Intels in trouble..

[Fx1]

So intel is getting killed in mobile also desktops and laptops are in decline...

Gaming PC's are growing and intel just let AMD put a 8 core x86 64 bit CPU inside every Sony and MS console...

Does anyone else see that this is going to hurt intel when every game under development from 2013 onward is going to be coded for AMD CPU's and GPU's

We have seen just how much difference in FPS there is when you code for AMD or Nvidia bias. In Dirt a 7970 can match a Nvidia Titan!

I wonder if this same bias can be had when coding for the CPU also? Game developers are about to become VERY friendly with AMD architecture for both CPU & GPU..

I really hope this does help AMD because everyone wins when intel gets owned like the days of P4.

AMD has 8 core parts on the market today and intel wants you to pay for hexacore CPU's for its weight in gold..

Find something more meaningful to discuss. This thread is an embarrassment.

-ViRGE

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I bet every executive at AMD today wishes they were in as much "trouble" as Intel is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad AMD is getting a few wins under its belt. Competition is good. But all this really represents is David getting up off the mat -- Goliath is still doing just fine.

 

[zsdersw]

I bet every executive at AMD today wishes they were in as much "trouble" as Intel is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad AMD is getting a few wins under its belt. Competition is good. But all this really represents is David getting up off the mat -- Goliath is still doing just fine.

Shh... don't bring facts into the OP's AMD worship.

 

[Fx1]

I bet every executive at AMD today wishes they were in as much "trouble" as Intel is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad AMD is getting a few wins under its belt. Competition is good. But all this really represents is David getting up off the mat -- Goliath is still doing just fine.

im not talking about today, im talking about the next 2-7 years. Tablets are killing cheap laptop sales and desktops are in decline unless you look at Gaming PC's on their own. Intel doesnt have a decent smartphone chip.. Qualcomm just dropped the Snapdragon 600 which has 3x the performance of my S4 Pro in Quadrant...

Intels profits are pretty much based on being able to extort silly money for its CPU's from its customers. The ONLY thing that helps intel is that ARM didnt put its chips in the PS3 and Xbox. Because that company has money in the bank unlike AMD

 

[Fx1]

Shh... don't bring facts into the OP's AMD worship.

i dont own an AMD CPU. Dont jump to the fanboy defence when you have nothing intelliegent to add

 

[podspi]

I think the industry is changing, but I'd say Intel is navigating that change better than AMD is.

I do agree the console wins are a good thing for AMD (any sale is). One thing I do wonder about, are optimizations for Jaguar going to do any good for Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller? It would seem to me that they are very different beasts.

 

[FridayThe13th]

So intel is getting killed in mobile also desktops and laptops are in decline...

Gaming PC's are growing and intel just let AMD put a 8 core x86 64 bit CPU inside every Sony and MS console...

Does anyone else see that this is going to hurt intel when every game under development from 2013 onward is going to be coded for AMD CPU's and GPU's

We have seen just how much difference in FPS there is when you code for AMD or Nvidia bias. In Dirt a 7970 can match a Nvidia Titan!

I wonder if this same bias can be had when coding for the CPU also? Game developers are about to become VERY friendly with AMD architecture for both CPU & GPU..

I really hope this does help AMD because everyone wins when intel gets owned like the days of P4.

AMD has 8 core parts on the market today and intel wants you to pay for hexacore CPU's for its weight in gold..

Two things

Does anyone else see that this is going to hurt intel when every game under development from 2013 onward is going to be coded for AMD CPU's and GPU's

It's going to hurt more when i7 outperforms them still and why would you compare a console game to computer game?

Do you think game developers are blind in just coding for the front running console when every other machine is backed by the "competitor" ?

 

[slayernine]

Well I suspect AMD is literally whoring themselves out to console manufactures to get their product in these new consoles. While it is fantastic to have their chip in the new PS4 and possibly the Xbox 720 I doubt they will see much profit from the deals. If these consoles prove successful and perform well it could really help improve their market position.

You've got to wonder what goes on behind closed doors when companies are trying to get their chip into a console that will sell millions and influence the entire direction of the market. I wonder if NVIDIA tried to sell a beefed up Tegra to Sony and Microsoft but just failed and is taking all their efforts and pouring them into competing products like the Shield device and Android tablets. They've been making Android processors for awhile now but any effort to get into next gen consoles would have started years ago around the time Tegra was first introduced.

I somewhat doubt Intel has a strong interest in the console market, they love high margin business and even shy away from competing in the very low end of the x86 market.

I think that AMD will be in a strong position if their GPU is in either of the new consoles. This will mean games will be AMD CPU and GPU optimized before they even get ported to PC. This will lead to better benchmark results with less effort on AMD's part.

