sprint and AT&T have stellar networks, so AT&T isnt a con.

 

[Phobic9]

Never thought I'd see the day where phone manufacturers & cell phone providers had fanboy armies to rival those of the PS3/Xbox 360/Wii. :awe:


I mean, really?

 

[QueBert]

As for non replaceable batteries. Its unimportant on any smart phone made today, unless it runs android because all androids get worse battery life than all the other smartphones from Apple, RIM, or anyone that runs current versions of Symbian.

To be fair, Androids get better battery life than uhhh Palm's Pre, hay it's better than nothing

 

[tfinch2]

Thanks zsdersw. This thread has enlightened me.

I wasn't aware that the A4 processor had instructions specifically for copy/paste.

:awe:

 

[akugami]

1. The battery remains non-user-replaceable.

I'm on an original iPhone. I have friends with 3G and 3GS's. My original iPhone is still running strong. There are places you can go to get yours replaced if necessary. Basically unless your battery was faulty, it shouldn't matter.

If you need longer battery life, there are extended battery pack/cases.

And you don't need to go to Apple to get your battery replaced. There are 3rd party repair shops.

2. Highly capable hardware remains limited by the software/OS; you must wait for updates to enable features the phone was always capable of.

Correct me if I'm wrong, even Android phones need the latest OS to enable the latest features. If you bought a decent phone, hardware wise, but it's running an older version of Android you will have hit the same "highly capable hardware remains limited by the software/OS" complaint.

Others have made valid arguments on why your point #2 lacks substance. I know you keep arguing it but anyone who is truly impartial can see it's just splitting hairs.

3. You're still stuck with AT&T as your only option.

Thank you for joining me on Consider the Following.

Only if you want 3G internet but I've been using my iPhone on T-Mobile. I am considering changing to AT&T to get the latest iPhone though.

I care, greatly, no way I am going to purchase a device with a battery that I can't replace myself. Especially since Apple batteries usually die around ~18 months. The iPhone 4 may have a larger battery, but it remains to be seen what its actually battery life will be. All we have are Apple's marketing, dubious at best.

Ummm...are you trying to imply that the batteries Apple buys and uses are designed to fail at about 18 months? Or are you implying that whoever made Apple's batteries have poorly implemented tech that only lasts about 18 months? Apple doesn't make or manufacture the batteries. They buy it. Hell, Apple is probably using batteries from some of the same guys making batteries for Android phones.

Very true, Android 1.0 was very rough around the edges. The difference between Android and iOS? Android has grown, polished itself, and added a plethora of new features and capabilities. iOS is still just as locked down and limited as it ever was.

So you're saying that each incarnation of the iPhone OS or iOS as it is now know added zero benefits? I hope you're not serious.

1)2) Uhhh... I think the phone is capable enough. You can make arguments on ANY platform about limitations. iPhone 2G was seriously limited. 3G was somewhat limited. the 3GS made jailbreaking almost unecessary, and the 4th iPhone really seals the deal almost unless you want to skin and pirate your butt off with Installous.

Actually I'm contemplating getting an iPhone 4G but jailbreaking it when available so I can get free tethering. Which means I don't want AT&T telling me how to use the data I paid for.

 

[zerocool84]

Just like with anything, it's user preference. Just like some people could care less about multi-tasking, some people could care less about user replaceable batteries.

I for one always have a spare battery in my car just in case I need it as I'm a heavy user and always on the go and always don't have time to recharge my battery and don't want any external battery pack that makes the phone larger.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Hmmm, is fanboy A worse than fanboy B?

 

[TheWart]

Hmmm, is fanboy A worse than fanboy B?

noob!

Fanboy C's superfast gigamegaflopshurtz beats both of them hands down!

 

[Pliablemoose]

noob!

Fanboy C's superfast gigamegaflopshurtz beats both of them hands down!

But the incremental upgrade that can be applied if you reverse spiral company X's OS makes it twice as super fast. And I'm like really really cool with that.

All that being said, here's a pic of me at an Android party, the one that JS80 won the EVO @... (I'm in the green scrubs)

http://www.absolutelyandroid.com/htc-la-a-geek-party/comment-page-1/

And to think I'm an Apple fanboy, it's a wonder I wasn't killed by the HTC reps.

I did get some funny looks when I drug out my iPad, for some reason my N1 wouldn't load pages in the browser, but I could tether to the iPad with it.

 

[TheWart]

But the incremental upgrade that can be applied if you reverse spiral company X's OS makes it twice as super fast. And I'm like really really cool with that.

