Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[CatMerc]

There is a definite weakness to some parts of the lineup that AMD can exploit with targeted price cuts and bringing attention to B350 vs Z370 pricing.
Pinnacle Ridge needs to come quickly for the sake of AMD's margins though, I doubt they want to sell an 8 core for 250-300 dollars this soon.

 

[Bouowmx]

No idea if that is true or not, but part of me has thought that supply of the new chips isn't going to be great (at least at first) and that is a big part of the new motherboard requirement. Intel gets their good list prices (and they look pretty good to me!) but they still get more money because you're forced to buy a high end board (are there any plans to release lower end boards? I haven't heard any) This lets you brag about the cpu cost but the platform cost makes up the difference to some extent and manages supply in a way.

I can't find much on the boards yet, here's a leak of pre-order pricing for asus where the cheapest is $135.
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/71bncn/asus_z370_motherboards_preorder_pricing_us/

Z270 has a range, from 100 USD: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#xcx=0&c=119&sort=price&page=1
Implying Z370 will also have a similar range of price points.

If you read 8th generation product overview, you will see:
1H 2018
Commercial and Broad Consumer Processors

Coinciding with leaks of Cannon Lake PCH coming 2018.

 

[beginner99]

There is a definite weakness to some parts of the lineup that AMD can exploit with targeted price cuts and bringing attention to B350 vs Z370 pricing.
Pinnacle Ridge needs to come quickly for the sake of AMD's margins though, I doubt they want to sell an 8 core for 250-300 dollars this soon.

I think AMD has the upper hand. Do you game at 1080p 120+ hz? Buy intel top dog 8600k/8700k (or 7700k before) else get an R5 1600(x) because it's cheaper especially including mobo udn unlocked compared to i5 8400.
Simple formula for the common gaming crowd.

 

[PeterScott]

I think AMD has the upper hand. Do you game at 1080p 120+ hz? Buy intel top dog 8600k/8700k (or 7700k before) else get an R5 1600(x) because it's cheaper especially including mobo udn unlocked compared to i5 8400.
Simple formula for the common gaming crowd.

I think the upper hand evaporates with Coffee Lake. AMD just got a pile of serious competition against it's best bang/buck price points.

R7 1700 vs i7 8700K
R5 1600 vs i5 8600K

Both Coffee Lake K processors are within $50 and unlocked. That's against AMDs best deals (forget the X processors, which are largely just more money for nothing).

On the more budget quad core side, the $117 i3-8100 pretty much kills any point of getting an AMD Ryzen Quad.

I'll be looking mostly at 1600 vs 8600K, and leaning towards Intel for greater stability (less issues with memory etc...) and feature extras (like Thunderbolt).

It's the most competitive it has been in over a decade, and you can make a case for going for either AMD, or Intel.

 

[Glo.]

I think everybody is forgetting about one important aspect. Where Intel has absolutely clear advantage over AMD is with 35W TDP CPUs. AMD does not offer anything in this performance segment. And Intel will most likely offer both: 4C, and 6C versions of their CPUs locked in 35W TDP thermal design, at the same prices, as their "nomenclature siblings".

I was considering going for 4C/4T, 35W TDP CPU, but if 8400T/8500T will give me 6C/6T and high enough clock speeds at good price point, I may take a shot at it, if ASRock will also bring H370 mITX motherboard with those CPUs(Early 2018).

Also I have 3000 MHz/CL 16 Trident Z RGB RAM. Is it OK to run it at 2666 MHz, and CL13, on a H270 MoBo? I am asking this, because if there is no problem at all with that MoBo there will not be a problem with X3XX MoBos.

 

[Qwertilot]

To be fair, that is mostly because AMD haven't released a 35/45w SKU yet - as I remember there's every reason to expect that it would do quite well?

I guess that if this is some sort of short lived/emergency (due to 10nm going missing on leave) production Intel might not bother with the T variants.

 

[Glo.]

I guess that if this is some sort of short lived/emergency (due to 10nm going missing on leave) production Intel might not bother with the T variants.

It looks like there will be 35W TDP SKUs .

 

[Arachnotronic]

It looks like there will be 35W TDP SKUs .

The 35W TDP, vPro, etc. SKUs come next year with the rest of the 300-series chipsets.

 

[Glo.]

The 35W TDP, vPro, etc. SKUs come next year with the rest of the 300-series chipsets.

Yes, I know and that Is what I wrote in the first post .

 

[Qwertilot]

Grand I like the 35W SKU's much more than the K's. Their recent chips are just so much more energy efficient at those sorts of clocks/power draw & surely more than fast enough for nearly anyone.

 

[Dribble]

To be fair, that is mostly because AMD haven't released a 35/45w SKU yet - as I remember there's every reason to expect that it would do quite well?

I guess that if this is some sort of short lived/emergency (due to 10nm going missing on leave) production Intel might not bother with the T variants.