 

[FridayThe13th]

im not talking about today, im talking about the next 2-7 years. Tablets are killing cheap laptop sales and desktops are in decline unless you look at Gaming PC's on their own. Intel doesnt have a decent smartphone chip.. Qualcomm just dropped the Snapdragon 600 which has 3x the performance of my S4 Pro in Quadrant...

Intels profits are pretty much based on being able to extort silly money for its CPU's from its customers. The ONLY thing that helps intel is that ARM didnt put its chips in the PS3 and Xbox. Because that company has money in the bank unlike AMD

Is this guy serious?

So in 2-7 years, intel is going to sit and wait to watch amd make power moves?

Do you think a smartphone chip is what makes or breaks the company? People who buy smartphones dont even know what chip is in them at least %90 don't why invest into a blind mans market?

 

[Ferzerp]

Forum reader logic.

Healthy company making a profit is "in trouble"
Company hemorrhaging cash and far in the red is the strong one....

The FUD is strong with this troll thread.

 

[Kingbee13]

Combined the Xbox 360 and PS3 sold about 150 million, Intel ships way more PCs every single quarter much less over the greater part of a decade. In As mobile I expect Intel will dominate tablets before long; as to the AMD optimization, its hard to optimize past such a steep ipc advantage. So no I'm not ready to start writing Intel's obituary just yet..

 

[tweakboy]

Wait til Ivy Bridge E comes out in August and whip any desktop. 6 to 8 core plus HT and Xeon EP line is 10 and 12 cores.. gl

Ill gladly take a 8 core 16 threads.. wowzers!!!!!!!

 

[FridayThe13th]

Combined the Xbox 360 and PS3 sold about 150 million, Intel ships way more PCs every single quarter much less over the greater part of a decade. In As mobile I expect Intel will dominate tablets before long; as to the AMD optimization, its hard to optimize past such a steep ipc advantage. So no I'm not ready to start writing Intel's obituary just yet..

Agreed, seems the OP defied the logic of common sense to where we know what AMD is doing, but we dont know what INTEL is doing.
Therefore AMD has to be doing better because INTEL isnt showing their power move yet.

 

[slayernine]

im not talking about today, im talking about the next 2-7 years. Tablets are killing cheap laptop sales and desktops are in decline unless you look at Gaming PC's on their own. Intel doesnt have a decent smartphone chip.. Qualcomm just dropped the Snapdragon 600 which has 3x the performance of my S4 Pro in Quadrant...

Intels profits are pretty much based on being able to extort silly money for its CPU's from its customers. The ONLY thing that helps intel is that ARM didnt put its chips in the PS3 and Xbox. Because that company has money in the bank unlike AMD

I don't think this will really hurt Intel, their processors inherently perform better and do more per cycle because of a stronger architecture and a small process compared to AMD.

As I already stated, the only loser in this next generation is NVIDIA who seems to be betting their money on the wrong horse. Android tablets are great, I have a Nexus 7 and I love playing old games via emulators but it just doesn't compete with a modern console. Project shield is neat but the novelty won't sell millions. The PC market will see more games optomized for AMD products and NVIDIA will be pouting when they see what seem like biased benchmarks.

 

[Fx1]

Is this guy serious?

So in 2-7 years, intel is going to sit and wait to watch amd make power moves?

Do you think a smartphone chip is what makes or breaks the company? People who buy smartphones dont even know what chip is in them at least %90 don't why invest into a blind mans market?

Are you Serious?

Intel JUST watched AMD make a power move! Its about to control the direction of the Gaming industry in 1 move. I bet AMD will make money just like how ARM makes money also. It not going to be intel kind of profit but the halo benefits about to pay dividends for AMD in the GPU and CPU market.

Also Qualcomm has a Market Cap of 111bln vs intels 100bln so im guessing they are also a real threat to intel.

 

[Fx1]

Agreed, seems the OP defied the logic of common sense to where we know what AMD is doing, but we dont know what INTEL is doing.
Therefore AMD has to be doing better because INTEL isnt showing their power move yet.

intel is shrinking power useage. Thats it. Haswell is going to be a bust for the gaming market and the desktop market as a whole and IPC wont really move much either. When was the last Intel Powermove? Conroe? Nehalem?

 

[IntelEnthusiast]

Lets see for Q4/12 We reported 2.5 billion in profit. I dont know about the rest of you but it seems to me that we are doing OK.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

im not talking about today, im talking about the next 2-7 years.

So am I.

Intel has challenges in the next few years, but they're not from AMD.

AMD will be doing well if it still exists in five years, much less taking on Intel.

 

[FridayThe13th]

Are you Serious?

