iPhone 4: Consider the following...

[zsdersw]

Meh. Again, its not a "basic computing function", its a UI feature, and yea, one they should have added earlier, but its totally asinine to try to call that out as a "feature the hardware can do but software can't" as if its somewhat special.

Yes it is a "basic computing function", and yes the hardware can do it but the software wasn't making it available.

I'll defer to iPhone owners for specifics, but I'm pretty sure there are apps out there capable of doing a wider array of formats. And this is another silly attempt to portray a purely software function as a "hardware" feature the software lacks. If they had a built-in hardware divx decoder but no software to use it, that would count in your argument.

The A4 SoC has more GPU capabilities than the limited array of formats available on iTunes would suggest. Transcoding is still often necessary for playback of non-native formats on the iPhone.

 

[SolidSnake42]

I'm curious, how many people actually pay for their own plan monthly with everything they have?

As a side note, just to mention, when an iPhone or iPod Touch does become jailbroken, it does void the warranty, whereas, with Android, without having to root the system, works just as if not better than a jailbroken iPhone, not voiding the warranty. Just thought I'd like to throw out that little bit.

 

[Deeko]

Yes it is a "basic computing function", and yes the hardware can do it but the software wasn't making it available.

The A4 SoC has more GPU capabilities than the limited array of formats available on iTunes would suggest. Transcoding is still often necessary for playback of non-native formats on the iPhone.

You're still splitting hairs on what qualifies as a "hardware function limited by software". The "hardware" of the ARM11 CPU on Android could do Exchange, and didn't, so it fits this stupid criteria too. And again - its a worthless debate anyway, because there has been copy/paste for a year. Do you get that? The iPhone 4 has copy/paste, so how is that relevant to this thread, which is about what the iPhone 4 lacks? Or are you just trying to troll?

Of course the processor is capable of doing more formats, but that doesn't mean they specifically designed the hardware to do something and then limited the software. What formats are missing - and more importantly, what formats are missing that can't be added by an app from the app store & ARE available on Android, Blackberry, WebOS, and WinMo?

Provide explicit examples of said formats as well as the app that will run them on the above platforms. Otherwise - again - your argument is worthless.

I am the last person on these forums to be described as an Apple fanboy or anything like that, but you are quite clearly reaching here, solely for the sake of anti-Apple trolling. You have (at least some) merit with your other two points, but the software one is completely asinine and the sad part is, you know it.

 

[cheezy321]

I'm curious, how many people actually pay for their own plan monthly with everything they have?

As a side note, just to mention, when an iPhone or iPod Touch does become jailbroken, it does void the warranty, whereas, with Android, without having to root the system, works just as if not better than a jailbroken iPhone, not voiding the warranty. Just thought I'd like to throw out that little bit.

Please provide proof that jailbreaking your iphone voids the warranty while rooting a droid does not.

 

[Deeko]

I'm curious, how many people actually pay for their own plan monthly with everything they have?

As a side note, just to mention, when an iPhone or iPod Touch does become jailbroken, it does void the warranty, whereas, with Android, without having to root the system, works just as if not better than a jailbroken iPhone, not voiding the warranty. Just thought I'd like to throw out that little bit.

Since when did rooting not void an Android phone's warranty?

 

[TheWart]

I'm curious, how many people actually pay for their own plan monthly with everything they have?

As a side note, just to mention, when an iPhone or iPod Touch does become jailbroken, it does void the warranty, whereas, with Android, without having to root the system, works just as if not better than a jailbroken iPhone, not voiding the warranty. Just thought I'd like to throw out that little bit.

I am pretty sure if you just go into iTunes and hit "Factory Restore" then Apple won't be able to tell that you jailbroke the phone in the first place.

 

[sourceninja]

I'm curious, how many people actually pay for their own plan monthly with everything they have?

As a side note, just to mention, when an iPhone or iPod Touch does become jailbroken, it does void the warranty, whereas, with Android, without having to root the system, works just as if not better than a jailbroken iPhone, not voiding the warranty. Just thought I'd like to throw out that little bit.

Except for I can't really see a reason to jailbreak in iphone 4. The only reason I jailbroke my iphone 3gs is for backgrounding tasks and tethering.

 

[Deeko]

They're not the same thing. There's a difference between restrictions like using apps outside of those available from Apple's app store and missing-but-coming-soon feature "restrictions" like adding wifi tethering.

No, this is flat out untrue. In both cases you are circumventing safeguards built into the system to do something the carrier/manufacturer/OS doesn't want you to do for one reason or another. You absolutely, positively, cannot argue this. You are wrong.

 

[cheezy321]

Except for I can't really see a reason to jailbreak in iphone 4. The only reason I jailbroke my iphone 3gs is for backgrounding tasks and tethering.

