intel's newest 2013-2014 roadmap

[LogOver]

"New" is that we see no desktop(Haswell equivalent) and no server 14nm product listed for 2014.

I says noting about 14 nm. desktop processor in 2014. The only conclusion you can probably draw from this roadmap that there will no 14nm LGA parts in 2014. Desktop (BGA) Broadwell might be still available from OEMs in pre-configured systems and all-in-ones in 2014.

 

[frozentundra123456]

VR-Zone I would guess. Nowhere does that slide say Intel on it or have any copyright notices. That right there should tell you it's fake.

Now that I look more closely, even the title of the slide seems clumsily written

"Roadmap Direction"--- why would they not just say roadmap or some other term.

I am not saying when Intel desktop will go to 14nm. It may not be in 2014. All I am saying is that that slide does seem bogus.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Broadwell is BGA/laptop only. Don't you guys get it? This is an LGA roadmap, so obviously no Broadwell/14nm will be on it.

 

[mikk]

Broadwell is BGA/laptop only. Don't you guys get it? This is an LGA roadmap, so obviously no Broadwell/14nm will be on it.

I guess some don't learn. We can repeat the same over and over again, they don't get it.

 

[Abwx]

Broadwell is BGA/laptop only. Don't you guys get it? This is an LGA roadmap, so obviously no Broadwell/14nm will be on it.

I guess some don't learn. We can repeat the same over and over again, they don't get it.

It is written DT roadmap , not LGA roadmap ,
BGA is at the bottom of the slide , for the rest
mikk is right , it s not easy to get it.....

 

[StinkyPinky]

This is what happens when a company has no competition in the desktop space. They simply can coast along and sell whatever they want simply because there is no alternative. This is why I never understand Intel/AMD fanboys...

You can bet your bottom dollar if AMD somehow pulled out a good desktop CPU out of their ass then Intel would suddenly find some extra performance.

I'm feeling rather disillusioned about desktop computing. Both CPU's and GPU's aren't really making the gains they used to. I'm a very sad panda.

 

[Torn Mind]

Probably very similar to what AMD is doing with Richland (same physical chip but better power characteristics/turbo and higher speeds) though I expect intel to do slightly more.

Haha, I seriously think the speed bump is probably 100 Mhz for the 4770K. Doesn't seem like Haswell can increase its clocks as easily as the Bulldozer architecture while staying in spec.

 

[erunion]

let me predict the future. In 2014 the AMD crowd will predict the demise of Intel because broadwell is mobile only. In 2015 the AMD crowd will predict intel's demise because skylake DT is a SoC.

 

[Torn Mind]

This is what happens when a company has no competition in the desktop space. They simply can coast along and sell whatever they want simply because there is no alternative. This is why I never understand Intel/AMD fanboys...

You can bet your bottom dollar if AMD somehow pulled out a good desktop CPU out of their ass then Intel would suddenly find some extra performance.

I'm feeling rather disillusioned about desktop computing. Both CPU's and GPU's aren't really making the gains they used to. I'm a very sad panda.

They might care a little more, but the money is in mobile products and hordes of consumers there and both companies would ultimately be foolish in turning a blind eye to that market(and they were indeed guilty of this).

 

[lagokc]

I'm feeling rather disillusioned about desktop computing. Both CPU's and GPU's aren't really making the gains they used to. I'm a very sad panda.

On the other hand, if desktop CPUs and GPUs stay stagnant for another 2-3 years gaming laptops will finally have time to catch up

 

[Vesku]

If true, would answer my question of why there was no 100-200MHz base clock bump for Haswell to make it more compelling. Saving it for the refresh.

 

[Hulk]

You can bet your bottom dollar if AMD somehow pulled out a good desktop CPU out of their ass then Intel would suddenly find some extra performance.

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While I admit to being somewhat of an Intel fanboy (based on the Core architecture primarily) there is much truth in this statement.

 

[LogOver]

It is written DT roadmap , not LGA roadmap ,
BGA is at the bottom of the slide , for the rest
mikk is right , it s not easy to get it.....

Right, the subject says so, but you have no way to know if this specific slide is not taken out of context... from some ppt which contains additional slides with the same subject... assuming that this is not fake.
Any way, the actual "Haswell" line clearly states Mainstream LGA 1150 socket

 

[Ajay]

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Looking at the legend it seems no 14nm products in 2014... We will have Haswell's refresh and Haswell-E in server segment to replace IB-E.

Haswell-E has bounced between 2014 and 2015 several times. Either there are allot of fake 'roadmaps' out there or Intel's new Management are making some changes.

Weird that the Haswell 'refresh' will still get the series 9 chipset originally set for Broadwell. Why would they need a new chipset for a measly clock boost

Geez, the past month has been confusing I guess I'm need to wait till the next time Intel officially releases a new roadmap. The rumor mill is in overdrive.

