Intellectual capability of career welfare individuals

[OILFIELDTRASH]

As someone that sees the guilt that people go through, the last thing your average welfare recipient wants is the stigma for being a parasite hanging over their heads.

It literally is like admitting you have herpes.

This does not even make sense to assume people on welfare are on the take.


It just goes to show the lack of character of the one making broad unrealistic assumptions about others motives. Or to assume someone would be that sociopath to have no caring for others or their own self-image.

A rather cowardly strategy at that, -kicking one when they are down. This is how the weak fight, someone with a position of strength can rise above.

This is why the elites USED to raise their children to be "gentleman" (just because you CAN exploit does not mean it is civilized or good for the long term)

Nowadays the name of the game is "I got mine F-you." How sad these people are in here day after day showing their true colors..

Degenerate Animals, but I just call em reactionaries, it's a lot less insulting to our furry comrades who want no part in our self-destructive dramas.

On the flipside, we have this planet rigged to explode multiple times over in our arrogance. Maybe our greed will win over everything.

That'll show them! Humanity was just out for free shit anyhow, and all those animals too wanting free food. Hell, proto-planetary disks are mooching hard earned nebula dust...uh oh! Nuke the whole socialist universe!!

Ok, I am getting Carl Sagan silly. Peace.

Did they feel guilty enough to stop accepting the food stamps/welfare?

Didn't think so

 

[Steeplerot]

Did they feel guilty enough to stop accepting the food stamps/welfare?

Didn't think so

Most do not linger, it is most of the time more of a PIA to be on welfare then to just go get work.

This is why real life fraud figures are so low (far less then 1%), criminals want EASY money.

Collecting welfare is massively intrusive to ones personal business (we know everything you have in the bank and what assets you own, where you have worked -your whole life!)

We collect fingerprints, have your plate #s on any vehicles, we track what you buy with the money even.

Sorry, but the right wing meme of the welfare queen is just that -a urban myth

BUT, the myth does provide a vehicle to generalize the poor and minorities as moochers.

This is what it is all about. Just another racism dog-whistle playing off others paranoia and resentment of others of colors getting a leg up possibly at *gasp* their own expense.

Its a entitlement trip, as if each man was a self-made island to itself with a perfect life with no unforeseen circumstances. -This is sociopathic, and the sign of a damaged person -or one with no life experience listening to others who have an agenda of their own.

 

[CPA]

They would recall the elected representatives that took away the benefits and elect any politician that promises to restore them.

More likely, they would call the local media outlets so they can get their crying faces on tv.

 

[Throckmorton]

Welfare benefits decrease by 20% each year. You can't be on welfare your whole life.

 

[CPA]

This is our problem in a nutshell. All our spending has constituencies, except maybe foreign aid. Almost every constituency is in favor of increasing its own spending but cutting most others, whether it's personal welfare, corporate welfare, defense spending, or whatever.

I disagree with the bold. Jews would probably go nuts if we cut off Isreal or funnelled billions to Iran. And just over the weekend, Hollywood elite were praising Bush's efforts in Africa.

 

[nehalem256]

Welfare benefits decrease by 20% each year. You can't be on welfare your whole life.

But what about things like EITC, EBT, Section 8, etc...

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Most do not linger, it is most of the time more of a PIA to be on welfare then to just go get work.

This is why real life fraud figures are so low (far less then 1%), criminals want EASY money.

Collecting welfare is massively intrusive to ones personal business (we know everything you have in the bank and what assets you own, where you have worked -your whole life!)

We collect fingerprints, have your plate #s on any vehicles, we track what you buy with the money even.

Sorry, but the right wing meme of the welfare queen is just that -a urban myth

BUT, the myth does provide a vehicle to generalize the poor and minorities as moochers.

This is what it is all about. Just another racism dog-whistle playing off others paranoia and resentment of others of colors getting a leg up possibly at *gasp* someone elses expense.

The only people you guys harass are the people that legitimately need it. I've known a couple guys just as healthy as you or me that the state paid a monthly check to because they we're not mentally stable to work or some BS. Dudes sat around all day and smoked weed. I've also seen guys that didn't even legally come into this country get paychecks and collect food stamps. If you work for the govt you know the crooked BS that goes on everyday so give me this 1% crap. I was literally floored at the fact a guy could get a legit paycheck and get govt assistance and im sure free healthcare without even being a citizen.

 

[CPA]

People died of starvation left and right before we started welfare and social security. Tuesday was garbage day, and Wednesday was dead people pickup day, because we couldn't afford to feed the elderly or unemployed.

Do you really want to go back to that?

lol, wut? No they didn't, even during the depression people weren't dying left and right.