Im going to jailbreak my iPhone 4 to allow tethering. Screw paying $20 extra for that crap

 

[TheWart]

No, this is flat out untrue. In both cases you are circumventing safeguards built into the system to do something the carrier/manufacturer/OS doesn't want you to do for one reason or another. You absolutely, positively, cannot argue this. You are wrong.

I think you have made a valiant effort but it is clear the OP is trolling to spread some good old fashioned FUD...reminds me of the mindless MS bashing during the late 90's.

 

[Cstefan]

Iphone sucks as a phone because of its service, Iphone 4 is on Att. It therefore sucks.

 

[cheezy321]

Iphone sucks as a phone because of its service, Iphone 4 is on Att. It therefore sucks.

Cool story bro.

 

[TheWart]

Iphone sucks as a phone because of its service, Iphone 4 is on Att. It therefore sucks.

Unless of course you live somewhere where AT&T's service performs well...

 

[Capt Caveman]

Before you genuflect to Steve Jobs and Apple and get forever distracted by the shiny objects they dangle in front of you, please... Consider the Following:

1. The battery remains non-user-replaceable.

2. Highly capable hardware remains limited by the software/OS; you must wait for updates to enable features the phone was always capable of.

3. You're still stuck with AT&T as your only option.

Thank you for joining me on Consider the Following.

1. Plenty of external battery options -> nonissue

2. Non-issue

4. AT&T is great in my area

Reported - Thanks for trolling!

 

[zsdersw]

because there has been copy/paste for a year. Do you get that?

I never said there hasn't. Do you get that?

Of course the processor is capable of doing more formats, but that doesn't mean they specifically designed the hardware to do something and then limited the software. What formats are missing - and more importantly, what formats are missing that can't be added by an app from the app store & ARE available on Android, Blackberry, WebOS, and WinMo?

Provide explicit examples of said formats as well as the app that will run them on the above platforms. Otherwise - again - your argument is worthless.

Of course they limited the software. Apple wants you to use their stuff and their formats only. Flash is a key example.

but the software one is completely asinine and the sad part is, you know it.

No it's not.

 

[zsdersw]

No, this is flat out untrue. In both cases you are circumventing safeguards built into the system to do something the carrier/manufacturer/OS doesn't want you to do for one reason or another. You absolutely, positively, cannot argue this. You are wrong.

Wait, Apple forcing you to use their app store exclusively is a "safeguard"? For Jobs' wallet, perhaps.. but not for the consumer. "For one reason or another" is entirely where these differences exist.

Neither Google nor the manufacturer nor the carrier makes or loses any money off of you fiddling with the Android OS to enhance or add a feature (assuming you don't break it). The same cannot be said of Apple and their app store enforcement.

 

[SolidSnake42]

I said outside of rooting... nevermind.

 

[Cstefan]

Cool story bro.

Sorry fanboi. Truth hurts.

 

[cheezy321]

Sorry fanboi. Truth hurts.

Family guy is stupid. Since you have a family guy avatar, you are stupid and dumb and a big fat meanie head.

/Man the view really sucks down here when I get to your level

 

[slag]

Yup, I'm sure the vast majority of users love going to the Apple store to replace a bad battery.

Are you for real? I've owned 2 iphones, have, wait a minute, let me count....11 friends with iphones that I can think of off the top of my head, and none of us, zero, zip, nada, have ever had battery problems. Bad batteries are such a rarity, out of probably 20 different phones I've owned over the years, I've never had a bad battery..

Never.

 

[zsdersw]

Are you for real? I've owned 2 iphones, have, wait a minute, let me count....11 friends with iphones that I can think of off the top of my head, and none of us, zero, zip, nada, have ever had battery problems. Bad batteries are such a rarity, out of probably 20 different phones I've owned over the years, I've never had a bad battery..

Never.

Yup, and you and your 11 friends are a representative cross-section of iPhone users.

 

[zerocool84]

Sigh not another one of these threads.

 

[cheezy321]

Yup, and you and your 11 friends are a representative cross-section of iPhone users.

Well ill chime in too. I have owned 2 iPhone (2G 4GB & 2G 8GB) and I know around 15 people with iPhones and NONE of them have had their battery replaced. A lot of them have had the iPhone as long as me too.

Now we are up to 28 iPhones. How big of a sample size do you need? Or do you want to continue spouting off your ignorant bullshit?

 

[jalaram]

Yup, and you and your 11 friends are a representative cross-section of iPhone users.

How many of your friends have had issues with their iPhone battery and hated the fact that they had to go to the Apple store? Can you give a better cross section?

 

[sourceninja]

For the record my iphone 3G and iphone 3GS have never had battery life issues. I got both on launch.