All that being said, here's a pic of me at an Android party, the one that JS80 won the EVO @... (I'm in the green scrubs)

http://www.absolutelyandroid.com/htc-la-a-geek-party/comment-page-1/

And to think I'm an Apple fanboy, it's a wonder I wasn't killed by the HTC reps.

I did get some funny looks when I drug out my iPad, for some reason my N1 wouldn't load pages in the browser, but I could tether to the iPad with it.

haha nice

Cool tech is cool tech!

 

[CTrain]

This is amusing.
You guys have kept this nonsenses going for 4 pages.
Stop feeding the troll.

 

[0roo0roo]

Before you genuflect to Steve Jobs and Apple and get forever distracted by the shiny objects they dangle in front of you, please... Consider the Following:

1. The battery remains non-user-replaceable.

2. Highly capable hardware remains limited by the software/OS; you must wait for updates to enable features the phone was always capable of.

3. You're still stuck with AT&T as your only option.

Thank you for joining me on Consider the Following.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/
just watch the video lol

 

[zsdersw]

Batteries die sooner or later, with that said my iPod Touch 1G was bought the week it came out and the batteries still working in it. I just sold my 1G iPhone which never had a battery problem. I know dozens of people with iPhones, and while I haven't asked each one. Nobody has told me they'd had a battery problem. And that would be something you'd hear about because people like to bitch. I've charged my Touch hundreds of times from near dead level and it's still good. The irony in this rant you're on about the battery, over the years I've owned dozens of different cell phones. I had a battery die on a Motorola. I guess that means Motorola sucks right?

I know my dozens of friends don't represent this "cross-section" you mentioned. I Googled 'iPhone battery problems' and didn't see anything. Care to show me your obviously well researched data that lead you to your conclusion. Because I'm sure you're not simply talking out of your ass...

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/overheating-iphones/

 

[zsdersw]

People jailbreak for a lot of reasons, just like people root for a lot of reasons. If you are rooting to get access to wifi tethering....erm, yea sport, you are in fact doing something that the carrier doesn't want. Meanwhile, if you're jailbreaking an iPhone to get multitasking, you aren't costing Apple any money.

It doesn't matter how you justify one vs the other. In the end, you're doing the same thing - circumventing something deliberately put in place to stop you from doing something on the phone.

Android phones aren't deliberately "bricked" by updates like Apple did with jailbroken iPhones.

Flash is not on WebOS, it is not on the vast majority of Android phones (and the support is brand new on those that have it), and only Flash Lite is on Windows Mobile. So while yes, Apple is in fact limiting flash, that is not a case where the competition has been so open and accommodating all this time, whereas Apple has been limiting.

The Flash debate is also a completely different point from your copy/paste-esque argument, so its nice to see you are side stepping. Keep trollin', kid.

Apple is outright opposed to Flash, no one else is.

 

[zsdersw]

Thanks zsdersw. This thread has enlightened me.

I wasn't aware that the A4 processor had instructions specifically for copy/paste.

:awe:

You fail at reading.

 

[dwell]

Apple is outright opposed to Flash, no one else is.

Except for end users.

 

[zsdersw]

Except for end users.

Most end users don't know what's Flash and what isn't. They think of it as video or advertisements, not "oh, that's Flash" or "oh, that's Silverlight."

 

[dwell]

Most end users don't know what's Flash and what isn't. They think of it as video or advertisements, not "oh, that's Flash" or "oh, that's Silverlight."

And "oh why does this site run so slow" and "oh why does my battery drain so quick when I play a lot of YouTube videos" and "oh why was my machine hacked due to an 'Adobe vulnerability'".

 

[akugami]

Android phones aren't deliberately "bricked" by updates like Apple did with jailbroken iPhones.

Bricking is a valid concern if you want to jailbreak your iPhone. But most of my complaints about the iPhone have been addressed in iOS 4. In fact, aside from a few minor nitpicks, about the only reason I'd want to JB the iPhone 4 would be because of AT&T double dipping and charging $20 a month for tethering. I'm sure that'll be available for free via JB.

But your original complaint, which was essentially the iPhone OS lacked features that needed to be added in by OS updates, lacked substance since this is true of Android. It'll be true for Windoes Phone 7. It's true for WebOS. While I haven't paid attention to Symbian, I'm sure it's true of that as well.

Apple is outright opposed to Flash, no one else is.

If we're talking about corporations, this is true. MS has actually come out publicly and criticized Flash.

If we're talking about users, a lot don't like Flash. There's a reason why the Firefox add-on Flashblock, which does what its name says, was downloaded over 50 times in the last week.

My experience with Flash is that it's rarely done right. Either it's used in annoying ways as an interface that causes a web site to load slower with no added value in terms of usability or it's used for annoying animated ads. There are Flash games of course but I don't play them.