What happened was the liberal mantra of "voting for your self interest". Hell, Truman ran on that platform and from his election we started getting all kinds of welfare programs. Then it spiraled out of control from there.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

lol, wut? No they didn't, even during the depression people weren't dying left and right.

What happened was the liberal mantra of "voting for your self interest". Hell, Truman ran on that platform and from his election we started getting all kinds of welfare programs. Then it spiraled out of control from there.

lol! You don't remember dead people pickup day? You throw the body in the blue bin. Trash in the black bin.

 

[momeNt]

lol, wut? No they didn't, even during the depression people weren't dying left and right.

What happened was the liberal mantra of "voting for your self interest". Hell, Truman ran on that platform and from his election we started getting all kinds of welfare programs. Then it spiraled out of control from there.

If they didn't then why do we have these programs now? Have I been lied to?

 

[Infohawk]

lol, wut? No they didn't, even during the depression people weren't dying left and right.

What happened was the liberal mantra of "voting for your self interest". Hell, Truman ran on that platform and from his election we started getting all kinds of welfare programs. Then it spiraled out of control from there.

If they didn't then why do we have these programs now? Have I been lied to?

It's hard to look at starvation directly because people are likely to die of something else before they starve (disease, accident). It's not clear that mortality did rise during the great depression though. But even this doesn't say much because clearly the government started to get involved. I think it's very safe to say that people suffered more during the Great Depression than during adjacent decades.

 

[Texashiker]

It's hard to look at starvation directly because people are likely to die of something else before they starve (disease, accident).

Lets add suicide to that list.

 

[CountZero]

This morning I posted a thread in off topic about my chicken pecked my hand.
Where does this leave people who bring crime, drugs and violence into poverty ridden areas? Are those people unable to comprehend what would happen if the government stopped providing those benefits?

I don't know if you have ever lived in a ghetto area. I have but thankfully it was only a brief stay.

I was pretty young but what was obvious was that the people that had money, the starter jackets and nikes (it was the 90s what can I say) were all involved in gangs and drugs. So from the get go when you are in school you see a path to success (assuming success is just money which for a kid it pretty much is) right there in front of you. In addition to the money these guys had they also had some level of respect. No one messed with members of either of the two big gangs (aside from when they beat the crap out of each other which was relatively rare) but if you weren't affiliated with either you were free game for the predators. Who is free game in this situation? The person putting their head down and trying to do well, to better themselves and ignore the 'easy road'.

As for taking away the benefits, the thugs don't care, they probably don't get benefits anyways. Maybe their parents do but that isn't their concern.

I'm not excusing the violence, gangs and drugs but to understand why it stays and spreads in poor areas isn't hard. The gang members live like kings (relatively speaking) and the folks trying to do right might end up failing to break out anyways.

 

[Paul98]

This morning I posted a thread in off topic about my chicken pecked my hand.

As I was making the post, I started thinking about the chicken that pecked my hand, and people who make a career out of welfare.

I bought the chick when it was a couple of days old. For the past 5 months I have fed, watered, protected, and even built the chickens (13 chickens in all) a nice coop with an enclosed run.

The way I treated my chickens is "about" the same way the government treats those on welfare. The government feeds, protects and gives welfare recipients a place to live.

Instead of appreciating what has been given to them, both the chickens and the welfare recipients pecks the hand that feeds it.

There is a reason why chickens are called bird brained. They can not comprehend anything outside of their natural instincts.

Where does this leave people who bring crime, drugs and violence into poverty ridden areas? Are those people unable to comprehend what would happen if the government stopped providing those benefits?

When I was closing the coop up, it was right at dark. The chickens were starting to get into the roost and settle down for the night. I took the chicken that pecked at my hand, set it outside the coop on the ground. The chicken did not know what to do. It was on the ground when it knew it was supposed to be in the roost, and it was away from its friends. The chicken just stood there. I picked the chicken up and placed it back into the coop.

What would happen if the government suddenly withdrew welfare benefits? How would the people react that know no other way of life?

Seriously you are trying to compare chickens to people??? Mental capacity, instinct, learned behavior,... it's nothing similar.

Do you want to know how people would react? they would be very angry, many people would live on the street, starve, look for assistance from others,... there would be a large verity of outcomes depending on the people.

This has nothing to do with your chickens and isn't reasonable to compare them. Just like most analogies it just adds confusion, and removes the real argument you want to make.

 

[Texashiker]

Seriously you are trying to compare chickens to people??? Mental capacity, instinct, learned behavior,... it's nothing similar.

This has nothing to do with your chickens and isn't reasonable to compare them.