Intel JUST watched AMD make a power move! Its about to control the direction of the Gaming industry in 1 move. I bet AMD will make money just like how ARM makes money also. It not going to be intel kind of profit but the halo benefits about to pay dividends for AMD in the GPU and CPU market.

Also Qualcomm has a Market Cap of 111bln vs intels 100bln so im guessing they are also a real threat to intel.

Some people really need help..... So intel saw AMD pull a power move which is probably the only move they can afford to do to make money.

Now intel which has various power moves saved, gets to decide how they will crush amd again.

You really should google "critical thinking"... In poker, when you show you fold, I know you have a bad hand and would lose, when you bluff, i get to find out , AMD is bluffing, theyre trying to not fail, pretty simple

I don't think this will really hurt Intel, their processors inherently perform better and do more per cycle because of a stronger architecture and a small process compared to AMD.

As I already stated, the only loser in this next generation is NVIDIA who seems to be betting their money on the wrong horse. Android tablets are great, I have a Nexus 7 and I love playing old games via emulators but it just doesn't compete with a modern console. Project shield is neat but the novelty won't sell millions. The PC market will see more games optomized for AMD products and NVIDIA will be pouting when they see what seem like biased benchmarks.

i was quoting the original poster, did you not see that's what he said?

Lets see for Q4/12 We reported 2.5 billion in profit. I dont know about the rest of you but it seems to me that we are doing OK.

agreed. @OP you should argue with every other person in this thread who has given you the common sense reasoning of why Intel is doing better, why they will do better, and why AMD is doing bad.

It's pretty simple but im not sure why you can't figure it out on your own, must be reading too many amd blogs or something

intel is shrinking power useage. Thats it. Haswell is going to be a bust for the gaming market and the desktop market as a whole and IPC wont really move much either. When was the last Intel Powermove? Conroe? Nehalem?

this guy must be either delusional or a troll

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Intel's roadmap calls for shipping 14nm product in 2014.

AMD's roadmap says they'll still be at 28nm.

If I'm an Intel executive, I'm not exactly shaking in my boots if that happens.

One other thing -- you're focusing on tablets and gaming PCs and ignoring a big part of the market. AMD has been absolutely decimated in the server area, where Intel makes a big percentage of its profits.

This is all not to say AMD can't succeed, and I hope they do. But "Intel in trouble"? Please.

 

[slayernine]

Combined the Xbox 360 and PS3 sold about 150 million, Intel ships way more PCs every single quarter much less over the greater part of a decade. In As mobile I expect Intel will dominate tablets before long; as to the AMD optimization, its hard to optimize past such a steep ipc advantage. So no I'm not ready to start writing Intel's obituary just yet..

I completely agree, over the next couple years I expect Intel to take over the tablet market with low power, high efficiency x86 processors. A well designed x86 chip destroys ARM processors head-to-head. Once people see real speed on a tablet they will hunger for Intel.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Are you Serious?

Intel JUST watched AMD make a power move! Its about to control the direction of the Gaming industry in 1 move. I bet AMD will make money just like how ARM makes money also. It not going to be intel kind of profit but the halo benefits about to pay dividends for AMD in the GPU and CPU market.

Also Qualcomm has a Market Cap of 111bln vs intels 100bln so im guessing they are also a real threat to intel.

A few flaws in your "predictions".

Qualcomm currently only lives on the canibalizing of other ARM makers. ARM as a segment went backwards, just as x86. And it declined at about the same rate.
Qualcomm is currently a very overvalued company. We saw the same happen to Apple.

Consoles are the lowest of the lowest in terms of revenue and profit for component suppliers. Even if you count all console CPUs, AMD couldnt even reach their 2012 Q1 shipments. Seems you forgot to check how many consoles actually gets shipped.

AMD in the discrete graphics segment is down to 1/3rd. Consoles dont change that. And in terms of gaming, AMD fights nVidia, not Intel.

Desktop keeps declining in favour of laptops. That hurt AMD more than Intel. Since a larger share of AMDs shipment is desktop CPUs.

 

[zsdersw]

i dont own an AMD CPU. Dont jump to the fanboy defence when you have nothing intelliegent to add

You don't have to own an AMD CPU to be a fanatic. I don't have to respond intelligently to what was never intelligent to begin with.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You don't have to own an AMD CPU to be a fanatic. I don't have to respond intelligently to what was never intelligent to begin with.

No, but you should be aware that the mods take a dim view of "fanboy" accusations in this room.

 

[slayernine]

i was quoting the original poster, did you not see that's what he said?
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Yeah, I agree with you about Intel. I meant to quote the other guy not your post...


edit: I fixed the other quote now...