They can't do that till they have graphics, that right now is what is locking out AMD of more of the market then anything else.

 

[coercitiv]

AMD just got a pile of serious competition against it's best bang/buck price points.

Surprised to learn you did not consider Kaby Lake as serious competition.

 

[R0H1T]

They can't do that till they have graphics, that right now is what is locking out AMD of more of the market then anything else.

And we know how that debate will go once the APUs are out.

 

[Phynaz]

Time to lock this train wreck of a thread.

 

[dullard]

Time to lock this train wreck of a thread.

You mean that attempting to cover 3 generations of Intel CPUs (Skylake through Coffee Lake), using the codename rather than production name (to confuse new readers especially when the next two chips with Coffee Lake and Cannonlake are similar sounding and will be mixed together as 8th generation) and many levels of processors (from Celeron up to Xeon Phi), simply because they are nominally related to a base lithography size (which is an arbitrary, ill-defined size anyways), and sprinkling in numerous AMD off-topic posts might not be the best idea?

Good thing the next thread doesn't attempt to do the same. https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...re-rapid-thread.2509080/page-23#post-39083381
Oh wait, it does. Plus it starts with the first few pages being about Coffee Lake as it was our Coffee Lake thread originally.

 

[Bouowmx]

Puget Systems posted a bunch of articles about the familiar Intel Core i9-7980XE, 7960X,... and the 7940X! Comparisons to AMD Ryzen TR in various Adobe programs, V-Ray, KeyShot, and Maya. The Intel 7940X is on-par to or slightly better than the AMD Ryzen TR 1950X in the Puget Systems suite, except the non-scalable Adobe After Effects. And keep in mind the Intel 7940X 3.8 GHz stock all-core Turbo vs 4.3 GHz via Multi-core enhancement.

 

[Zucker2k]

Puget Systems posted a bunch of articles about the familiar Intel Core i9-7980XE, 7960X,... and the 7940X! Comparisons to AMD Ryzen TR in various Adobe programs, V-Ray, KeyShot, and Maya. The Intel 7940X is on-par to or slightly better than the AMD Ryzen TR 1950X in the Puget Systems suite, except the non-scalable Adobe After Effects. And keep in mind the Intel 7940X 3.8 GHz stock all-core Turbo vs 4.3 GHz via Multi-core enhancement.

Edit: "Both sets of results are nearly identical in terms of relative CPU performance. Rendering in Arnold is a heavily threaded application, so there is a clear spread between the different processors based on core count. As shown in our last round of testing, AMD's 12-core 1920X ties Intel's 10-core i9 7900X. This time around, though, the 16-core 1950X is bested by the three new models from Intel - with the fastest 7980XE leading the AMD chip by over 20%. It also costs twice as much, but if you look at that additional $1000 in the scope of the whole system price (rather than focusing on the price of the CPUs themselves) it may be worthwhile for the increased performance."
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-14-16-and-18-core-Skylake-X-Processors-1045/

 

[beginner99]

Both Coffee Lake K processors are within $50 and unlocked. That's against AMDs best deals (forget the X processors, which are largely just more money for nothing).

Except Z370 motherboard adds another $50+ to total cost compared to B350

 

[Dayman1225]

https://videocardz.com/72976/intel-core-i7-8700k-official-performance

All scores seem to be at stock

 

[JoeRambo]

Are there any reviews that investigate memory speed scaling impact on those 18 core monsters? Quad channel is nice, but i think there is a reason why Intel went with 6 channels for server CPUs?

 

[PhonakV30]

https://videocardz.com/72976/intel-core-i7-8700k-official-performance

All scores seem to be at stock

It's not.
3.7 GHz Base
4.3 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.4 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.6 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.7 GHz 1-core Turbo

 

[Timmah!]

Does anyone know please, whether Seasonic X-series 750W Gold has 2 of those 8-pin CPU cables? I ordered today 7940x and Gigabyte Aorus 7, but if the PSU does not have those 2 cables, i might have as well go with Aorus 3 or any other single 8-pin board.

The other, more important thing, will that PSU suffice for that CPU? Stock clocks no doubts, but in case of overclocking - i would like to run it at least at 4,3.

 

[PeterScott]

Except Z370 motherboard adds another $50+ to total cost compared to B350

Well you are comparing the price of Intels top MB chipset against AMDs 2nd teir.

Though AMD does allow overclocking with 2nd tier which is nice.

 

[Dayman1225]

It's not.
3.7 GHz Base
4.3 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.4 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.6 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.7 GHz 1-core Turbo

Those are stock clocks/boosts, so what I said is correct

 

[Charlie22911]

In regards to 8700k vs 7800x and memory bandwidth, I'd think it easy to test the effect of memory bandwidth by simply populating only two channels.

I know broadwell-e isn't really comparable but I may do some quick tests anyway for my own edification...


Edited for clarity.