Its not a direct comparison, but rather a comparison of behavior.

The opening post was supposed to make the reader think, and stir emotions. Since you took the time to reply, my goal was accomplished.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I've known a number of people who think welfare is just fine and never intend to find a job.

Something needs to be done, but I don't know what.

I've known a number of people who refused to go onto welfare until they were desperate and spent every waking moment of their life trying to get off.

I'm pretty sure that number is higher that your number. And if you come back with a bigger number, mine will be even bigger still!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

The only people you guys harass are the people that legitimately need it. I've known a couple guys just as healthy as you or me that the state paid a monthly check to because they we're not mentally stable to work or some BS. Dudes sat around all day and smoked weed. I've also seen guys that didn't even legally come into this country get paychecks and collect food stamps. If you work for the govt you know the crooked BS that goes on everyday so give me this 1% crap. I was literally floored at the fact a guy could get a legit paycheck and get govt assistance and im sure free healthcare without even being a citizen.

And my number will definately be higher than yours. Infinitely higher.

 

[Texashiker]

I've known a number of people who refused to go onto welfare until they were desperate and spent every waking moment of their life trying to get off.

I'm pretty sure that number is higher that your number. And if you come back with a bigger number, mine will be even bigger still!

Over the past decade there seems to have been a shift.

This is speaking in generalization.

<1990s, people were embarrassed to be on welfare

>2000s, people seem to have no issue with receiving social assistance.

As economic times get tougher, people are going to be more willing to receive assistance.

But then again, this thread is not about people who need a helping hand, its about people who make welfare a way of life.

 

[Infohawk]

>2000s, people seem to have no issue with receiving social assistance.

What is your evidence for that? Of course people are willing to receive assistance when they have to, but I don't buy that a significant portion of people would not prefer to have a job that could support them and their family.

 

[Texashiker]

What is your evidence for that?

No evidence, just my personal observations.

 

[jackschmittusa]

MooseNSquirrel

All I said was that there was a problem with a number of people I've met over the years. They need to be kicked off. But the programs need to be there for those that need it as a temporary measure. And what do you do about the kids of the ones that need to be kicked off? I've probably thought of this off and on for 30 years (since I started to meet people that accept welfare as a lifestyle), and I still can't find an equitable way to do it. I keep hoping someone will pop up with an idea that has the potential to work and would be reasonably easy to implement.

 

[Jhhnn]

This morning I posted a thread in off topic about my chicken pecked my hand.

As I was making the post, I started thinking about the chicken that pecked my hand, and people who make a career out of welfare.

I bought the chick when it was a couple of days old. For the past 5 months I have fed, watered, protected, and even built the chickens (13 chickens in all) a nice coop with an enclosed run.

The way I treated my chickens is "about" the same way the government treats those on welfare. The government feeds, protects and gives welfare recipients a place to live.

Instead of appreciating what has been given to them, both the chickens and the welfare recipients pecks the hand that feeds it.

There is a reason why chickens are called bird brained. They can not comprehend anything outside of their natural instincts.

Where does this leave people who bring crime, drugs and violence into poverty ridden areas? Are those people unable to comprehend what would happen if the government stopped providing those benefits?

When I was closing the coop up, it was right at dark. The chickens were starting to get into the roost and settle down for the night. I took the chicken that pecked at my hand, set it outside the coop on the ground. The chicken did not know what to do. It was on the ground when it knew it was supposed to be in the roost, and it was away from its friends. The chicken just stood there. I picked the chicken up and placed it back into the coop.

What would happen if the government suddenly withdrew welfare benefits? How would the people react that know no other way of life?

I take this isn't a rant about Red State Welfare, where whole swaths of rightwing America bite the hand that feeds them...

 

[nehalem256]

MooseNSquirrel

All I said was that there was a problem with a number of people I've met over the years. They need to be kicked off. But the programs need to be there for those that need it as a temporary measure. And what do you do about the kids of the ones that need to be kicked off? I've probably thought of this off and on for 30 years (since I started to meet people that accept welfare as a lifestyle), and I still can't find an equitable way to do it. I keep hoping someone will pop up with an idea that has the potential to work and would be reasonably easy to implement.

The root cause is people having children they cannot afford. It would seem the solution to this problem is obvious.

 

[cybrsage]

I disagree with the bold. Jews would probably go nuts if we cut off Isreal or funnelled billions to Iran. And just over the weekend, Hollywood elite were praising Bush's efforts in Africa.

Christians would go nuts too...and everyone would go nuts if we funnelled billions to a nation which actively says they hate us.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Im literally being raped

Somehow I doubt this.