 

[ShintaiDK]

VR-Zone I would guess. Nowhere does that slide say Intel on it or have any copyright notices. That right there should tell you it's fake.

You killed the drama

Its amazing how little sense of source critisism people got these days. You can make them believe anything.

 

[AtenRa]

VR-Zone I would guess. Nowhere does that slide say Intel on it or have any copyright notices. That right there should tell you it's fake.

I guess that slide is also fake, I don’t see any Intel or copyrights.

Wait, what's that in the bottom of the slide??? I don’t suppose you thought the slide may be cropped for obvious reasons.

 

[Sable]

MORE from Chinese vr-zone. Definitely real.

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/60095/ha...ddr4-memory-supposed-arrive-2014-q4-04192013/

 

[2is]

This is what happens when a company has no competition in the desktop space. They simply can coast along and sell whatever they want simply because there is no alternative. This is why I never understand Intel/AMD fanboys...

You can bet your bottom dollar if AMD somehow pulled out a good desktop CPU out of their ass then Intel would suddenly find some extra performance.

I'm feeling rather disillusioned about desktop computing. Both CPU's and GPU's aren't really making the gains they used to. I'm a very sad panda.

The desktop market dwindling I'm sure has something to do with it also.

 

[MisterMac]

This is what happens when a company has no competition in the desktop space. They simply can coast along and sell whatever they want simply because there is no alternative. This is why I never understand Intel/AMD fanboys...

You can bet your bottom dollar if AMD somehow pulled out a good desktop CPU out of their ass then Intel would suddenly find some extra performance.

I'm feeling rather disillusioned about desktop computing. Both CPU's and GPU's aren't really making the gains they used to. I'm a very sad panda.

Amen.

I'd consider myself a Intel Fanboi so to speak.
...a fanboi of the juggernaught.

What happens however when something no longer is a juggernaught?

What happens when your favorite team - sells half their players and starts playing a demoralizing boring way - but still winning by the thinnest margins?


Intel needs to deliver at minimum 15 to 20% raw IPC for each uARCH - including some major other new features or bumps as a whole.


There's a big cost to being my colour of choice - when your Intel's size.
...and i'm afraid they're not that interested in me anymore :C

 

[Vesku]

Probably means consumer DDR4 not until 2015, as well. APUs could really use that extra bandwidth, not much point of moving beyond 512 GCN cores for AMD and Intel had to go to eDRAM for its top end Haswell graphics.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Intel needs to deliver at minimum 15 to 20% raw IPC for each uARCH - including some major other new features or bumps as a whole.

I dont think you know how hard it is to extract higher IPC without new instructions. And all you seem to look at is legacy code.

 

[inf64]

I dont think you know how hard it is to extract higher IPC without new instructions. And all you seem to look at is legacy code.

It is extremely hard and will be even harder in the future. Especially when you have such a high IPC design to begin with (3rd gen i7).

 

[MisterMac]

I dont think you know how hard it is to extract higher IPC without new instructions. And all you seem to look at is legacy code.

Buuhuu, it's hard.

With Intel's position - it should be a mantra besides keeping their margins in check.


Haswell would be a crazy motherbomb - if they saved off the iGPU crap on the highend mainstream models in trade for 2 extra cores.
Hell maybe even 1.

Now it's a decent thing - on the low end of what i expected.
But still decent and enough for me.


I demand more however in the bigger picture - from someone in Intel's position.
And i'm worried that Haswell is the beginning of worse and worse returns - due to tradeoffs with perf\watt.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Buuhuu, it's hard.

With Intel's position - it should be a mantra besides keeping their margins in check.


Haswell would be a crazy motherbomb - if they saved off the iGPU crap on the highend mainstream models in trade for 2 extra cores.
Hell maybe even 1.

Now it's a decent thing - on the low end of what i expected.
But still decent and enough for me.


I demand more however in the bigger picture - from someone in Intel's position.
And i'm worried that Haswell is the beginning of worse and worse returns - due to tradeoffs with perf\watt.

Adding cores for no usage doesnt help anything either if not used. Just buy LGA2011 if you want more than 4 on the Intel platform.

AMD seems to go the same way and scale back from 4 to 2 modules with SR as max. Since APUs will replace AM3+ in the 1P server segment.

We had the frequency race, we had the more cores race. And now we got the IGP race combined with eco friendly power consumption development.

 

[NTMBK]

I dont think you know how hard it is to extract higher IPC without new instructions. And all you seem to look at is legacy code.

Intel could have delivered consistently higher IPC by putting the massive eDRAM cache on every Haswell, not just GT3e. But they didn't because they like segmentation and margins.